Reincarnation & Karma vs. Subjective Reality

[sundance]

Can anyone reconcile/unify reincarnation vs. Subjective Reality?

In books such as Seth Speaks, and not to mention Buddhism, Edgar Cayce, Dr. Ian Stevenson etc., reincarnation is the process that we come to earth to learn our lessons. In addition, Karma is considered as an immutable law running through the process.

On the other hand, according to Steve's article http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ctive-reality/,

Subjective reality’s container is the ever-present awareness, the field of consciousness in which all of reality takes place.

This “reality” includes all thought and all of its manifestations, including the following: ideas, concepts, imagination, people, animals, plants, places, objects, events, circumstances, situations, relationships, beliefs, emotions, time (past, present, future), the afterlife, spirits, angels, etc.

This seems to suggest that reincarnation is merely a thought manifested by the consciousness itself? And how does Karma play out in Subjective Reality? Does it only take effect when you believe in it?



Is it possible to unify these two theories into one single framework, just like the unifying theory in Physics?

BTW, Seth Speaks does mention both reincarnation and some of the subjective reality concepts, e.g. how time is only a perceived notion in our current physical "reality".

[AAMM77]

Yes, these theories can pretty much be put in the same framework. You’ve indicated that you’ve read stuff like Seth and Cayce, but have you ever spent time with A Course in Miracles? I think A Course in Miracles manages to reconcile this issue. The view of the universe and existence I give on my own website, which is similar to A Course in Miracles, also reconciles this issue—so check it out. Basically, if you start from the subjective reality perspective and consider that there is really only one of us, then all other people and things are essentially reincarnations of your self. The classic idea of reincarnation just happens to attempt to trace in a linear way one incarnation to another. But in the grand scheme of things, everyone is a reincarnation of you (including me)--it’s just that it is nonlinear. We are dreaming up this universe because we are entertaining the idea of non-oneness or duality. Lost in the idea of dualism, we pretend that we are individuals separate from God/oneness and separate from our fellow selves that we make other and outer. And so, as long as we remain dualists and pretend we are special individuals we will reincarnate due to our karma. Karma is simply like a measure of the level of vehemence we put into maintaining our sense of individuality and separation. Anyway, explore my site and you’ll be able to see what I’m getting at here--this is actually something I’ll probably write an entire article on eventually so thanks for bringing up this question. All this stuff makes sense when you work from a coherent ground. And when you can make sense of it all, you’ll know you’ve found a coherent ground.

[Rocket Surgery]

Hi, Alex:

I just spent my entire morning reading your "beginner" articles on your site.

It does wonders for my self-realization-esteem to see what a genius I am, at least within the earth suit of one of my other avatars.

Not sure yet about ALL of your theories. Your concept of this "Oneness" consciousness sounds maddeningly dry -- as if we are all nothing more than meaningless dream by-products of the Oneness and Its simple little equation that jump-started duality.

However, I really relate to your basic concept. I coined the term "Cosmic Case of Multiple Personality Disorder" to describe a possible reason for duality's rise from Oneness.

Then again, I like to think that there is true purpose in this illusory dance we've created for ourselves. Your explanation -- so far -- seems to avoid discussing any actual purpose behind the creation of duality, and instead tries only to explain it as some sort of mistake, the purpose of which is for us to awaken from. Perhaps not your intent, but that's how this splinter is reading it.

I would also differ with you that all that we experience is in reality, nothing. For just as I find meaning within the dreams of my earthly avatar, surely there is meaning and purpose behind all the experiences I perceive within spacetime. It strikes me as completely illogical that this "supra-conscious" oneness, as you put it, created all this without reason. Even if the only reason for experiencing duality is nothing more than for the FUN of it, that still makes more sense than your simple algebra equation that "must be resolved" theory.

Impressive stuff, Alex.

~ RS

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by sundance

This seems to suggest that reincarnation is merely a thought manifested by the consciousness itself? And how does Karma play out in Subjective Reality? Does it only take effect when you believe in it?

Is it possible to unify these two theories into one single framework, just like the unifying theory in Physics?

Hi, Sundance:

As a student of the Seth books, Dr. Peebles, Cayce, etc. myself, I tend to lean towards a more rich and purposeful concept of the Universe than some of the recent S-R "purists" if you will.

