Will there be any consequences in the afterlife if I commit suicide?

[Adam85]

Sorry for asking this but I need to know what people think if they may be informed on this topic. I've read a few articles on the internet saying that there will be no punishment as such and that I can rest. I just wanted to know if anyone could affirm this for me by any spirtual experience they may have had or have known someone to have had.

I don't won't to bore you with my life story so I'll try to keep it brief I'm 24 from the UK. Basically I feel detached from the human race I don't have any real friends I find it hard to form friendships and impossible to form relationships with the opposite sex.

And yet I don't want to flatter myself but I believe that I'm a really polite person quietly spoken though I don't have any confidence as i was bullied at school and my dad died when I was 8 so I never really had a male role model which is why I believe myself to be weak and ineffectual and something of a push over easily walked over by other people. I find that life is given to people who aren't as nice as me but always seem to get what they want cause they've got the confidence and the ruthlessnes etc and I've missed out on stuff other people my age have taken for granted like I've never had a girlfriend, social circle and social life and I've never managed to secure permanent employment.

I was very close to my nan who i lived with until she got Alzheimer's disease I was caring for her until she advanced into the later stages of the condition and had to be put in a home. I haven't been the same since and I'm not really close to what remains of my family which is just my Mum who I've had a very turbulent relationship with in the past, my step dad, brother and sister. I no longer live with them.

So basically I want to end it I'm constantly depressed (the fact I'm unemployed doesn't help) I feel my life is wrong and doesn't need to exist I can't see me ever forming any relationships because I lack a spark needed for socialising with people my own age even though I'm very friendly and polite. I consider my politeness to be a weakness infact.

I don't want to go on living a hollow worthless life I don't want to put my mum through pain but she herself has often said that I'll never be happy so I hope she'd eventually understand.

I just need someone to reassure me I won't face anything bad in the afterlife cause I couldn't be bothered with that I'd rather just have obilivon.

Sorry for boring you all could someone give me some info though would be much appreciated.

[MichaelP]

You set all this up so that you would learn from it. If you give up without learning the intended lessons, guess what: you get to do it all over again.

Your Mom sounds like a real pill. Ignore her. You are everything you need. All the energies in the Universe are just as available to you as they are to the jackoffs who bullied you. They'll learn their lessons eventually (oh yes) and you must do the same.

Like attracts like. Forget wanting a Jaguar...how about some peace? To get that, you must be peaceful. Want Love? Be loving - to yourself, at first.

Don't you let them win - they are manifestations of the parts of yourself that you need to transform. Don't ask the Universe for joy...you'll just confuse the poor thing, because joy is within you and instantly available.

Peace and Blessings, son.

[pianoperformer]

I'm so sorry to hear that you are considering suicide.

There will not be oblivion, but you can't expect everything to just be suddenly OK after dying. It is not a get-out-of-jail free card.

But that's all besides the point. I know that you have gone through a lot, but you need nothing more than to see a psychologist, urgently. Honestly nothing is worth you ending your life over. Things change, and usually change quite quickly. You have potentially 50 years in front of you. Things will get better.

You just need to see someone about it and talk things through. It'll be nice to talk to someone who has an objective perspective.

I will be praying for you. Please keep us updated.

[Gerto]

Can't help you with the afterlife part.

However, I think it's good you can talk about your feelings here. But please, consider seeing a psychologist , and seeking some help.

When reading your story I see you've been through a lot! I'm sorry for that. However, things can change! You feel you have missed out on things, but there's still so much time!

In addition, you're not boring us at all! You're a good person, I can see that in you message!

Please, reconsider your decision, we're here for you!

[Adam85]

Thank you for advice pianoperformer, Michael P and Gerto although on the point of a psychologist I don't believe myself to have any underlying issues for me its a simple case of not wanting to exist but being unsure of the consequneces in the afterlife if there is such a thing. As for wanting a jaguar I'm not really interested in excessive material positions more I wanted some emotional forefillment from life and despite my best efforts at being a kind, friendly and selfless person I've found that I've received nothing but disappointment, loss and worthlessness. I don't expect life to always go my way but since entering adulthood I've found nothing has gone right for me as i sink further into emptiness.

