Isn't spirituality cheating?

[seeker5]

If we're put on this Earth in order to live life as a human being, and we purposely put a veil before we incarnate, isn't it kind of like cheating to keep remembering about spirituality and what comes next?

Life on Earth has been compared to a role playing game. However, when I play a game like civilization where you're the leader of a nation, I really like to get into the mindset and role as if I'm really a leader of a real nation interacting with other real nations. I don't want to be reminded that the opposing nations aren't real but simply computer players. Likewise, I don't like to engage in tactics that takes advantage of the fact it's computer player and this is a computer game, but I like to stay true to the idea of it being a real simulation.

I know it would do be good to really embrace spirituality a lot more in my life, to really absorb it so much. I can see that it would ease a number of my fears and make me calmer and more at peace. However, a huge part of me feels like this is cheating and I thought I'd start a thread to see if I can overcome this resistance in feeling this is cheating and breaking this simulation on Earth.

[yabadoo]

Why would it be cheating? For their to be cheating there has to be some goal, what is life's goal?

[bman]

you did NOT come here by choice.

You were tricked or trapped here to serve as a slave.

Until you learn you will always repeat the cycle of reincarnation.

[lasti]

Have you already read this post? Is it cheating if I get a psychic reading?

[Mynder]

bman, stop it already.

I have it on authority of a very close friends who has first-hand experience (plus, my own gut tells me the same thing) that having a choice or not about when or how to incarnate is simply a matter of how developed a soul is.

Young souls get "directed", and once they grow out of that, they start making their own decisions. It's really kind of the same way as with our own children.

Would you call parents "slavemongers"?

I guess I'll have to read your "Gods of Eden" after all, but I expect all it will do is make me very, very angry at the false, dangerous and hurtful lessons it supposedly teaches people.

[Rhythman]

Let's say there are three waking states:

1. Asleep while awake state- completely identified with ones thinking (i.e. I am my ego). Most people live like this.

2. Awake state - "Pure" Consciousness. Sense perceptions still arise but there is no an entity (or maybe just a small trace of on) experiencing them. This state is the goal of a lot of spiritual paths.

In the two examples above there is a world and humanness is experienced, just in different ways. You could say that the "Asleep while awake" and "Awake" person play different versions of the world/human simulation.

3. Absolute state - This is beyond all content. There is no trace of any entity. Pure silence. The "simulation" has ended.

So you can be "spiritual" and still play the simulation. The funny thing is, the more "spiritual" you are the more the world actually appears to be a simulation.

Rhythman

[Dimond]

No, since spirituality is the real world. The rest is what you should be questioning.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by seeker5

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I know it would do be good to really embrace spirituality a lot more in my life, to really absorb it so much. I can see that it would ease a number of my fears and make me calmer and more at peace. However, a huge part of me feels like this is cheating and I thought I'd start a thread to see if I can overcome this resistance in feeling this is cheating and breaking this simulation on Earth.

Remember Neo from The Matrix? What if he had decided that knowing the truth about the Matrix would be cheating?

A different point of view: consider spirituality an extension to the current game you are playing. What are the possibilities of using that extension? How would your life, and the life of people you love, be better?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by bman

you did NOT come here by choice.

You were tricked or trapped here to serve as a slave.

Until you learn you will always repeat the cycle of reincarnation.

What a depressing life it must be for you.. even though your words don't sound exactly angry.. they sure do hint at it.. must suck every day to live your life knowing others have power over you

Originally Posted by seeker5

If we're put on this Earth in order to live life as a human being, and we purposely put a veil before we incarnate, isn't it kind of like cheating to keep remembering about spirituality and what comes next?

You bring up a good question and interesting sync there seeker.. Why did we come to this reality to run around with our heads cut off cause we forgot the rules?? then seek the rules out??

The interesting truth to it all is.. there are many rules.. (models for how this reality works.. or spirituality if you will)

Scientists have their rules.. and whatever they don't know they shrug their shoulders and say.. how the f%$@ should I know?
Christians too..
Buddhists..

Basically any religion.. the only religion I've seen to answer all questions is "new age" and does require leaps of faith being positive.. saying.. "what could it hurt?"