While I can wrap my mind around the concept that All Things are basically CONSTRUCTS of the OUC (One Universal Consciousness), I see spacetime as just as real as anything else. A table may in truth be simply a miniscule concentration of the OUC slowed down to the vibrational state of matter, but to suggest that it is unreal is to also declare that the OUC is unreal.

If nothing exists anywhere but the OUC, and the OUC contains All That Is, then spacetime exists as well. It is not simply something IMAGINED by the OUC, but actually part of the OUC itself.

If this were not true, then thoughts would manifest themselves immediately, rather than through the much slower process required within spacetime. I think the term "illusion" is misinterepreted a lot in discussions of S-R and metaphysical theory. I think it should be considered in a much more metaphorical sense.

A motion picture is an "illusion" from the audience's perspective. The actors pretend to be characters they are not, who live within fake walls and facades in order to tell us a story. But the actors are still real flesh and blood people who must suspend their disbelief in order to portray a believable character. The fake walls and facades are built with real wood, paint and plaster.

Yes, the Unified Field Theory is beginning to show us that all of spacetime is made of the same basic stuff (see One Universal Consciousness ), but I do not believe that spacetime is some insubstantial "projection of consciousness" as some do. I believe the only "illusion" is the Illusion of Separation that all spacetime residents accept in order to interact within an objective universe.

Call it what you may, but if we are truly all the same Consciousness, then we are utterly ALONE if and when fully realized and awake. Science has shown that persons subjected to prolonged periods of isolation from any and all interaction with others is detrimental to mental health.

Perhaps the act of submitting to a "lower" state of duality/multiplicity was the only solution to an ever-maddening sense of LONELINESS and ISOLATION building up within the OUC since it first became self-aware.

The purists say that "our" mind IS the very same Mind that IS the OUC; that we are merely currently focusing on spacetime from the perspective of our current earthly "avatar," i.e. ME/YOU.

If that is true, then there is no reason to think that our EMOTIONS are any different from the OUC. The fact that YOU can feel lonely and isolated means the OUC can and does feel exactly the same way. Or did, at least.

If I am All That Is, and I perceive myself as pure Mind Energy and Potential, and I cannot perceive any other Consciousness beyond my own, then I will soon LONG for "otherness" to dispel the growing and maddening feeling of isolation.

However, I KNOW that I cannot simply project phantom beings to interact with, for I will know they are not truly separate awarenesses from myself. The only solution is to create and fully inhabit a universe that is OUTSIDE of Mind. Since I have no awareness of any "outside" and that my Mind-Energy is All That Is anywhere, I must create the ILLUSION of a place that seems to contain ME, rather than the reality that I contain everything.

In order that I be completely fooled by my construct, I must divide myself into a multiplicity of "sub-selves" that are also contained within sub-constructs, leaving no part of my Consciousness remaining behind and "outside" of the Grand Illusion.

After enough time passes within these illusory containers, my sub-selves will forget their true reality, and I will be relieved of the torment of loneliness through the comfort of companionship, albeit illusory.

Of course, this is all just one POE's theory on the possible whys of what we're all doing here, but it's one that makes sense to me, albeit a somewhat sad story.

The happy ending is that it gives PURPOSE to duality rather than making it sound like an accident the OUC stumbled into and must now eventually awaken from. I do not understand why so many believe that God, the OUC, All-That-Is, etc. has to have been complete and perfect from the outset.

Nature teaches us that there is no change without growth. And that no change leads to stagnation. There may be entropy in spacetime, but certainly nature is always trying to grow and adapt and improve on itself. Why cannot God also have the same nature?

Surely if there is any ultimate PURPOSE to the Universe, it's CHANGE and GROWTH. Each of us longs to be MORE than what we are; and since each of us is in reality just one of infinite POE's of God, then it MUST follow that God longs to change and grow and be MORE than what He is.

The state of Oneness by definition prevents this from occurring. Only Duality, even an illusory one, can allow for the existence of potential growth. Therefore the only possible way for God to become MORE than what He was, was to IMMERSE himself in this dualistic Universe of spacetime.

The price He paid was that along with duality came many other forms of despair besides Loneliness. The silver lining was the higher emotional states to strive for, such as Fun, Joy, Enlightenment, and Unconditional Love.

To remain in a state of Oneness was stagnation. Through Duality, One can now be Many, and Growth becomes possible.