I think I've learnt all my lessons though I know that in this life the undeserving and evil benefit more than the few good selfless people left. Like my nan one of the kindest people you could wish to meet had a good word for nearly everyone and got Alzheimer's at 60. That to me typifies the meaninglessness of life and if there are higher forces that do have some influence on this world (which I doubt and if they do exist their evil or indifferent to people's suffering) I can't see how they would permit this to happen.

Whatever form the afterlife may take seems more appealing than 50 empty years cause I can't see things changing as I can't change as a person.

Atleast now I won't have to worry about 21.12.2012 lol

[aggie]

first...i am sorry to hear what you are feeling and contemplating...imo in answer to your question...yeah...there would be consequences of a spiritual an moral nature in my belief. BUT.... the real consequences is this natural earth not having you as a particpant in it with the potential not yet even tapped as a worthwhile human being...give the world a chance...give people a chance to know you...there is also the consequence of the people that do know and love you now that will pained terribly if you followed through. you are way, way too young and you have your whole life to experience what you feel you have missed and more! please take the advice you have been given and seek professional help...my prayers are with you.

[MiBeloved]

I just need someone to reassure me I won't face anything bad in the afterlife because I couldn't be bothered with that I'd rather just have oblivion.


MiBeloved’s Response:
I thought I could help until I read the reassurance bit. Anyway consider that the afterlife is very similar to the life you have in dreams when your physical body sleeps. Is that life any worse or any better?
If you have not done horrible things, then the afterlife won’t be terrible for you but that does not mean that it will be oblivion or that you will be happier there. It will be more of the same. Thus suicide is not a way out, but is rather a way into the same thing in a psychological and non-physical way.

[MiBeloved]

To understand more about the after life read the Bhagavad Gita. The main thing for you is to adjust your interpretation of the events in life. Also your conclusions about higher forces might be based on misinformation. Really try to study the Bhagavad Gita before you take your life.

[Adam85]

Thats one thing I'm worred about MiBeloved I don't want the afterlife to be like my dreams because they feel like a darker distorted version of my real life where everything is slower and feels more empty. If there is an afterlife I want something removed from my current existence and from the person my consiousness has become. I just want peace through nothingness. I've certainly never done horrible things though.

I have read one or two extracts from the Bhagavad Gita I will try to read more. Thank you MiBeloved. thank you all for replying to me.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Adam85

I'm 24

I'm a really polite person, quietly spoken though I don't have any confidence, and
I've never managed to secure permanent employment.

I was very close to my nan who i lived with until she got Alzheimer's disease I was caring for her, until
she advanced into the later stages of the condition and had to be put in a home. I haven't been the same.

So basically I want to end it, I'm constantly depressed (the fact I'm unemployed doesn't help).

I just need someone to reassure me I won't face anything bad in the afterlife,
cause I couldn't be bothered with that I'd rather just have obilivon.
Sorry for boring you all could someone give me some info though would be much appreciated.

Hi Adam,

Of course you'll face serious! consequences, thinking & acting wrongly like that; but that rot was a moot point, from the summary I left of you above, as you & I both know. Why?
Wellll,
consider: You helped your NAN - and with this kind of helpful experience, you could serve as a blessing to possibly 100's employers in many!!! "Health-care" industries. - How would I know? - Well for one example, I've been working for 30 years, in numerous medical-environments, caring positively for, yet better said CHEERleading on... 1000's of 'patient' Clients. - In fact, 6 of these, no longer had 'Alzheimers' after I helped them heal... this to say, you have EVERYthing going for you, as well as anybody else you choose further blessing. Where to start? -
Well, how about you decide: What kind of High-quality life do I, Adam, really want to Enjoy..., here on God's beautiful earth He so graciously blessed me with.

Many of us here, will be waiting for your excited responses... in the continued fine Contributions you will make right here...

[Adam85]

Thanks for your kind words sk8joyful i think there's a lot of kindness inside me more than I've been able to show but my life so far has treated me with indifference and contempt and a few years ago when I was no different from what I am now no real friends no social life I use to try and meet new people try and form relationships and friendships but it always seemed as if there was some barrier there preventing me from properly clicking with over people.

