If the universe is a dream,then why do we need physical senses to sense the universe?

[Jack]

If the universe is a dream,then why do we need physical sense organs to sense the universe?In our dreams,we do not need sense organs to sense "the universe" around us.

But in waking state,without eye we are not able to see the universe,without ear we are not able to hear sounds in the universe,without ... .Is it cause we believe that we need physical senses to sense?



I watched a man who was able to see an audience's name on her identity card while his eyes were closed with a strip.It was a contest,and it was said "cheat free".

[MiBeloved]

I don't know about you and I hope you are speaking for yourself and not for me, because I use senses in my dreams just as I do in the physical world, but I consider the physical world to be one dimension and the dream world to be various dimensions as well.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

I don't know about you and I hope you are speaking for yourself and not for me, because I use senses in my dreams just as I do in the physical world, but I consider the physical world to be one dimension and the dream world to be various dimensions as well.

I think I wrote a bit wrong,I meant that we don't need physical sense organs in dreams.For example,if you don't have eyes in your dream,you would be able to still see I think,or not?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

I think I wrote a bit wrong,I meant that we don't need physical sense organs in dreams.For example,if you don't have eyes in your dream,you would be able to still see I think,or not?

Different dreams have different rules.

In the realm of consciousness, there are no limits.

Consciousness creates realities by imposing limits. Chaos is restrained, and order appears.

The physical world, in particular, follows certain "agreements", and the structural apparatus of the physical sensory system facilitates how the information perceived is translated to the consciousness.

[MiBeloved]

Not needing physical senses does not directly mean not needing psychic or subtle senses. I experience subtle senses in dreams. And besides the subtle senses there is an organ which is used for imaginations, a subtle organ, I mean.

[Bative]

Anagogy, I like what you speak of, the accuracy of your words is very intense.

in particular, I want to comment on "The physical world, in particular, follows certain "agreements", and the structural apparatus of the physical sensory system facilitates how the information perceived is translated to the consciousness."

yay, good stuff.
I want to ask about a few simple things. Within the realm of learning to apply what our conscious reality is letting us see in our physical realm.
What I'm getting at is, religion and politics are creations of the conscious and only exist in their collectivity.
If I refuse to see the collective conscious that they represent and only see their religion as a series of artifacts created by the same conscious realm that I am exploring; to what level can we take how we perceive the physical realm?
Many people claim to no longer see advertisements in their daily lives, despite perpetual bashing, is this the same concept but applied in a different matter?

Because these things are only exist due to constructs of the conscious, can they be ignored, and taught not to exist by the conscious as well? (duality ref?)


In the same manner of things, because it becomes difficult to be specific using verbal and written languages to express complex conscious development theory, when there is a mutual understanding between 2 people discussing a topic, that cannot be expressed by words, but an emotion and vague image are transferred through an attempt using words, though words of proper context and descriptive value are not used. Is this a subdued form of the roots of the mental capabilities of thought reading and mental communication?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Bative

Anagogy, I like what you speak of, the accuracy of your words is very intense.

in particular, I want to comment on "The physical world, in particular, follows certain "agreements", and the structural apparatus of the physical sensory system facilitates how the information perceived is translated to the consciousness."

yay, good stuff.
I want to ask about a few simple things. Within the realm of learning to apply what our conscious reality is letting us see in our physical realm.
What I'm getting at is, religion and politics are creations of the conscious and only exist in their collectivity.
If I refuse to see the collective conscious that they represent and only see their religion as a series of artifacts created by the same conscious realm that I am exploring; to what level can we take how we perceive the physical realm?

"Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 18:19)

If we could properly access the unconscious agreements that exist within the collective mind, miracles could/are/will be produced.

Originally Posted by Bative

Many people claim to no longer see advertisements in their daily lives, despite perpetual bashing, is this the same concept but applied in a different matter?

They've adjusted their "filter", so they see what they want to see.

Originally Posted by Bative

Because these things are only exist due to constructs of the conscious, can they be ignored, and taught not to exist by the conscious as well? (duality ref?)

Things can't stop existing, but they can be dissociated from our reality, if they were ignored at a very deep level.

Originally Posted by Bative

In the same manner of things, because it becomes difficult to be specific using verbal and written languages to express complex conscious development theory, when there is a mutual understanding between 2 people discussing a topic, that cannot be expressed by words, but an emotion and vague image are transferred through an attempt using words, though words of proper context and descriptive value are not used. Is this a subdued form of the roots of the mental capabilities of thought reading and mental communication?