Duality is not a mistake to be shaken off like a bad nightmare. It is a CONSTRUCT of the OUC created as a necessary environment for Oneness to become more than what it was. Its incredible beauty and complexity make it the ultimate work of Art in existence. It's a wonderful, exciting, and fascinating place to be.

And if, in the end, we all finally peel away enough of the Onion that Duality vanishes and we are Oneness once more, we will certainly BE MORE than whence we began this path, and I see no reason -- assuming we're STILL the only Mind-Energy around -- not to sign up for another go-around in spacetime Duality.

Just for sh*ts and giggles, of course.

~ RS

[NightOwlNation]

I think we humans tend to subscribe to a this or that belief. A this or that perspective. When, in fact, it doesn't have to be this way. It can be inclusive. Something can be Imagined and also really exist within the construct of the universal field. Things, situations, conditons exist because they are Imagined. Somehow, by somone or something, somewhere. And as far as the nature of Source, the "OUC," God, etc., some concepts or answers may be beyond what we can know in our physical-self manifestation of existence. Possibly. I love a good mystery and I also love answers - but at the same time this mystery, that there is more to discover (or remember) is okay with me

[AAMM77]

RS I’m glad you enjoyed exploring the content I have up on the site so far and I’m happy to hear that you found it impressive. I totally relate to “the areas of resistance” you exhibited. The areas of resistance you exhibited, like the seeming dryness and aloneness of oneness and the question of how did duality (the universe) happen if it wasn’t part of oneness’ or God’s purpose, are very natural reactions; I had them initially myself. They are so natural that they are predictable. I stand by the position though that the only purpose of our seeming existence here in this universe is to realize that it is an impossible, illusion that never really happened and that all we have to do is accept the correction (the un-separation, the adding up to 0) by re-embracing oneness. Oneness didn’t make this, because there is no real this; oneness is unaffected by delusions. We are right now in oneness but we have temporarily pulled a blanket of duality over our eyes that blinds us from what is real. When we snap out of it, which, outside of spacetime we already have, it will be gone without a trace, without the slightest memory lingering; because it was always a complete fiction.

If we start to assign other purposes to our seeming existence here in this universe then we start to justify it and make our "Cosmic Case of Multiple Personality Disorder" seemingly real. If it is an illusion though, then all we are doing by assigning these other purposes is avoiding the correction. Assigning other purposes is fine, except that they tend to extend the journey so to speak. What I’m trying to do with the stuff on my site is formulate, using different metaphors, the no nonsense straight as can be path to oneness (reality, nirvana); there are a whole lot of longer scenic routes and also absurdly long indirect routes, but there is only one straightest line; the straightest line is what I want to really get a grip on.

When everything is going good and we’re having fun, the scenic route seems fine. But in this dualistic universe, the crap inevitably hits the fan one way or another: we get our heads chopped off, diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease, you name it. And when the crap hits the fan, the scenic route doesn’t look as scenic as it did when we were having fun. In my own personal experience, coming to terms with the idea that all of this is an illusion has been very liberating. The less seriously we are able to take the illusion, the more easily we are able to have fun while we are still seemingly here.

And as far as oneness seeming dry, boring, or lonely, that is more of what I explain as the way we confuse 0 with 1. Oneness is something we can’t sit back dualistically and critique; it is a state of being, and the best, although still futile, way of explaining it, beyond just calling it a state of true love, seems to be that it is a state of creation where our creations are more and the same as opposed to the dualistic creation of this universe which render things that are less and different (separate). What we are then is an extension of oneness, which instead of extending further, at one point tried a little impossible experiment to extend inversely and thus dualistically.

Anyway, I really appreciate the feedback and it shows me the places I need to expand upon and clarify. If you haven’t yet, I hope you’ll bookmark my site, subscribed to my RSS feed, and or subscribe to my newsletter so we can continue looking at this thing from more angles. Thanks.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by AAMM77

When everything is going good and we’re having fun, the scenic route seems fine. But in this dualistic universe, the crap inevitably hits the fan one way or another: we get our heads chopped off, diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease, you name it. And when the crap hits the fan, the scenic route doesn’t look as scenic as it did when we were having fun.

