Dissmising Guides

[chakajo75]

If know your guides are not helping you, how do you dismiss them for new ones

[Erin Pavlina]

Back up a second. Maybe you're the one with the faulty connection. If you can't connect to your guides it's more likely a problem on your end then theirs, and so if you get new ones you'll still have the same problem.

[GuideMySpirit]

Your guides are always helping you, but you not listening to them is what causes problems. The carnal mind/ego is a master at being a trickster and can do that almost all the time. The connection is always flowing through you, but you using your free will that you have here and not taking action is what causes the situation to go bad.

[chakajo75]

I can't force them to do anything, i ask them a simple question or a symbol and I get nothing. So they are not helping me, especially when I need them

[Erin Pavlina]

They are helping you; you're just not detecting that help. It's like turning on your television but the mute button is on and you're complaining that you can't hear any sound. Undo the mute button, don't get a new tv.

You're quite probably having modality issues. Read Psychic Navigator by John Holland for a really great explanation of modalities and how to develop them.

Also, did you read my article, "But where's the love?" because I think you'll really get a lot of out it. If you did read it, what did you think about how it might apply to your situation?

[Zas]

I'm not really experienced or knowledgeable in this area at all . . . But if I were in your place (I read in your other thread that you've meditated for many years,) I would think that maybe there is something specific that I was supposed to be learning from this challenge.

There was only one time where I really know that I got what falls under "spirit guide communication" according to this understanding. That kind of frustrated me before . . . But now it feels more like it was important to my path because it has forced me to be brave with my spiritual exploration. (To not get easy answers in that area. To build faith on my own. etc)

I'm still working with that faith stuff, so I don't really try to communicate with them that much as far as searching for information goes. I have a lot to be thankful for though, so I usually end up expressing gratitude for them if anything, heh. Anyway, right now it feels like our minimal communication is at the right level for what I'm learning.

You might step back and see if there is something you should be learning from this?

Also, if you have been meditating for so long . . . Maybe you're in the habit of doing/viewing it a certain way which makes it an unideal space for your guides to communicate with you? Have you spoken directly with your teacher about it?

[chakajo75]

yes, and the only thing she said that your are blocking trying to hard. Like I said we were given 41 abstract words to come up with symbols. I was the only one in class who did not hardly get anything. I just decided the hell with them and put down what the symbols I think they should be being in this body. Last night we were given the 50 states so we have to come up for symbols for those. This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, she still has not addressed any of my issues. I just sat there and let the others say what they got. I may not be clairvoyant, but the other modalities will not be addressed until the next block of classes. So I have to finish this crap before going on. Now I don't care like I said they were not there for me then and they are not at present.

[Erin Pavlina]

Chakajo, quit the class and get your money back. There's no point in continuing. Study on your own. Read books, listen to audio programs. You still haven't answered my question... did you read the blog entry, "But where's the love?"

You are blocking yourself, but that class isn't going to help you with the block. Why do you want to develop your psychic abilities? What are you hoping it will accomplish.

And stop blaming the teacher. You are choosing to be in the class. If you don't like it, get out.

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by chakajo75

If know your guides are not helping you, how do you dismiss them for new ones

I agree w/Erin, that class isn't for you (the way it sounds it might not be for anyone!). What are you trying to do, anyhow? Would you be better served by learning to be an electrician or an artist or a truck driver?

It is possible to have negative spirit guides, and those can be replaced. But other than that, your guides are talking to you all the time - it's probably just that you're so used to hearing them you don't realize it. Remember, none of this is new or unnatural...it's the natural order of things and yes, it can seem ordinary. If you're looking for wild visions and things like that you might need to eat a mushroom, but I don't recommend it...and you probably won't get a lot of useful information from it.

[chakajo75]

Would you benefit from studying those things? I hate arogant people. So good for you that your damn guides talk to you AH

[Erin Pavlina]

Try sending your guides love and gratitude instead of hate and frustration. You are going to keep attracting negative experiences.

Curious to hear your answer on why you want to develop your psychic abilities. What would you use them for?