Like my past employment I worked really hard was painfully polite towards people like I am all the time even to people who don't deserve it and I got finished off due to decling work volumes. But even being so polite to people it didn't make me any firiends just made me look a bit soft and a bit of a push over.

But now it doesn't interest me human contact going through the motions trying to get to know and impress people I gave it my all and got nowhere now my desire for that has nearly gone completely. Even getting a girlfriend doesn't interest me now even though I've not completely bypassed my emotions I try to numb them as much as I can. I don't want to feel emotions if there's not forefillment for them.

[Benjy]

You could try killing the "me" and it's storyline... even if just for a day.

"Die in life so you can live"

I've heard many people say, and myself included... that in hindsight they are glad the illusions of life didnt work out as that pushed them to wake up from it. It can be a blessing in that sense.

In my own experience, I've had addiction, personal disaster, depression, and ened up a really anxious person with little enjoyment. I attempted suicide a few times, and lived distructively as a kind of defiance against life. I then met someone and got married and had a daughter...then things went bad again. Divorce, anger, crazy exwife running around the world with my daughter etc...The problem then was that suicide wasnt an option.. I wouldn't wish that on my daughter, so I was kinda stuck.

A couple of years after that I found a loophole.. surrendering personal will, storyline, beliefs, etc.., and engaging in deep spiritual enquiry. It's like suicide in a way, you end your world.. but theres a lot of cool stuff that opens up. I'm still learning and still struggle at times, but it's starting to really change things for me. I'd recommend it. If you havnt got any ties, you could travel around, become a monk, or however the flow guides you, while you do it. Or start just by downloading some audiobooks and videos on it.

It might be worth trying out, even if you only give yourself a year.


edit: sorry, I have no idea about the consequences of suicide (apart from missing out on loads of stuff).

[GuideMySpirit]

It's not neccesarily being faced with something bad, you never get punished for doing something on any density, but taking the easy way out isn't going to be that helpful to your higher self, and you will ultimately choose to what you will do next, most likely repeat this density (3rd) to learn how to love yourself and others more.

I hope you don't do anything you are thinking in this current state of mind, it's only a phase that you must overcome. You will always get guidance if you ask for it, I suggest simply contemplating on it.

I'd refer you to this link to look at map it can really help you understand on what level you are, and set a goal for yourself. The only reason why these things come into your mind is being you allow them, it's much like a negative entity coming up to your physical body and taking over it, and you with your free will allows it too, because of your mind set.

You have to learn to say no to these emotions and evolve from it and take life as a lesson to be learned. You have to understand the emotions within yourself is what is cast out, like a holographic mirror in the universe. You love others and show care for them, but the problem I've noticed from reading is that you seem to not love yourself enough, this is the root of the problem, always go to the root, nothing is random or change, it happens for a reason.

[dwixi]

Learn. Move away. Help other people. Love. See threw other lenses

[Roseblue]

Adam85,

Fight it! Rise above it. Read more think less.
Your thoughts are creating your destiny - change them and you change your life.

In your own words you are a kind and considerate person. This world needs people like you. Do yourself a huge favour and forget about your own troubles and go help others. Make someone else's life more bearable. Go make someone's day!

One step at a time.

[Benjy]

some views from this site, and a summary of religious views on wiki:

The Spiritual Consequences of Suicide

Suicide and what happens after you die

Religious views of suicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd recommend viewing them all as guesses though, as they are from living people

[pianoperformer]

Adam,

You don't need to have underlying issues to see a psychologist. I think you desperately need to talk to an unbiased third party about what you have experienced in life, and they can help you work past it and move on.

God would not have put you on this earth if there were no purpose. Suicide never is the answer. Absolutely never. He has a purpose for each and every person.

Perhaps it may help to read about some of the saints who suffered a lot, yet still were close to God and persisted through it. Look, for instance, for the writings of St. Faustina.

There are many evil things in this world, and it looks like you've seen your fair share of them. However there are many good things as well. I think that it'd be a great comfort to you if you turned to God for the grace to get through it.

I'm sorry if you are not religious, or don't believe in God as I am speaking of him, but he is the source of all good things, and will bless you if you turn to him.