As I see it.. I have attracted the rules into my life so I can accomplish a goal I would like to accomplish.. this goal in this reality compared to what you all want well looks complex or dream like.. but I think it can be done.. so I have created the knowledge of the rules for this reality to help myself get this goal.. and naturally since your projections in my reality.. your coming along for the ride.. "get in.. were gonna be late"

This is post 777

[Brown Eyed Mystic]

I guess I'll have to read your "Gods of Eden" after all, but I expect all it will do is make me very, very angry at the false, dangerous and hurtful lessons it supposedly teaches people.

Calm down Mynder like your usual self, I see what you mean, its okay

3. Absolute state - This is beyond all content. There is no trace of any entity. Pure silence. The "simulation" has ended.

Hmm..Rhythman, I always think how this one could be achieved in the current circumstances, the conditions, the environment (people, issues, restrictions, engraved beliefs amongts others etc) where we live in. Not to mean alienation should be the norm, but I can't know how else, atleast for now. But again, when you look at it, this very thing provides with sorta stepping stones...Pain can be a weapon, if we so choose to, eh..?

[Ariel Bravy]

There is a point in one's evolution where they may decide that they've had enough fun playing the game and are ready to fall back into what they really are and just be. It's not a rejection of the game, but finding oneself satisfied and no longer craving earthly stuff the way they once were.

If we were meant to stay "disconnected" from what we are, then I guess that would be cheating, but the era of humanity playing the disconnection game is coming to an end and a new game is arising, one of simultaneous unity and individuality, but without the degree of disconnection that was previously experienced.

Nothing's wrong with what's happening. All is exactly as it should be.

[yossarian]

It's not cheating because in the ultimate sense there are no rules. There are consequences, and there are best-practices, but these aren't the same as rules in a game.

You can treat life as an RPG and immerse yourself, or you can dispel the illusion and merge back with the creator. It is your choice and neither is forbidden.

[Rhythman]

Originally Posted by Brown Eyed Mystic

Hmm..Rhythman, I always think how this one could be achieved in the current circumstances, the conditions, the environment (people, issues, restrictions, engraved beliefs amongts others etc) where we live in. Not to mean alienation should be the norm, but I can't know how else, atleast for now. But again, when you look at it, this very thing provides with sorta stepping stones...Pain can be a weapon, if we so choose to, eh..?

Regarding going beyond all content (or "Absolute State"), continuously focusing on the background silence will take you there. Though you can continue functioning in that "state", I don't imagine it is practical for most people to stay there. Plus, if everyone stayed there, who would be left to spread the good news that such a place existed.

Rhythman

[Savage]

Spirituality isn't cheating because it too is just another layer of simulation, i.e. another frequency of experience.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by seeker5

If we're put on this Earth in order to live life as a human being, and we purposely put a veil before we incarnate, isn't it kind of like cheating to keep remembering about spirituality and what comes next?

I think the Whole Idea of creating the veil is to experience the joy of the unveiling.

The Human Game is like a giant game of peek-a-boo -- or a striptease!

[Mynder]

Interesting interpretation. But in a weird way, it makes really a lot of sense. Thanks, Angela.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

You're a spiritual being. The fact that you have a physical form is inconsequential. Denying that part of yourself renders you incomplete and makes life that much more difficult.

Of course, free will dictates that if you want the veil to stay in place there's no reason it can't. It doesn't have to; it's arguable that one of the reasons we're here is to learn how to see beyond it. That's a purpose the individual creates. From a spiritual perspective, the point of anything is the experience itself; an incarnate self is free to build on it, change it, or disregard it entirely.

[ethereal]

I think we chose to create the veil out of ignorance. The whole story of Adam and Eve, Eve ate the apple out of ignorance and naivete. If we really knew what this was about, we surely wouldn't have done it. The joy of unveiling doens't compare to the suffering veiling brings about in the first place, at least that's what I think

I don't believe it is cheating, since we created this game to begin with, and once you get bored of the game (i.e. suffering, that's what this game is really about), you set about to dis-create the game and return back to our pure Source. Playing the game as if it were real only serves to keep you enmeshed in it.

