Pure Awareness,Creation,Creator,Individual Awareness

[Jack]

Pure Awareness is source of all creation,so does pure awareness create everything we see?Or is it just a source and individual awareness/consciousness creates-manifests from pure awarenes,solidify the pure awareness?Is pure awareness only the substance and individual awareness/consciousness creator-manifester?

[themaster]

Woah.. what's with the techno-babble? how about you translate that into english.. I know a lot of spiritualist words/ideas but it doesn't have to be written in 'old english' to understand, ehh??

Here's my question for yah.. why do you want to know?

I mean, there's nothing wrong with knowledge.. but what is the strive to answer all these questions.. you want to be a philosopher?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Jack

Pure Awareness is source of all creation,so does pure awareness create everything we see?Or is it just a source and individual awareness/consciousness creates-manifests from pure awarenes,solidify the pure awareness?Is pure awareness only the substance and individual awareness/consciousness creator-manifester?

Awareness of consciousness in pure creation/manifestation purifies individual seeing of manifested source consciousness developed from fear based individual wave functions coalescing from universal oneness through all that are of pure awareness in the nowness of all that is in a constant fractal feedback loop through which all beings know one as substance manifested through individuated points of view that touch infinite vibratory frequencies of self recursive revelations tossing out hierarchies as there are none in one while everything we see is just that and nothing more other than now when source individual awareness comes through the I that is now that has no identification of personal nature viewed and interpreted by thoughts like noise that are not to be believed or doubted only known as is and continue on as one without needing but still desiring to be perfect in our perceived flaws which is already true but we forget all this.

[Jack]

Wolfgang,your answer is a bit too technical for me. I was looking for a simpler answer.

[juice43]

I really don't understand any of what this means...

Does anyone mind replying and like summarizing more simply.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Jack

I was looking for a simpler answer.

Try asking a simple question.. what is it you wish to know?

Originally Posted by juice43

I really don't understand any of what this means...

Does anyone mind replying and like summarizing more simply.

Ohh.. alright I can give it a try.. I feel as I stated the question needs to be re-written better but I'll try..

Pure Awareness is source of all creation,so does pure awareness create everything we see?

Oih.. let's see shall I define the idea of "Pure Awareness" I guess if one were pure awareness and I mean 100% they would see everything about this illusion of reality and there power in it.. I have never achieved such a state in my ego based memory that I remember..

Pure Awareness is seing yourself as source of all creation? Is that what you mean..

so does pure awareness create everything we see?

I think the answer is definitly no by my understanding there is a idea called "Reality Generation Circuit" this explains how are reality is created.. the only way this could be correct I think is if it's a match up for the idea I outlined above and I don't recgonize it as such..

Or is it just a source and individual awareness/consciousness creates-manifests from pure awarenes,solidify the pure awareness?

Is pure awareness only the substance and individual awareness/consciousness creator-manifester?

You see your explanations and words.. are just complicated and complicated my mind.. your terms just don't match how I see it and therefore answering your question makes it complex or too out of the way..

Listen I understand there is a lovy-dovy philosphers way to understand the universe.. where you use complex words and ideas.. but I like down to earth, reality based ideas and words and therefore if you can't re-write your questions.. I choose not to answer..

[Jack]

Or is it just a source and individual awareness/consciousness creates-manifests from pure awarenes,solidify the pure awareness?

Is pure awareness only the substance and individual awareness/consciousness creator-manifester?

You see your explanations and words.. are just complicated and complicated my mind.. your terms just don't match how I see it and therefore answering your question makes it complex or too out of the way..

Listen I understand there is a lovy-dovy philosphers way to understand the universe.. where you use complex words and ideas.. but I like down to earth, reality based ideas and words and therefore if you can't re-write your questions.. I choose not to answer..

What I mean in that words is,the idea that pure awareness is unlimited potential,and consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness) solidifies the unlimited potential ,makes it a perceivable reality.All possibilities exist simultaneously.I mean Quantum physics(I don't know much about Quantum Physics,and I may be wrong)Is this model right?That's why I am asking if pure awareness is just substance(I mean it is unlimited potential, everything is made of unlimited potential,so pure awareness is substance).I am asking which is the manifestor-creator, is it pure awawareness(unlimited potential) or consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness)?