Please don't make any rash decisions. Remember the choice is final, and there's no turning back once it is done. You only get one life to live,. Trust me your life is not devoid of purpose; you just haven't found it yet.

[themaster]

Will there be any consequences in the afterlife if I commit suicide?

NO!

But this is my understanding.. just cause you commit suicide (if you get that far..) doesn't mean you'll end up right back here.. only when the veil is revealed will you be presented with what you agreed to do here.. you will once again be offered a choice to continue.. it's quite possible you'll be back..

Here are some of the facts about suicide as I understand it..

"Many of us have already died many times.. and have returned.. obviously mostly with a tinge of forgetfulness in there.." my teacher says if you had a experience where you said to yourself "I could have almost died" you probably did

"All deaths are suicides" you don't need to perform the physical act.. you can use LOA to be hit by a bus or your own thoughts to leave.. you just have to go about it the right way..

There is no judgment in higher perspectives.. what was done here you are not judged for.. you will just have a conversation/experience about your life when you die

Also watch out for "EGO" based ideas about suicide.. which are judgment about the act in a negative way.. it is my understanding that this is hell, where you going is very beautiful Word of warning again.. doesn't mean you won't be back, hopefully you can come back with a tad of a attitude adjustment or appreciation for life.. for there is much to appreciate..

[Erin Pavlina]

You posted that your grandmother got Alzheimer's at 60 and that that wasn't fair because she was so kind. Dying young is not a punishment. maybe she did everything she came here to do and was done. Think of it like graduating early. And she gave herself an out.

I am a medium and I have had contact with lots of people on the other side who have committed suicide. Some transition really well and easily, they fold easily into a state of love and forgiveness (towards themselves) and they are just right as rain. Others put themselves in Hell, a psychological torment riddled with shame, guilt, or fear.

Suicide is allowed, but it does not release you from your lessons. It's like dropping a course you signed up for in college. You'll still have to finish it again later if you want the degree.

Why not try turning your life over to service to others. People find an incredible amount of fulfillment in doing that. Might make life worth living if you can devote yourself to helping others.

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

...Suicide is allowed, but it does not release you from your lessons. It's like dropping a course you signed up for in college. You'll still have to finish it again later if you want the degree...

Right as rain.

[Lamusa]

You need to GRIEVE, GRIEVE, GRIEVE. Oftentimes, when we are still going through the grieving process we can get confused and think we don't want to be here anymore. Looking back on times I've felt like that, I'm so glad I didn't try to end it all. I was just deeply upset and missing the person I lost. Everything seemed futile. Instead of being so concerned with what the spiritual consequences are if you do commit suicide think of what the consequences have been for you regarding the way you feel about your life. Get a hold of your thoughts and realize these emotions for what they might be - a natural part of the grieving process. If you don't feel comfortable seeing a therapist, right now, buy books written by people who have experienced the loss you have. Losing a loved one to alzheimer's messes with your reality. (I bet their are books written about people grieving alzheimer-related deaths specifically as this loss, since you were looking after her - might bear its own unique way of grieving.)

A question for you, if you could have the life you envisioned right now or once envisioned, what would it look like? Even if none of these things are curently in your life start right there and keep your head up. For what it's worth, I don't know you, but I don't accept you not wanting to be here.

[seirwyn]

I know it sounds lame but try using the Law of attraction to improve your llife.
I also read about on a website called near-death.com that someone did commit suicide and she did end up in a dark place but God rescued her. I think that what happens to people who commit suicide goes on a case by case basis. I think God gives people what they need in order to come back and live a good life.
At the moment I wouldnt recommend it but Im no expert!!

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Please don't make any rash decisions. Remember the choice is final, and there's no turning back once it is done. You only get one life to live,. Trust me your life is not devoid of purpose; you just haven't found it yet.

I have read of people who have come back

[emeadow]

While this won't be an answer in full to your question about consequences in the afterlife, couple items for thought based on my experiences from both ends of the spectrum:

First, my brother committed suicide little over three years ago now, and we still believe he is hovering around (best way I can describe it). Couple of random events, some dreams from folks, there is just something not 100% 'complete' there. One of the dreams he was found telling a person that he wasn't done yet, he had things to do, and he could not go. The person who had this particular dream, was actually not close to him, she married a good friend of his after his death.