Ah, but you forget your true reality. You are not Alex. You are the OUC. You are The Player in the game called "Human Life." The OUC has infinite FUN because He knows that all of the crap hitting the fan is only an illusion, and that it exists in reality only as a necessary element of The Game to make for a more interesting, challenging, and rewarding experience. You should read Steve's article about life from a gamer's perspective.

As a supposedly "enlightened" avatar, you should already know this. I wonder if perhaps you formulated your Duality Universe As Error" theory as an answer to the age-old question "Why do bad things happen to good people?" I can see how your belief that the entire objective universe is nothing more than an "undigested bit of beef" might answer that question for you. You see yourself as the OUC, trapped for aeons within this delusion of multiplicity that you cannot awaken from until each one of your trillions of "splinter" selves confronts their fear of oblivion and takes the leap of faith required to solve your equation and finally end your nightmare.

And that the only reason we don't is because we fear the equation will lead to true oblivion, so we perpetuate the nightmare out of some sort of spiritual survival instinct.

Well, I believe in Oneness, and I can even embrace the idea of someday awakening to that realization and returning to the oneness state of being again.

What I cannot swallow is that there is absolutely no value to all of this shared experience that our multiple selves have stored up. If there is such a thing as "blasphemy," surely it is the concept of wasting one's life. Yet you seem to believe that every life that was "lived" within this duality universe is/was such a waste that not a nanosecond of any of it is worth of committing to memory.

Your theory continues to lose logic. Your theory wants to have its cake and eat it, too. You cannot claim that existence is meaningless by boiling it down to a clever algebra equation and write it off as God's "mistake" that requires a "correction" with one breath, and then claim that oneness is "true love" in the next.

Shaking off all of the memories and experience of this dualistic existence is not an act of Love. It is an act of Indifference, which, BTW, is the exact OPPOSITE of Love; not Hate, as many believe.

I can no more accept your theory of the OUC being an indifferent, stagnant, delusional entity trapped in a nightmare than I can accept a God that has a wrathful and sadistic nature. Neither are possible in my mind for the simple reason that neither version is anywhere near my own personal level of enlightenment.

If we are all in truth but focus points of the OUC, then the OUC values my life and the memory of same simply because I value it. The OUC indeed wishes to become MORE than what He is because I wish that for myself. He is Me, and because I am logical, so is He.

It is entirerly ILLOGICAL for all of this to be nothing more than a meaningless, forgettable nightmare of the OUC. Our universe is a purposeful one because it's intended to be just that. It cannot be a "nightmare" because I'm in no real hurry to awaken from it. And not because I'm afraid to "die." Life is full of triumphs and tragedies, fun and danger; but it's truly a whole lot of fun. This is an exciting place to be, not to mention an exquisite work of beauty. I've had nightmares, and I know when I'm in one. I also know how to get out of one.

Finally, if all this is to be forgotten -- or already has been, as you point out, then why are we still here? If we're all this Oneness who's already awakened "outside of spacetime" from this nightmare, and already forgotten it, then we already are oblivion and should already be experiencing oneness and nirvana.

But we DO have memory of this existence, so either it's still an ongoing thing, or we are existing as MEMORY within the OUC who is "reliving" these experiences again.

The very fact that YOU and I are currently experiencing ourselves PROVES that we are not and/or will not be "forgotten" as you claim.

Unless you're one of those people who claim they never dream. Then perhaps I can see how you might believe what you say.

Best...

~ RS

[AAMM77]

Ah, but in that quote you pulled out you omitted the next thing I said

“In my own personal experience, coming to terms with the idea that all of this is an illusion has been very liberating. The less seriously we are able to take the illusion, the more easily we are able to have fun while we are still seemingly here.”