[chakajo75]

I am not sending them hate nor frustration, well love either for that matter. I refuse to deal with them. They have let me down, they are the biggest bitches I have seen (corrected, haven't seen them either). As far as for your yeah I read the article, really did not get anything from that because i am not trying to hear that bs right now. Next thing, because I want to, the other thing, would like to be of service. Since it is on them now, not trying to hear them, it what ever it is

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by chakajo75

Would you benefit from studying those things? I hate arogant people. So good for you that your damn guides talk to you AH

LOL. Wow. My guides don't talk to me. They give me information in other ways. And how do you know those other peoples' guides are really "talking" to them? Because they say so?

My little friend, there is a time I would've cut you to figurative ribbons. But you're already in so much self-inflicted pain there's no point in making it worse. And your guides, if you are a positive soul, don't care how mad you get. They'll be there for the rest of your life, trying to help you.

You say you want to be of service. I say serve yourself first. Now feel free to call me an @$$hole again if you like, but I think I'm done with you. For now.

[chakajo75]

Did not ask for your advice anyway. I too, my friend could cut you to ribbons as well.

[Erin Pavlina]

chakajo75, I'm sorry to say but it's clear to the rest of us why you can't connect with your guides. And you come across as pretty angry, negative, mistrustful, etc. You probably won't get much help here. Resorting to personal attacks like name calling will get you banned pretty fast.

The bottom line is that you are not at the frequency you need to be in order to connect with them. you get there with love, joy, compassion and gratitude. If I were you I would definitely drop the class. it's going to do nothing for you. You're not ready.

[chakajo75]

You know what that is fine, I had eight damn years of having love and compassion and all the bs you are suppose to have. Now they ignore me. There was a time i was not like this. Yes I am very angry.

[Erin Pavlina]

You disconnected the phone line with them and you wonder why you can't hear them. When you can get back to a state of love you will have a chance to connect with them.

I'm sure I"m not alone in wishing you well on your journey.

[chakajo75]

They disconnected me, they hung up not me

[Erin Pavlina]

They don't do that, but I can see how it appears that way.

[MagicalRealist]

The exercises you're being asked to do in that class may seem stupid, but I can understand why the teacher is asking you to do them. My own guides occasionally communicate briefly through words (I hear a voice in my head; usually no more than a couple of short, declarative sentences), but most of the time its much more subtle--they communicate through symbols. And not all guides communicate in the same way, through the same symbols--they each have their own "style," so to speak. They'll use symbols that they believe will have meaning for you, but learning how to receive those symbols, and to tell when you're getting communication from them in symbolic form, takes some practice and some getting used to. You have to develop a shared vocabulary, of sorts.

Some people don't realize that they're receiving symbolic messages until they make a conscious effort to do so. They don't know that's their modality (or one of them) until they're pushed to explore it. It might not be yours--or maybe it is. But until you get out of your own way so you can connect with your guides in the first place, you won't know.

I agree with Erin and the others here: the problem isn't your guides; it's that you're getting in your own way. Your ego demands that you be able to talk to your guides--and yes, that you get angry and call them "bitches" and want to dismiss them for a more cooperative bunch when you can't comes straight out of ego-need.

Your guides haven't refused to communicate with you--they're trying, and they've never stopped. But when you come from anger, resentment, jealousy, and frustration, and demand that they snap to and communicate with you no matter how negative your frame of mind? They can't get through. They are still transmitting, but you're tuned in way down at the left-hand side of the dial and can't pick them up. Maybe they manage to get some messages through all that static--only to have them ignored as random noise. There is only so low they can take their frequency; that's why you have to work in partnership with them, raising your vibration to meet them.

And that's where genuine "love and compassion and all the bs you are suppose to have" comes in. If you're just paying lip service to those things, and they are conditional, you don't have them. If you ditch them in anger when the payoff you expected doesn't materialize, you never had them in the first place.

And I know this isn't what you want to hear; you've determined that your guides are totally at fault, not you, and the class you're in is worthless, and anyone who tells you differently is wrong, or arrogant, or full of BS. But you came here asking for help. You're the one who has spent eight years unsuccessfully trying to communicate with your guides. People who do communicate with their guides are trying to help you--but as with your guides, your persistent negativity renders you unable to receive their help, either. It's the exact same dynamic at work.

