Steve article of present moment and subjective reality

[Rajec]

Hi I got questions which arise from Steve article of subjective reality.


First of all let me really quickly say my basic approach to all the things.

I don't look for truth because it is pointless especially for two reason:

1. It make sense only in objective reality, which I cannot experience.
2. Everything what I know could be wrong there could or could not be God, world could or could not work by physics.

So I am looking for beliefs which will make my life better rigth now. Thats way i rather believe in gravitation for example (even it not that much funny with it, common who doesn't want to fly

1. Subjective reality and practical life
I don't get how can I use what you wrote about subjective reality in my life. You wrote benefits and how to live when you understand living in present moment so I get here confused.

2. My friend get confused by article. You wrote that you decide by your feelings in present moment.
But You should not eat/do only what you feels good because in long term it could harm you. You still have to think about consequences of what you do in present, in future. I love drinking beer with my friends. Its wonderful experience, but I cannot do this all the time.

[Angela]

Max..... Maxie, is that you?!?

[Acting Like Godot]

Judge ... Judge, is that you?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Angela

Max..... Maxie, is that you?!?

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Judge ... Judge, is that you?

I must be missing something.

[scratches head]



That is clearly not Judge/Max.

[Bradshaw]

Yep, it's not.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I must be missing something.

[scratches head]



That is clearly not Judge/Max.

The latest incarnation of Judge/Max showed up in response to the OP, and was deleted and banned when his cover was blown.

[Rajec]

How about someone who wants to answer my actual question ?

[Daffy Duck]

Please forgive us all, Rajec. "Spot the Judge" is a popular game among some of us.

Someone will likely come along and provide some good answers. I could do it myself, but I'm more biased towards objectivity than subjectivity, so I think it's better if someone else does.

I'll just give a tip: no matter what anyone tells you, if your internal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meter goes off, then trust YOURSELF.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Angela

The latest incarnation of Judge/Max showed up in response to the OP, and was deleted and banned when his cover was blown.

Thanks for the info. The world makes sense again.

Originally Posted by Rajec

Hi I got questions which arise from Steve article of subjective reality.


First of all let me really quickly say my basic approach to all the things.

I don't look for truth because it is pointless especially for two reason:

1. It make sense only in objective reality, which I cannot experience.
2. Everything what I know could be wrong there could or could not be God, world could or could not work by physics.

So I am looking for beliefs which will make my life better rigth now. Thats way i rather believe in gravitation for example (even it not that much funny with it, common who doesn't want to fly

1. Subjective reality and practical life
I don't get how can I use what you wrote about subjective reality in my life. You wrote benefits and how to live when you understand living in present moment so I get here confused.

I see the present as an absolute indicator of what I am currently holding in my personal consciousness. What I experience is a reflection of me as a person. In this way, all can be seen as lessons about who I am, whether they be pleasant or unpleasant. It can all be viewed in the light of knowledge.

2. My friend get confused by article. You wrote that you decide by your feelings in present moment.
But You should not eat/do only what you feels good because in long term it could harm you. You still have to think about consequences of what you do in present, in future. I love drinking beer with my friends. Its wonderful experience, but I cannot do this all the time.

Things can "feel good" on different levels. If you were drinking beer with your friends ALL the time, I can pretty much guarantee parts of your conscious expression would emphatically NOT feel good. You have to take into account the mental, the emotional, the physical, and the spiritual. These are all different levels of your being that need to find quality expression. Sometimes what is quality expression for one dimension, like the physical, is NOT good expression for a another aspect of your consciousness, like the realm of the mental for example. So there is a balance that needs to be observed.

Doing what "feels good" is that balance, provided you don't ignore certain levels of your being. Its when you close off that awareness, that dysfunction occurs.

[Rajec]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Thanks for the info. The world makes sense again.





I see the present as an absolute indicator of what I am currently holding in my personal consciousness. What I experience is a reflection of me as a person. In this way, all can be seen as lessons about who I am, whether they be pleasant or unpleasant. It can all be viewed in the light of knowledge.



Things can "feel good" on different levels. If you were drinking beer with your friends ALL the time, I can pretty much guarantee parts of your conscious expression would emphatically NOT feel good. You have to take into account the mental, the emotional, the physical, and the spiritual. These are all different levels of your being that need to find quality expression. Sometimes what is quality expression for one dimension, like the physical, is NOT good expression for a another aspect of your consciousness, like the realm of the mental for example. So there is a balance that needs to be observed.

Doing what "feels good" is that balance, provided you don't ignore certain levels of your being. Its when you close off that awareness, that dysfunction occurs.

Analogy thanks for answer.

I would like to respond to your last part.

For me living in present moment means put awareness on it all the time even when I thinking about future or past I am aware where I am really (in present moment). So I don't drink all the time because I know that in future (which become present moment) it will hurt me.

Problem doesn't arise from not listening to other levels of my being because not every people have such conflict and occasionally I don't feel that conflict at all(drinking was just example).

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Rajec

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1. Subjective reality and practical life
I don't get how can I use what you wrote about subjective reality in my life. You wrote benefits and how to live when you understand living in present moment so I get here confused.
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Hi Rajec,
I'd like just to address this part. When you are with people, if you are thinking about (future) what they will think of you if you say this or that, then you are neither living in the present nor connecting with those you are with. The same goes if you are thinking more of your past with these people. And, people know when you're not really "there" or "with them". Children are especially sensitive and will do things to try to get your full attention. But all people will respond with less interest in you.

Being in the moment, and believing in Subjective Reality, would cause you to attend to those you're with fully and completely. This will improve all your relationships. Do you see that?

Let's say you're with people who are annoying you. They are "talking trash" or being critical of someone or something you like. Being truly with them is not going to bring you pleasure, unless you believe in SR. Then you take 100% responsibility for the "trash" they are talking. Ho'oponopono is wonderful for this. I form the thought that we are all one, and that I love them (as I love myself and the spirit in all of us that is still connected to Source), and ask Divinity to remove any programs in me that has caused this distressful conversation, and say that over and over until the conversation changes. It always does if I can stay in that place.

This is why political arguments and arguments over the "truth" of one belief over another is never productive. It is all from "memories replaying" and from ego wanting to "win". When people are in the moment, connecting to each other and to the environment they are in, there is nothing to argue about.

Ho'oponopono proves the point of SR. When you use it, you will see that reality pretty quickly changes for the better, which leads one to "see" that it is our attitudes and beliefs that shape our experience in life.

- Nancy