hypnosis to end the hypnotic self?

[wolfgang]

It can be said that the illusion of a separate self is a hypnotic state that we are stuck in. Some how we are fed beliefs when we grew up and basically hypnotized ourselves into a trance of being a separate self.

So I was wondering if there are hypnosis audio sessions that would deprogram the hypnotic state of being a separate self. Or if a professional hypnosis practitioner could do such a thing.

Another way to say this, would be to ask if there are ways to use hypnosis to "install" the feeling of knowing your true nature - oneness or godness.

Or to end the seeking of enlightenment for the seeking is what gets in the way of realizing.

Or to hypnotize one's self to be enlightened - which is kind of like giving up on all concepts of what enlightenment is and all beliefs of any kind.

Know what I mean?

I googled some but didn't turn up any hypnosis audio that is specific to releasing all beliefs or turning on enlightenment or finding true nature or exposing the illusion of the individual self.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Another way to say this, would be to ask if there are ways to use hypnosis to "install" the feeling of knowing your true nature - oneness or godness.

Sure!

It would make the most sense, I think, to consult with a hypnotherapist or to record your own self-session.

That way you can request or record only the suggestions that are most beneficial and desirable for you.

If you do use someone else's canned recording, you might want to listen to it out of trance first, and make sure it's congruent with your conscious intention -- some recordings may have incongruent suggestions that will tend to alert you consciously, and kick you out of a suggestible, relaxed state.

[wolfgang]

It should be possible then, thanks Angela.

One thing that strikes me as odd is hypnoses or being in a hypnotic trance in general. Because the whole reason we think we are this individual self is a hypnotic trance already. So would a hypnosis session be able to snap the self out of it's trance?

But in general, I think I may try to come up with some statements to use - and just meditate and use them. So to have a brain storm for those statements, hmmm.... I found this pointers The Natural State - John Wheeler list that I might try to turn into some auto suggestion messages.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It can be said that the illusion of a separate self is a hypnotic state that we are stuck in. Some how we are fed beliefs when we grew up and basically hypnotized ourselves into a trance of being a separate self.

So I was wondering if there are hypnosis audio sessions that would deprogram the hypnotic state of being a separate self. Or if a professional hypnosis practitioner could do such a thing.

Another way to say this, would be to ask if there are ways to use hypnosis to "install" the feeling of knowing your true nature - oneness or godness.

Or to end the seeking of enlightenment for the seeking is what gets in the way of realizing.

Or to hypnotize one's self to be enlightened - which is kind of like giving up on all concepts of what enlightenment is and all beliefs of any kind.

One thing that strikes me as odd is hypnoses or being in a hypnotic trance in general. Because the whole reason we think we are this individual self is a hypnotic trance already. So would a hypnosis session be able to snap the self out of it's trance?

But in general, I think I may try to come up with some statements to use - and just meditate and use them. So to have a brain storm for those statements, hmmm.... I found this pointers The Natural State - John Wheeler list that I might try to turn into some auto suggestion messages.

What an interesting subject, Wolfgang!

I agree with this completely. Separation is a trance. All form is a trance. All "ordered reality" is a trance.

In my experience, I've come to the understanding that we are "onions" . We are consciousness with many many many many many layers of trance between us and the direct union with the clear light that is the Absolute.

And what is a trance?

From my perspective, it is a state of dissociation brought on by the looping, or circular flow of consciousness. Any form of mental repetition will induce a trance. One of the interesting things about trance is that it restricts our awareness to the objects of the trance. A great example is belief.

Belief is a trance. A belief is an idea or observation that we repeated so often that it became second nature. And what is this thing we call "second nature"? Its actually a collection of disabled cognitive functions, which makes the belief seem like the only valid reality. Even ordinary concentration is a trance. I'm sure everybody has experienced the feeling of focusing on something, whether it be an object or an idea. At first you are aware of background, but pretty soon you find that the background fades away, and your concentration heightens. That is the signal you've entered trance.

What's happening is, your mind is trying to be more energy efficient. You are focusing your cognitive resources on the objects of importance, and when you reach a certain amount of "loops" in this thought/focus sequence, you "learn" the loop. This is when you get the feeling that you can think slightly "other" thoughts while still concentrating heavily on the object. You start to feel like you are "watching yourself" do things, rather than personally doing them. This is dissociation.

When we analyze this condition, certain interesting peculiarities are revealed. One thing that occurs is that certain mental functions are diminished, and others are enhanced. Those functions not necessary to carry out the object of the focus, are excluded, the remaining cognitive functions tend to be enhanced. For example, maybe you can't remember what was going on 5 minutes ago, but you CAN visualize extremely vividly. This is something that frequently occurs during dreams.

The first cognitive function that is usually disabled in trance is critical thinking, or the ability to correctly reason between cause and effect. Hypnotists take advantage of this state in order to deliver suggestions to their subjects without normal conscious interference occurring.

With regard to the idea of enlightenment, the idea of trance can be taken further. Metaphysically speaking, one could view all reality as a sort of "Universal Trance". Inside the universal trance or consciousness all thoughts/choices exist. Every time a choice is made, free will is restricted slightly to constrain awareness to the chosen reality, as you can only choose when you are aware of choice to begin with. You see, in restricting choice, there is an energizing of the reality of the choice, which then makes the previous reality nothing but a memory. But memories can be consciously forgotten. The cognitive functions not necessary for the reality are excluded, and the rest are vivified. Its similar to people who go blind and their other senses become more acute as a result of their impairment.

So enlightenment does seem to be a process of "waking up" or breaking trances. How does one collapse a trance? One way is to utilize cognitive functions that have been excluded. But when one has been in a trance so long they don't even know what those cognitive functions are it can be difficult, however. In which case, its important to find the "trance generating loop". Or the loops of thought giving rise to the particular grouping of cognitive functions we call "our reality". As Buddha discovered, it appears to be the idea of the ego (or separate self), that stands between us and enlightenment.

In my personal experience, I've found meditating on oneness to be helpful. Not just thinking about the concept, but really trying to make critical observations about what it would mean if everything was, in fact, one. It is my understanding that this type of meditation continued over time will eventually alter my cognitive functions to a state more congruent with the higher reality. Psychic powers are a natural byproduct of utilizing these "excluded" cognitive functions.

Hope some of that was coherent...

[nightdiamond]

Hi Wolfgang..

I don't know about hynopsis, but there is a program that addresses the topic you are talking about.

Stephen Wolinsky published a book called "Quantum Consciousness", which is about learning how to access states of minds similar to what is called "Samadhi" "Satori" or "Cosmic Consciousness" or simply, enlightment.

It has something of a step by step, scientific style approach to it, along with showing how to use the exercises or mind states to solve emotional/psychological problems as well.

It consists more of mental exercises than hypnosis sessions. It has a number of steps you try out and a number of levels you advanced to after mastering those steps.

These various execises are supposed to teach one how to disconnect (at will) from the experience of separatness, and experience a different mental state where you are the observer.

With each level you complete you supposedly get closer to experiencing the complete unity state, where there is no seperation or boundaries, and a bliss-like state is experienced.

Wolinsky, in his book, claims to experience this state, or can put himself in this state by thinking about it.

His approach is that you don't have to rigidly follow the steps, but choose the exercises which feel more comfortable to you, or to feel free to skip ahead to pages that interest you.

He also advises the reader to try the steps out for themselves and decide, rather than just accept his word or claims.

That's one of the things I like about his approach.

As far it being real or actually working, I can't say, I read only a little of his book, and didn't really get as far!

Take care...