Why do channelled books sometimes disagree?

[seirwyn]

I am quite interested in the 'wisdom from the other side' i.e. channeled books. But sometimes the stuff that people get just isnt true. Like prophecies for example. Sometimes they just dont happen. Or one book will say one thing and another book will say something else. Now I do realise that some things can often seem to contradict each other when in actual fact they dont, but sometimes there really does seem to be no way that both can be thye same.
My background teaching is that if something given isnt true then it muat be froim a bad source. However, I dont want to assume this and not read a book just because some of it isnt true. I want to know the truth aboutb this stuff.
How does information 'come out a bit wrong?' I dont want to credit it all to 'deceivibng spirits.' I know they are around but I dont want to be one of these paranoide religious people who credist everything they dont understand to the evil ones!!

[MichaelP]

"Deceiving spirits"? Perhaps you're making it harder than it has to be. What about "deceiving people"?

"I dont want to assume this and not read a book just because some of it isnt true. "

Don't deprive yourself of reading a book because you've been told that parts of it aren't true. Make up your own mind.

You're right - the same fact, stated from different perspectives and in different ways, can sound contradictory. And then there's the thing about subjective realities, alternative realities, on and on.

Part of your process of growth is to learn to distiguish your own Absolute Truth without judging others' Truth.

[GuideMySpirit]

From what I know about this it's because a lot of the information is based on the level of consciousness of the being that channeled the entity, or sometimes the entity can be negative.

[themaster]

You have to take the information you resonate with.. ignore what you don't.. I have studied on and off many channeled entities but only one or two thus far really have information I fully resonate with..

I was surprised to learn yesterday that Elias said that Kryon was buying into mass belief systems in some questions answered in 2002.. for rarely will you here channels talk about each other..

What channelers say is what I just told you above.. only go with message you resonate with.. that are of your truth.. don't follow messages that are not.. (many channelers are on record for being asked about contradictory info)

Prophecies are explained away easily by my favorite entity
"They are only a sensing of energy and the way things are going at the time"

If your being skeptical you can have a out.. with this

One thing I love about some channeled information is how good the prophecies have been right in predicting things like 9/11 or the it's the year 2000 scare etc.

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by GuideMySpirit

From what I know about this it's because a lot of the information is based on the level of consciousness of the being that channeled the entity, or sometimes the entity can be negative.

Yeah thats what I find so unsettling. Sometimes things arent what they seem and there is something very disturbing about trusting someone that seems good but isnt.

But these beings claim to be telling the truth and yet some of the info they give you [I]know[I] isnt true. In my upbringing I was told that this is because they are evil and want to deceive people. However, i think it is very unlikely that it is as clear cut as that. ALL channeleed information (and I mean from todays christian prophets who are supposed to be immune to deceiving spirits) has inconsistency. But parts of it are great and seem to be from the source of Love. But why would the source of truth lie? So there must be some reason -maybe the message gets a bit mixed up as it is coming through the astrtal plane or thoguht their brain or whatever?

[MichaelP]

It sounds as though if I tell you I channel a "spirit", you would automatically assume it's true and then try to figure out whether the "spirit" is good or evil.

ALWAYS begin from a place of knowing. Once you have a resource you trust, a teacher, a philosophy, whatever - who has never failed you... who you know speaks the (your) truth always, go from there. If you have a source who has nothing to gain by lying to you, you can use that source to bolster your decision whether to "believe" in something or not.

BTW, negative souls always will tell you the truth part of the time - that's how they can get you to believe their self-serving lies the rest of the time.

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Yeah thats what I find so unsettling. Sometimes things arent what they seem and there is something very disturbing about trusting someone that seems good but isnt.

But these beings claim to be telling the truth and yet some of the info they give you [I]know[I] isnt true. In my upbringing I was told that this is because they are evil and want to deceive people. However, i think it is very unlikely that it is as clear cut as that. ALL channeleed information (and I mean from todays christian prophets who are supposed to be immune to deceiving spirits) has inconsistency. But parts of it are great and seem to be from the source of Love. But why would the source of truth lie? So there must be some reason -maybe the message gets a bit mixed up as it is coming through the astrtal plane or thoguht their brain or whatever?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by MichaelP

ALWAYS begin from a place of knowing. Once you have a resource you trust, a teacher, a philosophy, whatever - who has never failed you... who you know speaks the (your) truth always, go from there. If you have a source who has nothing to gain by lying to you, you can use that source to bolster your decision whether to "believe" in something or not.