Now, its up to interpretation if these are manifestations of imagination from the people experiencing them, but all the same, there is a strong feeling of truth that rings inside me. Just to let you know, my perspective of the situation is far from grieving for him, I am sad at times that he does not get to experience this cycle of life right now and that I do not get to experience it with him at this moment, but I am at peace with the events, knowing he will be back again some day to experience the physical all over, hopefully with more joy.

So there seems to be in his case, a possible incompleteness to his suicide, that he is not completely free from his attachments here.

The second offering I have, is from the perspective of surviving the period of time where I was suicidal. I probably spent over a decade residing in a world of self created pain and lack of want to continue. Essentially a third of my life wishing I did not exist any longer. Purely by changing my thought patterns, I am now in a state of happiness I could have never imagined during my depression. This was not an overnight change by any means, and it was not from medications (although i will say they have their place to help bring some people to a better place to make sound decisions). I have spent more of my adult life depressed then happy, but knowing what I do now, I am entirely glad I chose to continue to experience this life. While I would never wish the feelings on anyone that create the lack of energy to continue living, I am thankful for where they have brought me, and how much more I appreciate my current state. I am stronger because of it, and proud that even though I was not aware of it at the time, I ended up chosing to battle my mental demons.

As much as I blamed my state on others, my family, my friends (or lack there of), my fiance at the time, my finances, my inherited mental problems (my mothers side of the family has a long history of bipolar disorder)......even though I am happy now, none of those factors I blamed before has changed. My family is still not supportive, I am still with my now husband (although our relationship is very different), and I still have the genetic predisposition for mental imbalance. The only component that has changed in all this is me.

You are the thoughts you run through your mind, and you have 100% control of those thoughts even if you are not aware of it. Even if it feels like you have no choice, you truly do.

I send you joy and peace....and hope.

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by emeadow

While this won't be an answer in full to your question about consequences in the afterlife, couple items for thought based on my experiences from both ends of the spectrum:.<snip>..I send you joy and peace....and hope.

5-star post. You're a good egg for sure...

About your brother...if he is hanging around he needs to be escorted to where he belongs. I don't think it's very pleasant for them at all to be stuck.

[MiBeloved]

a possible incompleteness to his suicide, that he is not completely free from his attachments here.


This is what happens to most people who commit suicide. They simply hang around in an adjacent astral plane of existence trying to associate with the people they knew on earth before the body died; trying to complete the incomplete tasks and duties. Eventually when their frustration wears away, they again take birth through some relative or friend, and they are confronted in life with the hassles of physical existence again.

The second offering I have, is from the perspective of surviving the period of time where I was suicidal. I probably spent over a decade residing in a world of self created pain and lack of want to continue. Essentially a third of my life wishing I did not exist any longer. Purely by changing my thought patterns, I am now in a state of happiness I could have never imagined during my depression. This was not an overnight change by any means, and it was not from medications (although i will say they have their place to help bring some people to a better place to make sound decisions). I have spent more of my adult life depressed then happy, but knowing what I do now, I am entirely glad I chose to continue to experience this life. While I would never wish the feelings on anyone that create the lack of energy to continue living, I am thankful for where they have brought me, and how much more I appreciate my current state. I am stronger because of it, and proud that even though I was not aware of it at the time, I ended up chosing to battle my mental demons


Too bad you did not explain the third offering which was how you gradually put some purpose in your life by developing a constructive life style, because it is more than just being happy and more than just creating constructive thought patters. You also would have had to put practical things into practice and develop confidence over time that you were a person of worth both to yourself and to others.
Anybody can read a book on positive thinking and dream up good thoughts but unless such thoughts are practical in the real world, it won’t give the real fulfillment and the person will remain frustrated. Good thoughts must also match reality or it won’t work.

