|07-12-2009, 12:35 PM||#31 (permalink)|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Isle of Avalon
I think that it is important to try and understand all that you can about incarnation and suicide before you would decide to check out of this amazing journey that you signed up for.
|07-12-2009, 03:01 PM||#32 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jul 2009
“I just want peace through nothingness.” This is very profound and a beautiful desire.
I know you’re suffering, but through this suffering you can get peace through nothingness. But this is fulfilled in life, not in death.
I have suffered through depression often. I would have ended my life, but I Knew there would be consequences. Namely, in some shape or form, “I”, or the unfulfilled energies within me, would have to come back! The thought of this- even just the possibility of this being true, was enough to keep me here. Was enough to continue living. I found it very frightening to think I might have to do this all again!
The hardest time of my life was in my twenties. Hang in there, it gets BETTER.
I totally agree with you about the nice and good people get the shaft, while the mean and selfish people get what they want. How many times have I said, “This is NOT FAIR!” “This is NOT RIGHT!” How come I can barely pay the rent, while that greedy guy is buying his second yacht????
The truth is, we are the lucky ones, and this is realized as we walk on.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE. There is a whole bunch of us who are in the same boat as you are.
We need you!
Something that might help for now is doing something helpful for something else. Like animals. Or plants. Or even people. This gets our focus off of ourselves some, and is also needed. Even walking a dog is helpful, and gives a purpose to our life, and is beneficial.
When we're in your twenties, we tend to think mostly about ourselves and our happiness or our misery. When we step out of yourself a little, the rewards are great.
I truly understand, Adam, but there IS consequences to suicide. Years from now you will look back and be so grateful that you did not do this.
What you want- “peace through nothingness”- is found while living, not in death of the body.
Realizing peace through nothingness is why we are alive. Suicide is not surrender. We are here to surrender- to surrender to what is in this moment. This is how we realize peace through nothingness. And this is the end of suffering.
You are loved,
|07-12-2009, 10:03 PM||#33 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Just wanted to say that where you are now, is where you will be if you commit suicide. Nothing really changes, you just find yourself on the other side, probably feeling depressed and suicidal still. I can't confirm this with personal experience but it just makes sense, doesn't it? Your energy field and your chakras stay where they are, just outside of a physical body. All the really low, dark energies of depression and wanting to end life will still be there, until you consciously make a decision to challenge all that negativity and clear it from your system. That's really all it takes: to say no to what you're experiencing, and to consciously choose to change it. Death is just a cop-out, and a lousy one at that -- nothing really changes.
All you need to do, is to treat this as a problem, and seek to find working answers for yourself.
Some things you can try:
-- satsang ("holy company") with spiritual people, friends, pastors, etc.
-- going to church, even if you aren't religious
-- finding things you enjoy doing, and do them more often!
-- praying to God to give you strength to surrender the depression/suicidal tendencies
-- praying/asking to be shown the lesson for this depression
-- consciously experiencing the low energies, and instead of trying to run away from them, consciously confront them and you'll notice that it'll slowly disappear bit by bit.
-- meditation...as Josey said, peace of nothingness is found in life, and easily through meditation.
-- shifting your attention to being the victim/experiencer of the depression, to being the witness/container of the depression. Objectively watch yourself suffer...and then you realize you are not the one who is suffering. Once you can feel yourself as the container, as the awareness that is bigger than the depression, it doesn't feel bad anymore. This is an easy way to transcend anything you don't want to feel
|08-01-2009, 03:30 AM||#34 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Somewhere in the cycle
|08-02-2009, 06:25 PM||#35 (permalink)|
Join Date: Aug 2009
There are few who directly see what is going to happen to person committing suicide. All spiritually developed cultures do not see it as a way to go (apart of “suicide” of high developed monk or yogi who himself stops his heart beating in full awakened status with high spirit and in right time – not in the young age usually).
What is said is that prevailing state or mood is a leading force to the next life. Thus if you feel depressed you can guess how it can end up. You most probably end up somewhere where to be depressed is a natural state of beings. They also say that the very last man on the Earth has unimaginably better life that the king from “underworld”. Does it exist? Would you like to check yourself really?
The human being has a great freedom – by your will you can squeeze out of yourself better mood. Do not you wait for a reason to have one. We are often sad having no real reason. Why not to be happy without having a special reason? Walk, try to find around nice things, singing bird, bubling brook, sunny day, laughing kids, colorful flower – you name it. Do any kind of activity. Help someone, help yourself. Do not be passive since this is killing force itself.