I think it still looks complicated I couldn't correct my words much but I think someone who is familiar with Quantum Physics may understand what I mean.
I am asking if this model is right for Quantum Physics,and also if this creator-manifester model in Quantum Physics is same in philosophy(Advaita Vedanta).

Wolfgang,could you divide your sentences,it is a bit too much long sentence.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Jack

What I mean in that words is,the idea that pure awareness is unlimited potential,and consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness) solidifies the unlimited potential ,makes it a perceivable reality.All possibilities exist simultaneously.I mean Quantum physics(I don't know much about Quantum Physics,and I may be wrong)Is this model right?That's why I am asking if pure awareness is just substance(I mean it is unlimited potential, everything is made of unlimited potential,so pure awareness is substance).I am asking which is the manifestor-creator, is it pure awawareness(unlimited potential) or consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness)?

I think it still looks complicated I couldn't correct my words much but I think someone who is familiar with Quantum Physics may understand what I mean.
I am asking if this model is right for Quantum Physics,and also if this creator-manifester model in Quantum Physics is same in philosophy(Advaita Vedanta).

Wolfgang,could you divide your sentences,it is a bit too much long sentence.

Don't know Quantum Physics.. I guess I would say "I could care less".. surprisingly wolfgang's thing is kind of read-able and understandable.. (more than yours.. I half heartily think maybe he's joking.. maybe not)

I can answer questions like these.. (maybe) but do to your terminology unless you want to change the question.. I'm not going to answer..

Why are we here?
How is this reality created?
Does the past exist?
What's the point?
How does the self divide?
How does re-incarnation work?
Were there choices made before physical manifestation?
Do we create our own reality?
and more..

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

What I mean in that words is,the idea that pure awareness is unlimited potential,and consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness) solidifies the unlimited potential ,makes it a perceivable reality.All possibilities exist simultaneously.I mean Quantum physics(I don't know much about Quantum Physics,and I may be wrong)Is this model right?That's why I am asking if pure awareness is just substance(I mean it is unlimited potential, everything is made of unlimited potential,so pure awareness is substance).I am asking which is the manifestor-creator, is it pure awawareness(unlimited potential) or consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness)?

I think it still looks complicated I couldn't correct my words much but I think someone who is familiar with Quantum Physics may understand what I mean.
I am asking if this model is right for Quantum Physics,and also if this creator-manifester model in Quantum Physics is same in philosophy(Advaita Vedanta).

The way I see it is:

• What you are calling "pure awareness" (the unlimited potential) I prefer to call "Intelligent Infinity".
  
• At the level of intelligent infinity, there is no difference between potential and kinetic.
  
• This infinity radiates outward from a central area, but not 3-dimensionally, its more like an "inner space".
  
• From the relative frame (our frame of reference), there appear to be vibrational stratum, similar to a rainbow, with differing wave-lengths of energy that can be perceived visually as color.
  
• The lower the vibrational plane, the less communication with the whole there is and the more apparent duality will be (that is, an observable difference between "potential" and "kinetic").
  
• Everything is consciousness focused in different ways.
  
• We are not manifestors, we are "discriminators" or "filters" in a stream of infinitely expanding variety.
  
• Everything in existence is actually formless awareness, but our identity structures distort the intelligent energy and cause it to appear to have form. Our egos are similar to prisms that separate white light into the seven basic colors. The world of form is a refraction or distortion of "pure light".

So to answer the question:

which is the manifestor-creator, is it pure awawareness(unlimited potential) or consciousness(limited awareness-individual awareness)?

Everything is a manifestation of the unlimited potential -- the absolute.

You exist within it. But limitations are necessary in order to distort/shape pure light. So you have that power, to distort the light however you may, through your chosen individuated perspective. You can perceive things as you will. And when you tire of that cosmic sandbox, you will seek to resolve the distortions in your individuated consciousness and return to the absolute -- the one.