[Gracestars]

Based on my understanding of karma you will most certainly receive 'bad' karma from committing suicide, although this doesn't mean punishment. That's not how karma works. Because suicide means that you have not learnt your particular lession in this lifetime, ie: overcoming/surviving whatever hardship it is that you feel you are currently experiencing, you will have to do it over again in your next lifetime - bad karma. How this manifests exactly is anyone's guess. However, you may, for example, have a close loved one who commits suicide and you will have to face all that pain that you caused your loved ones in this lifetime.

I'm sorry to hear your so unhappy, I really believe anyone can overcome depression with the right help and mindset. Whether you will have bad karma next time around or otherwise, you have this life now, and it is precious. I really hope you can learn to enjoy it. And then you'll have an even better life in your next life!

[emeadow]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

Too bad you did not explain the third offering which was how you gradually put some purpose in your life by developing a constructive life style, because it is more than just being happy and more than just creating constructive thought patters. You also would have had to put practical things into practice and develop confidence over time that you were a person of worth both to yourself and to others.

If I had a clear understanding of the practical application that brought me to this point, I would offer it.

I do know that I came to the conclusion that I had a right to be just as happy and healthy as everyone else, and later in my path, that I was going to fight for that.

I made a decision that suicide, no matter how appealing at the time, was not something I could inflict on my family. I could imagine their pain I would cause, and no matter what I was going through, I could not pass my pain on to them (ironic that pain still occurred in the end, just not from my doing). But that was the thought I grasped to remain here, and gradually I found things I wanted to fight for. I grew angry that everyone else could be happy and physically healthy and I could not. Anger turned to energy to fight. Energy to fight turned into constant research, exploring, and experimenting with new ideas. I did not know what I was doing, nor where I was going, but I did know I wasn't going to accept life in the state I was in. So I was determined to change it, and I still am.

One visual I always keep with me, is that if I had enough 'energy' in my head to send it down a path that brought me to such a dark and negative place, what could I do with that energy if I figured out how to direct it in a productive path?

This is all pretty individual though, I have never sat down and generalized my process to a point of practical application. My curiosity is probably a big key in moving me forward, the 'what if' that always runs through my head. Trial and error and a patient husband have brought me to my current state (and a whole'lotta google thrown in).

[MiBeloved]

One visual I always keep with me, is that if I had enough 'energy' in my head to send it down a path that brought me to such a dark and negative place, what could I do with that energy if I figured out how to direct it in a productive path?

This is all pretty individual though, I have never sat down and generalized my process to a point of practical application. My curiosity is probably a big key in moving me forward, the 'what if' that always runs through my head. Trial and error and a patient husband have brought me to my current state (and a whole'lotta google thrown in).


Very revealing. Thanks

[bluestar]

I don't believe you want suicide. I believe you want CHANGE. Only, having tried so many ways in the past to make some change happen, and it didn't work, you feel death would be the only way to change things.
You sound tired. You sound like someone who has pushed a truckload of right beliefs, right behaviour, right ways, uphill for a long time, seen no rewards for that, so are giving up? You see people who do wrong 'get on' in the world, and then you, who has lived by right ways, are doing badly in work-life and social life?
Is there anything in this world that you feel for? Even the smallest thing....? Could you love a dog, for example? Could you get into astronomy, or writing stuff, or painting, or anything at all, whatever it might be? Never mind for now about relationships, just think "Is there anything, whatever it might be, that I am at all interested in, and never mind anyone else"

I kind of feel that there IS something living inside you, which COULD be passionate about something life has to offer. You just haven't had that button pushed yet. And your looking after your Nan was a kind and selfless thing to do. But I know how mind and energy-consuming that can be: caring for an older person, especially someone with Alzheimer's developing at the time you were looking after her. You wouldn't have had much time to think about yourself, your talents, your needs. You wouldn't have had much time to discover that something deep inside you can be interested in SOMETHING, give energy and passion to SOMETHING whatever that may be.

I really feel you believe yourself to be such a failure, stuck in such a rut, that the only way to change that is by dying. Maybe that is not true at all! If your Nan could speak to you from the 'Other Side', what do you think she'd say to you? Probably "Thanks....thanks for giving so much to me...thank you for helping me and being my friend as well as my grandchild. You really made my last years happier."
That wouldn't be the eulogy of a failure, now would it?