This is an illusion just as dreams are illusions; illusions are like cosmic temper tantrums where we say, I want to be separate and special; I want to be a dualist. And as far as what is Logical and Illogical depends on how we warp the data. The theory you are describing as my theory is your theory of my theory. For instance, nowhere in my theory do I call it “God's "mistake". The mistake was impossible and so never really happened; God is what makes it not a mistake; only in the mind of the stubborn dreamer, afraid of its convoluted idea of oneness, does it seem to be real. Also nowhere in my theory is “the OUC being an indifferent, stagnant, delusional entity trapped in a nightmare”. Nor do I call it the OUC. I say consciousness is part of the illusion. Unified and consciousness together is an oxymoron because consciousness requires an observer and observed, which is a sense of disunity. Believe me, I understand where you are coming from, because for a period of time, due to the literature I was most influenced by at the time, I entertained the view you are expounding; but for me, over time I found it dissatisfying and was ready for a better way. What theory you or I work off of though doesn’t really matter, whatever particular perspective helps us to be evermore happy, caring people, as opposed to afraid and resentful, is what counts. Our seeming disagreement is just part of this dualistic world and I’m not going to take the bait; our disagreement is an illusion. My objective is to find the cleanest, simplest, straightest path, as opposed to the one where I indulge in duality for a longer amount of time. If I assign too much value to the dream then I’ll keep on dreaming longer and I'm don't really want to; the best stuff in the dream is a pale joke relative to oneness. There are many paths with various lengths, but the destination is the same. Peace.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by AAMM77

My objective is to find the cleanest, simplest, straightest path, as opposed to the one where I indulge in duality for a longer amount of time. If I assign too much value to the dream then I’ll keep on dreaming longer and I'm don't really want to; the best stuff in the dream is a pale joke relative to oneness. There are many paths with various lengths, but the destination is the same. Peace.

How do you know that Oneness is so great? You are human, and caught within the same duality as are we all. Your ego has never experienced Oneness, so in truth, you are trying to compare apples with an orange you have only heard tales about but never tasted.

How do you know that Duality is not the more preferable state of being? You speak as if you've already been there, but you are only a human whose particular choice of books and study has led him to one conclusion, whereas my choice of books and study has led me to another.

Your concept is no more true than is mine. However, mine does have the advantage of offering PURPOSE to the Universe, whereas yours does not. You do not have to use the word "mistake." I did not quote you on that. But you INFER that Spacetime is a mistake when you talk about your so-called "correction" that must eventually be made.

You also fail to address my quite valid point that nullifies your belief that we are insubstantial dreams that will be quickly forgotten because we never really existed in the first place. This is bilgewater of the highest order. Again, I state quite vehemently that our current awareness/memory of our personal human experience negates that possibility completely.

Since, as you say, this Oneness that you claim is the only real thing that exists EXISTS outside of Spacetime, and that everything that we experience has already happened, then we must BE memory that is NOT forgotten by the Oneness. At least in your concept of that being. Otherwise, we would all simply be continuing to experience the Oneness as we were before the duality was created and this discussion was never imprinted on any memory anywhere.

You see, what you claim seems to leave out one very important factor, and that is that for your theory to have any legs, the Oneness that you imagine does not have any CHOICE in the matter as to whether the duality is remembered or not. Once again, we have another human POE putting further limits on God.

The God of your imagining is not that different from the God of Abraham, in that Abraham's God needed but to snap His fingers and say "Let there be..." this or that, and this or that would come into being, leaving the details for... who to figure out? Your Oneness god is even LESS than that god for your god creates Spacetime without even being conscious of His actions within a dream!

I look around and see the complexity, the intracasy, the beauty of physical creation, and can only laugh at the thought that the Universe is actually a renegade projection of the Mind of God.

If you want the "cleanest, simplest, straightest path" back to Oneness, then, well, good luck with that. For that to happen, you're going to have to convince AT LEAST six billion other renegade splinters of yourself that they are all meaningless phantom projections, and that their current state of awareness has absolutely zero meaning or purpose. Tough mission. Not to mention, you're going to have to get that many souls to wrap their puny human minds around ALGEBRA in order to understand how your math proves that we don't really exist. Mission: Impossible. Most people hate math.

If you were smart about speeding things up, you would preach a much more appealing concept -- like mine, for instance. Sure, we may be deluded by the carrot of PURPOSE and MEANING to existence, but so what? If what you say is true, this is all a fiction anyway, so why shouldn't you preach a fiction if it gets you what you want in a more timely manner? I'll wager dollars to doughnuts that YOUR concept will only delay our return to Nirvana as long as is possible.

All the best....

Albert Einstein

[ethereal]

There's the straight and narrow path, and there's the scenic route. One is not "better" than the other, for we are all on the path that is best for us, and we have eternity to get back to Oneness. And with all likelihood, we've already been on this journey for millions of lifetimes, we just don't know it. David Hawkins actually says that for the vast majority of people, the scenic route is better for them.