I agree..

Originally Posted by seirwyn

ALL channeleed information (and I mean from todays christian prophets who are supposed to be immune to deceiving spirits) has inconsistency.

I believe most of the inconsistency is.. "EGO" coming through.. but I digress I don't claim perfect knowledge on untrue channeled information.. I mainly ignore what I don't like.. I suggest you do the same.. that is the same advice we have already given you 3 times

[Parthon]

I doubt that these messages are coming from THE source of TRUTH, as you say. They are coming from A source which is closer to the truth than we are, but like us, spirits can be mistaken. The information being channelled will never be 100% true, the same as no human will ever be 100% correct. No one entity that isn't source can know 100% of the truth, it's just too large.

The errors are exactly that, mistakes. Now there are spirits that will try and lead you astray, but if most of the information is true, and the information sounds good, then it's probably not one of those entities. Those spirits are just doing the best they possibly can.

Why are you expecting 100% truth anyways? It's not the job of prophets and channellers to be 100% accurate. It's about them providing a pointer to the path, so that you may find the truth for yourself. Nothing anyone says will be 100% correct for you, ever, because you are as unique and individual as they are. Even if it's 99.9% true, there's still a 0.1% margin of error. That margin is where the best growth opportunities are.

[Andrew Brunelle]

The person who is channeling the message has something to do in how they interpret it. Someone who gets a feeling from a spirit may interpret it one way, while someone else may interpret it differently. Furthermore, people who channel have their own agendas and can take the message in whatever context they please

[Savage]

Just because info comes from non-physical entities doesn't mean the source is all-knowing. There are non-physical entities out there that know less about how the universe works than you do.

NPEs have a different perspective on many topics, but that doesn't mean they know all the secrets to life, the universe, and everything.

So of course they're not all going to agree, just as not all humans agree.

That said, there are some pretty interesting perspectives out there.

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by MichaelP

BTW, negative souls always will tell you the truth part of the time - that's how they can get you to believe their self-serving lies the rest of the time.

Yeah thats the thing. I hear stories about this-they start off helping people and then take over and spiritually abuse people. Thats what makes it so disturbing because who can you trust?

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Just because info comes from non-physical entities doesn't mean the source is all-knowing. There are non-physical entities out there that know less about how the universe works than you do.

NPEs have a different perspective on many topics, but that doesn't mean they know all the secrets to life, the universe, and everything.

So of course they're not all going to agree, just as not all humans agree.

That said, there are some pretty interesting perspectives out there.

Yeah I did consider this. I mean, we dont know everything so why should they?
But if its God who is being channeled then its a bit more confusing because God should know!

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by themaster

I agree..



I believe most of the inconsistency is.. "EGO" coming through.. but I digress I don't claim perfect knowledge on untrue channeled information.. I mainly ignore what I don't like.. I suggest you do the same.. that is the same advice we have already given you 3 times

I know I know! I do ignore what I dont like but I always want to know whether I am reading something by a being of Love or not. Even though malevolent entities might tell the truth sometimes, I still dont want any connnection with them because I might pick up their bad energy and it just feels unsettling to trust something that intends harm.

[seirwyn]

Originally Posted by Parthon

I doubt that these messages are coming from THE source of TRUTH, as you say. They are coming from A source which is closer to the truth than we are, but like us, spirits can be mistaken. The information being channelled will never be 100% true, the same as no human will ever be 100% correct. No one entity that isn't source can know 100% of the truth, it's just too large.

The errors are exactly that, mistakes. Now there are spirits that will try and lead you astray, but if most of the information is true, and the information sounds good, then it's probably not one of those entities. Those spirits are just doing the best they possibly can.

Why are you expecting 100% truth anyways? It's not the job of prophets and channellers to be 100% accurate. It's about them providing a pointer to the path, so that you may find the truth for yourself. Nothing anyone says will be 100% correct for you, ever, because you are as unique and individual as they are. Even if it's 99.9% true, there's still a 0.1% margin of error. That margin is where the best growth opportunities are.

Im not so concerened wth whether its true or not but rather if the source is good. I really dont mind if a helpful angel doesnt get it quite right-as long as its from the source of Love. Thats what Im really concerned with

[GuideMySpirit]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Yeah thats what I find so unsettling. Sometimes things arent what they seem and there is something very disturbing about trusting someone that seems good but isnt.