[Plays With Life]

Originally Posted by seeker5

If we're put on this Earth in order to live life as a human being, and we purposely put a veil before we incarnate, isn't it kind of like cheating to keep remembering about spirituality and what comes next?

I'm gonna tell on you !

I've been exploring the Desteni material. Check it out maybe. (on YouTube). The message goes - some darn devious folks designed the human body, and nature, and the whole time thing and everything we experience as a prison. Including the "dimensions" we go to afterwards, and the reincarnation process, and the ascension-enlightenment process (I could go on, but you get the picture). Bottom line, in this message - we DON'T choose to come here, some dog-gone nefarious folks manipulated us into it. We didn't choose to forget for our own enjoyment (these folks implanted that idea via channeled messages throughout history), the human body clamps down on our essence like a suit, against our will, and suddenly we've forgotten who we are and don't know why. Major bummer, I call it.

EDIT: So, in relation to your question: spirituality isn't cheating, but merely another distraction that leads, again, nowhere in the end. Designed by the puppetmasters to give the puppets a path to take. (in this model)

[Mynder]

Plays With Life, simply remember that what anybody tells you may just be what that entity considers beneficial to furthering its own ends.

Always listen inside, deeply inside, and find out what really rings "true" and helps you become something "more"...and which thoughts are only designed to make you angry and keep you where you are.

The best lie is the one covered with a mountain of truth.

[Plays With Life]

Mynder, remember I don't take orders from you about how to approach the world

[seeker5]

There's some great answers here! Thanks everyone, it's been helpful.

@Angela: Lol, I love your way of explaining spirituality as being equivalent to a striptease .

@Steve: Yeah, I had forgotten about subjective reality. In that sense, spirituality is a step in between the two.

After reading the responses in this thread, I realized the answer to the problem. As I mentioned in the op, in the computer game Civilization, I like to pretend I'm really the leader of a nation and that I'm competition against other real world countries. My goal is to win each game. However, there are times when I set the difficulty of the game to be quite challenging for me, or I set myself up in a situation that is hard to overcome. My skill levels aren't up to the tasks yet of being certain of succeeding. So at times, it creates an overwhelming situation and while I love a good challenge, if the situation seems hopeless or too overwhelming for me, the game can stress the hell out of me. Since I want to enjoy my experience in playing the game, when I realized I've become quite stressed in a bad way, I consciously step back and remind myself that this is just a game. I usually then manually shift my goal from outright victory, to simply making it a game of seeing how long I can survive against the onslaught and overwhelming odds. I figure I can have fun that way, and I'll get to learn something about playing at this higher level. So, with this shift in attitude, I go from being stressed and frustrated to having fun, being lighthearted and curious. More often then not with this shift in attitude and goal, not only does my "country" survive, but I can sometimes even manage to win against what seemed like overwhelming odds at first.

Therefore, because I can pull back occasionally in a computer game to view the reality (that I am a human being playing a game on a computer), I can shift my point of view and make the process of playing the game more fun - and ultimately, increase my skill at playing the game. I can always go back and totally submerge myself into the game, and then step out of it when need be.

So, taking the same analogy to real life, then that would mean that pulling back and viewing things from a spiritual sense, I could have more fun, and make my life much more effective.

Ok, I don't feel like spirituality is cheating anymore . In fact, spirituality now seems like a very vital process in order to play the game of life much more effectively and being able to submerge more successfully in it.

Ok, I'm up to continuing the striptease experience now of spiritual life .

Thanks everyone, you guys are awesome .

[Mynder]

Plays With Life,

feel free to take anything I say any way you like.

Just as my own view of things is limited by my surroundings and my beliefs, so is the view of any "higher" entity limited in some way by its own surroundings and beliefs.

My advice was simply to pick out what seems to serve you and further your own growth, and not let yourself get frightened into some limiting set of beliefs.

You are free to interpret and follow that in any way you wish to do (which may well be "not at all").

If you feel ordered around by my choice of words, I am sorry. Mostly for the failed opportunity to reach you in the way I hoped to do.

Cheers,
Eddy