Yes. Everything is in constant instantaneous communication, because everything is one. What we call "intuition" is simply the refinement of our ability to consciously realize that fact. "Obscurations", "impurities", and "distortions", hamper our awareness of the unflawed oneness. So, the communication gets dressed in symbols, like language objects and image objects. If you look closely enough, you'll see everything tangible that has form in any way whatsoever, is really the "expression" of something intangible.

So when two people are in sync with each other, they experience that subdued intuition to varying degrees depending on their level of synchronization with each other. It is this feeling which makes people feel "close". They've simply removed a lot of the distortions masking the truth of oneness with each another.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Different dreams have different rules.

In the realm of consciousness, there are no limits.

Consciousness creates realities by imposing limits. Chaos is restrained, and order appears.

The physical world, in particular, follows certain "agreements", and the structural apparatus of the physical sensory system facilitates how the information perceived is translated to the consciousness.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Things can't stop existing, but they can be dissociated from our reality, if they were ignored at a very deep level.

This is the same as talking about infinite realities/worlds and changing vibration to said world?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by themaster

This is the same as talking about infinite realities/worlds and changing vibration to said world?

It could be looked at that way. Like ignoring the rap, and listening to the classical music in the background.

[NexusOfCompletion]

Originally Posted by Jack

If the universe is a dream,then why do we need physical sense organs to sense the universe?In our dreams,we do not need sense organs to sense "the universe" around us.

But in waking state,without eye we are not able to see the universe,without ear we are not able to hear sounds in the universe,without ... .Is it cause we believe that we need physical senses to sense?



I watched a man who was able to see an audience's name on her identity card while his eyes were closed with a strip.It was a contest,and it was said "cheat free".

The universe only exists in the mind. Sense organs and sensory input are two sides of the same coin.

[seeds]

Originally Posted by Jack

If the universe is a dream, then why do we need physical sense organs to sense the universe? In our dreams, we do not need sense organs to sense "the universe" around us.

But in waking state, without eye we are not able to see the universe, without ear we are not able to hear sounds in the universe, without ... .Is it cause we believe that we need physical senses to sense?

Greetings Jack,

The universe is not a "dream" in the literal sense of the word.

The word "dream" has a very flimsy and illusory, low conscious connotation to it that just does not apply here.

What we see out here in the universe (God's mind) is the result of a direct and ultra-conscious manipulation of the essence out of which dreams, universes, and all realities are created.

Furthermore, we do not have sense "organs." We have wonderfully constructed "windows" that allow our minds to access and mentally "interface" with the inner dimension of God's mind.

The five senses of which you speak are a part of your own ultimate and inner being that allows you to reach into the inner dimension of your own mind to experience and manipulate the subjective reality within yourself (your thoughts and dreams), or to reach outward through the "windows" to experience and manipulate what we call "objective reality" (God's "thoughts and dreams").

The energy substance that forms your body, the chair you are seated in, your home, the earth and the galaxies, is merely a more advanced and more ordered, more "highly resolved" version of the same substance that forms your dreams. And the five senses of your consciousness can be applied to either situation.

In other words, they can be applied to the substance of your mind, or to the substance of God's mind, depending on whether you are looking inward or looking outward, and the substance itself will yield-forth what we call "reality" (ours or God's).

God's substance is just more organized and more perfected than ours.

(I could get into quantum theory here - the collapse of the quantum wave function via observation and such, but it doesn't seem to be well received in this forum. )

I have stated many times in alternate threads that we are the literal "embryos" of God, momentarily held "within" the inner dimension of his own personal consciousness.

And because our minds are encapsulated in bodies that are a component of God's own personal mental holography, as we reach out through the five sensory windows of our bodies, we are literally touching God's very "thoughts" (beginning with the body itself).

Whenever we look at the ocean, hear the wind, taste a cherry, smell a lilac, or caress a loved one's face, we are interacting with the "extremely" advanced mental constructions of a Being who is not only billions of years our elder, but is also our ultimate progenitive source (our ultimate "parent").

Our bodies ("seed pods" "placental encasements"), created from God's very own mental substance and being, represent the process through which God has awakened each of us into life, further implying an "ultimate awakening" wondrous beyond our wildest imaginings.

Your sibling,

seeds

[Dreamline]

I disagree that the universe is a dream. It's as real as it appears to be. We are connected to it but separate from it.

We've developed sense organs in response to living in this real place. If the universe were just a dream we would never have evolved them.

Jennifer