But these beings claim to be telling the truth and yet some of the info they give you [I]know[I] isnt true. In my upbringing I was told that this is because they are evil and want to deceive people. However, i think it is very unlikely that it is as clear cut as that. ALL channeleed information (and I mean from todays christian prophets who are supposed to be immune to deceiving spirits) has inconsistency. But parts of it are great and seem to be from the source of Love. But why would the source of truth lie? So there must be some reason -maybe the message gets a bit mixed up as it is coming through the astrtal plane or thoguht their brain or whatever?

That's why you have your Higher Self guiding you and once you trust into your intuition, which everyone can begin at different rates, they can actually understand what is true and what is not.

For some one truth is true for them because their consciousness is on that level of understanding, so in order for them to progress they must live through that before evolving.

For you on the other hand you might be above that stage, and to you that will no longer be 'true' and you are beyond that point of enlightening in your being. Your consciousness now understands from a much higher state, that others take for lies.

[seirwyn]

Yeah I guess truth does unfold like that

[Terri Powell]

I've studied lots of channeled material and the best explanation of the discrepancies between the messages that I have found is from The Wonders channeled by Rene Gaudette.

The Wonders say there are two factors that influence the message delivered.
1. The amount of filters (beliefs, judgments) that the channeler has.
2. The source of the information (singular, group or collective consciousness)

The Wonders provide a model of the universe consisting of 32 dimensions where we are on the 3rd dimension and god/goddess/the-all-that-is resides on the 32nd. No dimension is better than or less than another just a different experience. The higher the dimension, the broader and more inclusive the consciousness.

1 - 12 dimensions are based on singular consciousness
13 - 17 dimensions have a group consciousness
18 - 31 dimensions have a collective consciouness

Many channelers 'source' is from the group consciousness level. Two that I know are on the collective levels are The Wonders (29th dimension) and Abraham (Abraham-Hicks).

Hope that helps Seirwyn!
Terri

[Anagogy]

I have to agree with Terri.

As many channelers will tell you, they don't exactly receive the communication in English. Rather, it is received in the universal language of intent, and then expressed in a linear symbols system format, otherwise known as "language". For example, the being Abraham channeled by Esther Hicks works in this fashion.

This can cause many discrepancies as we oftentimes hold different meanings for the same "things". Its like we're all walking around with slightly different dictionaries in our heads.

Occasionally, channeled beings will actually deliver the message in our own cultural language, rather than using the channeler as a "translator". An example would be the Ra material, channeled by Carla Rueckart. Ra was a social memory complex with an amazing grip of the English language.

When the entity is being filtered through the human ego, the information can be warped around the channeler's dominant cultural paradigm, or belief system. In completely unconscious trance channeling, this is not necessarily the case, as can be seen in the work of Edgar Cayce. Early on, Cayce was not an advocate of reincarnation, yet while unconscious, he was very adamant about its reality. So from this, we can see how information not consonant with a given individuals egoic beliefs can be slipped through the net, provided the ego structure is temporarily "offline". But even so, the information channeled by Cayce had a decidedly christian flavor to it, even with its gnostic overtones.

Another factor that can account for discrepancies is just plain deception on the part of the beings channeled. Its important to understand that not all sources are the "love and light" variety. Consciousness is not limited to beings with service to others orientations. Discernment is extremely important when it comes to channeling. There are "service to self" channels that can be "tuned" into. There are beings on the astral plane that like to play the role of the "enlightened master", and even though they may have some interesting insights, their "spiritual ego" prevents them from raising their vibration to more refined levels of enlightenment.

And as Terri mentioned above, if the being channeled is an individual, there may be discrepancies as we are dealing with one beings particular viewpoint. With a social memory complex, or group of beings who have unified there memory bank, in effect creating a collective consciousness, the information is more likely to be accurate as we are receiving the tail end of a massive synthesis of highly intelligent energies coming together for the purpose of seeking knowledge and service.

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by seirwyn

Yeah thats the thing. I hear stories about this-they start off helping people and then take over and spiritually abuse people. Thats what makes it so disturbing because who can you trust?

They'll whisper in your ear, and if you listen and engage them, bingo - they've got their hooks in you and you're a tasty power source of negative energy.

Negative entity attachments are the cause of probably 90% of human suffering and misdirection. Many, many people have them. I love to send them packing.