I hope someday you finally have the breakthrough you're looking for. It took me well over a decade, but when I look back now I can see how my guides were always there, trying to get through to me, and managing to do so in subtle ways despite my own barriers to them. I was so caught up in wanting a certain kind of experience, and wanting specific, egocentric things from it, that I blinded myself to the experience I was actually having. And it was not until I'd had the profound shift in attitude that Erin described in the blog post mentioned earlier that I was able to have that breakthrough. What you're dismissing as "BS" that you don't want to hear is the lesson you need to learn most. And nothing will change until you do.

[chakajo75]

As it stands now, I do not care what they do, if they work with me fine if not well it's not the end of my life. Yeah eight damn years is a long time. I do not appreiciate being told that this is my fault, you do have stupid guides somewhere. I am recieving all this criticism, no one here as begun to tell me how I go about trying to communicate with them. This is the source of my anger with these ignorant ass classes, I am taking. In the basic class we did not do any type work in class, she handed out hand outs and just read to us what was on the paper, and now in this second class she expects all of us to miraculously become clairvoyant and recieve these silly ass symbols?? Have to stand and give messages to people I don't know from Adam if I met them. I just get so discouraged when I hear all the elaborate things the others are getting. They were trying to tell me that I am trying to hard and that I was blocking. Before I was very open, and its like now, whatever I really don't participate in class. We have to go around and say what symbol was given, all said for the whole damn night that I did not get anything. My paper was blank. I was thinking what the hell is the purpose of this?? I could not wait to get out of there.

[Lamusa]

Originally Posted by chakajo75

If know your guides are not helping you, how do you dismiss them for new ones

I know how it feels to feel like the only person who can't ''get'' what other people around me seem able to get. I had troubles like these with math classes in school. I felt stupid and alone because when I was a small child I had so much trouble doing simple math problems. It didn't help that other people around me called me stupid or grew impatient with me because the answers to the simple math I was unable to tackle seemed so obvious. I grew up believing that I was smart in most things except math and science. I couldn't understand logic, complex problems were above and beyond me. This angered me because a lot of it did seem so simple. I was left to conclude that everone was normal and fine it was just that something was wrong with me.

I've come to realize that my problems with math had nothing to do with what was wrong with me. Certain early traumas in my life left me unable to focus on math problems or much of anything for that matter. Instead of responding with sensitivity to my struggles as a child, the adults responded with criticism and verbal abuse. This was very damaging to me as later on in life this manifested into me having lots of trouble making money. Things started shifting however when I started examining the early issues that made me feel stupid and abandoned. I slowly began making little changes in the way I felt about money. I worked on forgiving the critics and the verbal abusers (I still have ways to go here) I even started my own small business, failed at it, miserably, pickd myself up off my face, then tried again. My relationship to numbers that previously caused me so much grief confusion started to shift. Instead of being angry with my apparent inability to "understand" money, value, etc. I faced it and embraced it.

I think it's great you are bringing your frustrations with communicating to your guides here to this forum. This frustration might be coming to a head for you. Your hopelessness is familiar to me. Whenever I or anyone else feels hopeless, it reminds me that once upon a time I felt hopeful enough to believe that anything is possible.

When you say your guides disconnected from you makes me think that you are actually hitting upon a deeper issue here. Possible ones related to issues of abandonment in general. We all have them. Our parents and loved ones haven't always been perfect. Maybe trying to uncover the root causes of this feeling might help you to release them so that you could better hear your spirit guides or attract ones that meet your needs.

All the Best!

[chakajo75]

I do apologize to everyone here for my comments, I was venting, and I am still angry.

[Lamusa]

Best wishes to you and keep us posted.

[Lisa McGregor]

Hi Erin

Just wanted to tell you that I have read and really loved your article "but where's the love". Thank you.

blessings

Lisa

[Erin Pavlina]

I was rather fond of that article myself, so thank you. I wish I had learned it all sooner, but I suppose it all happens when it's supposed to.

[Lisa McGregor]

Often one knows deep down inside but just needs it spelt out in black and white.