And then you may possibly choose to explore a new infinity of patterns/distortions.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by vader

I like to consider that it's really, really simple, really easy and really small.......the universe and everything that seems to be in it. The funny thing about the universe and everything in it, is that you're only ever really aware of a tiny piece of it at any one time.

And that's all that exists

And you're back again.

[Jack]

Thanks for answers.

Anagogy,nice explaining.Wolfgang's answer was good too but a bit too technical for me and a bit too long sentence.Anagogy,when you say "intelligent energy" do you mean "intelligent infinity/pure awareness",are you using them in same meaning or is "intelligent energy" different from "intelligent infinity"?

Originally Posted by themaster

Don't know Quantum Physics.. I guess I would say "I could care less".. surprisingly wolfgang's thing is kind of read-able and understandable.. (more than yours.. I half heartily think maybe he's joking.. maybe not)

I can answer questions like these.. (maybe) but do to your terminology unless you want to change the question.. I'm not going to answer..

Why are we here?
How is this reality created?
Does the past exist?
What's the point?
How does the self divide?
How does re-incarnation work?
Were there choices made before physical manifestation?
Do we create our own reality?
and more..

I thought pure awareness as unlimited potential,and consciousness/limited awareness cause this unlimited potential to look like it has form.When I said "consciousness solidifies pure potential" I meant that.This was my mixture of a few texts I've read.It's simple but seems like I couldn't explain it simple.I am a bit confused of those texts.

Then a question to you themaster,how is this reality created,what do you believe?

Also,to people who know about Quantum Physics,is the analogy of Quantum Physics same with other reality creation texts?I feel like there is a contradiction.Because Anagogy said that we are filters not creators,but in some texts I read that we are creators/creator,so is there a contradiction between Quantum Physics and some other reality creation texts?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Anagogy,when you say "intelligent energy" do you mean "intelligent infinity/pure awareness",are you using them in same meaning or is "intelligent energy" different from "intelligent infinity"?

Intelligent infinity is pure potential. Tapping this potential yields work which I call "intelligent energy". To me, pure awareness is unity or oneness. In unity, there is no difference between potential and kinetic, no distortions of any kind whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Jack

Also,to people who know about Quantum Physics,is the analogy of Quantum Physics same with other reality creation texts?I feel like there is a contradiction.Because Anagogy said that we are filters not creators,but in some texts I read that we are creators/creator,so is there a contradiction between Quantum Physics and some other reality creation texts?

You will find contradictions all over the place.

When I said we are filters rather than creators, it was more to make you see things from a different perspective. Certainly we ARE creators. But people get confused about what that really means.

People think somethingness can come from nothingness, but I don't see it that way. Nothing has ever been created because it already existed within intelligent infinity. And it always will.

What we call creation is rather the selective forgetting of parts of infinity, which causes us to perceive a difference between the potential and kinetic. This is why I refer to us as filters or discriminators. We are selective sifters of reality. You could call that a form of creation. A more descriptive word would be "organizers" though.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Jack

Then a question to you themaster,how is this reality created,what do you believe?

Well, my teacher always gives out 4 laws..

1. You exist
2. The all is one, the one is all.
3. What you put out is what you get back.
4. Change is the only constant, except for the first 3 laws.

Now couple that in with the idea that physical reality is a limited game with forgetfulness..

It's my understanding that this reality is created through us as we are all apart of the one, we are experiencing ourselves from different viewpoints and taking that to the extreme with multiples selves and unlimited universes

I believe that this is most likely the case..

I believe this because this is the only model I've ever seen for a religion which is what I call "new age" which makes sense of every single thing that other "religions" just go.. "I dunno" or what I call the shoulder shrug..

I believe this because I am presented evidence via LOA.. as LOA is part of the process

I believe this because I receive additional types of communication..

Now there are tons of specifics about how reality is created through the self filtered through beliefs, emotions and action.. about the unconscious, the subconscious, the higher self, the oversoul and it goes on and on..