If there is something making you happy, give it first thought at the morning and last one before you fall asleep. There are many proverbs expressing that alike things are gravitating. And again spirituality all around the world is pointing the fact that God, Absolute, Nature forces helps you to be in the mood you like to be. Depressed? Nature will arrange situation for you to be. If you will give it a try and will change slowly your mood, your environment will change as well. Is it an easy task? No, definitely not. Is it worth? O man, you can bet that it will pay you back every second of the effort you will put in it. Help yourself with pray if you can – pray to God, to Nature, to your higher self, you choose – pray to be happy, do not give precondition or do not specify it. Use everything, but do not let your life go to find out too late what a mistake it was. And – do not cry and feel sorry about yourself in how bad situation you are.
Good luck :-)
|08-03-2009, 08:36 AM||#36 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Devon, England
I have studied many of the old and new teachers (Seth, Abraham et al) for years and years and it is my absolute and convicted belief that there would be no punishment meted out to anyone because they chose to take their own life. Who is going to punish us? Who is going to decide that we should be punished for suicide?
There is no-one 'in charge', making decisions about what is right or wrong, whether we've been good or bad, and whether we should be rewarded or punished. No-one - NO-ONE - makes decisions about our lives except us. WE ARE IN CHARGE. WE GET TO CHOOSE ALL OUR EXPERIENCES!
BUT (and it's a big one ) - it's my belief that we create our own realities (through our beliefs and expectations) both here in physical AND in the 'afterlife' (which of course is also the 'beforelife').
If I really, really believe that there will be consequences for taking my own life, and I therefore feel unhappy about doing it, feel bad and guilty etc. - but do it anyway - then it doesn't take much imagination to realise that I'm going to be as unhappy afterwards as I was before. It's not punishment, or karma, or somebody making me 'pay' - it's me beating myself up in exactly the same way 'up there' as I was doing in the physical world!
You mentioned that your nan had Alzheimers: Abraham explains Alzheimers as a kind of 'one foot in physical, one foot in spirit' situation. Abraham explains that people who choose such a condition don't feel that they can leave physical yet, so they kind of go 'part time': physically still here, but mostly already back in the spirit realms. It makes sense, if you think about it.
All deaths are suicide, inasmuch as we each decide when it is 'time to return'. We chose to come here, we choose when to go. Even 'accidents' are not accidents. We were not sent here to learn lessons, like naughty schoolchildren. We have chosen to come here because it's a physical experience, because we wanted to expand the Universe with our experiences, we wanted DO PHYSICAL STUFF!
We almost certainly chose to experience things we wanted to find out more about - to learn how it would feel, to know how it would play out - and we will have factored those in to our experiences in this lifetime. BUT NO-ONE TOLD US WE HAD TO! It was entirely our choice and we made that choice happily and joyfully. I do not believe that we get 'sent back' to learn lessons we didn't learn this time round. We might CHOOSE to come back and experience something, or learn something, but it will be done because the idea gives us pleasure, not pain, and because we WANT to.
You sound to be very unhappy and very confused. Can I suggest that you do some reading (I absolutely and unreservedly recommend the books and recordings by Esther and Jerry Hicks - the book 'The Astonishing Power of Your Emotions' would be a good place to start.) You could also watch some of the Abraham videos on YouTube, or go to their website and download their introductory MP3 (which is free). I recommend them because their messages are uplifting and utterly positive, but make complete sense. I have never been able to read, listen to, or watch Esther channelling Abraham without feeling uplifted!
You can't jump from a place of feeling unhappy and confused to a place of happiness and joy in a single leap, but if I were in your shoes, I would postpone ideas of suicide for a while and spend some time finding ways to begin to feel a little bit better first. Find a coach or a mentor perhaps, someone you can talk to and discuss your fears with, who can help you to work your way through this.
The world out there is a mirror of your beliefs and ideas about yourself. It seems that you want more love, more kindness, more warmth, more happiness - and it's out there waiting for you, you just need to remember how to let it in. We can get very 'off course', and sometimes we need help to get back on track. The help is out there as well - just ask, and it will come to you. Look at the help you got here!
Another site you might find interesting is another favourite of mine, nderf.org. It is thousands of accounts of near death experiences from around the world, and there are a few that are from people who tried suicide (which obviously didn't work!) But it's a fascinating site and will confirm what I have said above: ain't no-one out there telling you off, there's just you. Start by loving yourself.
|08-04-2009, 03:44 PM||#37 (permalink)|
Join Date: Aug 2009
Life is a big ****ing joke anyway, I can really understand why you want to commit suicide. I am really close too.. Don't fall for the 'talk-to-someone' trick.
It will only cost you a great fortune and won't do anything for you.
My life is ruined from drugs, it ****ED me up good. I can never enjoy life again, I only have memories of how things was before I got high all the time..
As for the consequences in the afterlife, well maybe you where put on this earth to only live a short period of time. Maybe you are 'done' on planet earth?
If you have so many problems, wouldent it be better to have it all black? Feel nothing, hear nothing, see nothing. I know I WOULD LOVE it that way.
Suicide is OK..
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