Reality is as it is, all thoughts and judgments and projected values are meaningless, everything is just pure love

Edit: great discussion on this in "I am That" by Nisargadatta Maharaj in chapter 24, "God is the All-Doer, the Gnani a Non-Doer". Also check out/google pravritti (the outgoing path) vs. nivritti (the return path).

[Liara Covert]

Perspectives on reincarnation and 'subjective reality' are discussed in Deepak Chopra's book, "Life After Death." He compares religious and spiritual views to explain why, "its up to every soul to find the home where it belongs":

He explains how in the West, people often deny anyone could know what lies beyond death, or deny that images recalled in dreams could reflect glimpses of a past life. A large number of people believe spiritual knowledge is relative or "all that matters is faith, not the thing you have faith in."

The Buddhist view is that retributive process of karma spans many lifetimes. The process of being born over and over again in different situations is supposed to enable a soul to work through attachments. If passions or bad energy are not extinguished in a lifetime, then these feelings will take form in the next lifetime. What you percieve as your current reality is also connected to past reincarnations.

The Indian (Hindu) point of view is that karma is infinite and constantly being renewed in new births and that past,present and future karma all affect current existence. The end of karma isn't the end of life. Human souls are simply promoted to higher frequencies of existence (evolution). Wholesome actions lead to wholesome states and vice-versa which affects the next life.

The Christian point of view is that to be born into their world of sin is meant to enable a person to find a path back to Jesus. The ideal Christian may be in such a rush to be redeemed, he would renounce this world like many Saints did. In this case, subjective reality may be disregarded in favor of a focus on imagined images of heaven.

The Muslim view is described as personal and emotional, and specifies rewards to be forthcoming in eternity which must meet Islamic expectations.

A Tibetan lama describes souls that have completed their Earthly path :
"imagine that you are no longer dreaming, and although you enjoy being awake, you also enjoy helping others who are still asleep."

[AAMM77]

RS, you obviously find your take more palatable than your theory of my theory (although what is being called “my theory” is essentially just a technically rich take on A Course in Miracles). And that is perfectly fine. It is obviously important to you for the universe to be justified. It isn’t for me. That’s duality for you. I’m committed to non-dualism all the way. The first one now will later be last; but that doesn’t much matter when the wait is outside of spacetime. God is innocent, you are innocent, and I am innocent. Whatever you do, do it without guilt and we’ll all be fine. As long as you and I can disagree without antagonism, we are on the right path, regardless of our theoretical preferences; which as the poster Liara pointed out may have a lot to do with past lives. Yep, you and I have probably had this same discussion many a times. But now I’d prefer it to be the last. Peace.

[Rocket Surgery]

Cool, Alex. I guess I win then. Obviously I've succeeded in chipping away at the illogical armor of YOUR theory enough to cause you to retreat back to your happy place for the time being.

I tease you a little, and do not intend to be hostile in any way. Just taking a contradictory opinion on the matter. But when I think about your youth, I realize that like most youth these days, you are inherently impatient, and said impatience has probably colored your quite brilliant concept regarding how we all came into being.

Oneness and Nirvana sound wonderful, and surely it will be an awesome experience when we all eventually come together in that state for the "ultimate group hug," if you will. All I'm saying is that in order for that ultimate state of being to be truly appreciated as such, Duality or Otherness must also be experienced from time to time, even if only in memory. Otherwise the "nirvana" would devolve into a stagnant, unchanging "indifference", I'm guessing, and we might even forget our own awareness completely.

Therefore, the dualistic universe exists -- or DID exist -- and IS there in our memory to experience as needed to remind us of how great it truly is to be ONE. They say, "the grass is always greener on the other side." Perhaps in our state of Oneness, we feel the same "longing" to experience Duality as we feel here within Duality to experience Oneness. It's an eternal pendulum that keeps everything in motion, one towards the other, creating an endless hunger for Consciousness to CHANGE, the result of which is, of course, eternal GROWTH.

Try to keep an open mind at all times. You're far too young to lock yourself into inflexible opinions and concepts, especially regarding subject matter that, from our current states of awareness, are at their best little more than an EDUCATED GUESS.

I wish you great challenges and awesome obstacles!

~ RS

[AAMM77]

Yep, you win. I don’t want to battle over anything, especially semantics. I’ll end all this though with a quote from The Gospel of St. Thomas, “Jesus said, ‘The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one.’" Peace