There are many rules in between here and there that I don't claim the greatest understanding off.. but I believe with investigation of any subject the rules can be found/understood, I therefore adopt my religious or theoretical model and am constantly testing it, learning more about it and using it to achieve my own goals..

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[Jack]

Anagogy,a form,for example,a television,is a television limited awareness/consciousness or does a television have limited awareness/consciousness?Is it or does it have limited awareness?Is a form limited awareness and a manifestation of pure awareness?(I'm a bit confused)

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Anagogy,a form,for example,a television,is a television limited awareness/consciousness or does a television have limited awareness/consciousness?

All form, including the television, is a crystallization of the energy of consciousness. Matter is like frozen energy. You could say all consciousness is "pure" until some kind of "discrimination" is introduced to it. A discrimination being anything that introduces a kind of segregation or separation into the mix. The word "pure" implies homogeneity. Forms like a piano, a shoe, a screw driver, or TV are not homogenized, they are specific, and have various parts and characteristics, yet their existence arises from the introduction of distortions into the basic and pure homogeneity of oneness.

You see, in order for something to have form, it has to have a back drop, something to make it separate from the whole. So if you have one "thing", you have to have another opposite "thing" to give it contrast. If you have white, you have to have black (or some approximation of it), to distinguish it. When white and black are fused perfectly, they cancel each other out and you have clear. The clear is analogous to a pure consciousness state. Its almost like an emptiness, or void, in a way, but a void that is pregnant with ALL potentiality.

Originally Posted by Jack

Is it or does it have limited awareness?Is a form limited awareness and a manifestation of pure awareness?(I'm a bit confused)

In pure awareness, there is oneness. In oneness, is everything that IS, and everything that IS NOT. They are the same in oneness. No difference whatsoever.

But when a schism occurs, a distortion in the flow of consciousness -- some parts of information not communicating with every other aspect of information, consciousness is no longer "pure" and undifferentiated. This is when "things" appear to exist. They are like refractions of celestial light.

It doesn't happen accidentally, consciousness chooses the experience of separation and differentiation.

Hope that helps answer some of your questions. Feel free to ask more questions.

[wolfgang]

busted - I was not really thinking about that post when I wrote it - just riffing with those kinds of words as a spoof.

and then somehow it seemed to make sense. weird. maybe thinking about these things is not what resolves the questions. like question the questions. ask what is asking these things. or who am I that needs to know this or that.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

busted - I was not really thinking about that post when I wrote it - just riffing with those kinds of words as a spoof.

and then somehow it seemed to make sense. weird. maybe thinking about these things is not what resolves the questions. like question the questions. ask what is asking these things. or who am I that needs to know this or that.

That's OK. At least you've go the bottle to say what you feel. I found elements in it quite poetic. A lot of people read these forums but they have not mustered up the courage to actually say anything, because they don't even know if they believe, or whether they should believe, in anything. They just read about what other people believe!

And ... it must be the longest sentence ever seen on this forum!

Awareness of consciousness in pure creation/manifestation purifies individual seeing of manifested source consciousness developed from fear based individual wave functions coalescing from universal oneness through all that are of pure awareness in the nowness of all that is in a constant fractal feedback loop through which all beings know one as substance manifested through individuated points of view that touch infinite vibratory frequencies of self recursive revelations tossing out hierarchies as there are none in one while everything we see is just that and nothing more other than now when source individual awareness comes through the I that is now that has no identification of personal nature viewed and interpreted by thoughts like noise that are not to be believed or doubted only known as is and continue on as one without needing but still desiring to be perfect in our perceived flaws which is already true but we forget all this.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

busted - I was not really thinking about that post when I wrote it - just riffing with those kinds of words as a spoof.

and then somehow it seemed to make sense. weird. maybe thinking about these things is not what resolves the questions. like question the questions. ask what is asking these things. or who am I that needs to know this or that.

After I said that your answer is too technical for me I thought that you might be offended.Then I wrote that it was a good answer but too long.You still didn't reply and I thought that you were still offended.I started thinking about maybe I should write a private message and say that I didn't want to offend you.Now I feel relieved.

Cantando
And ... it must be the longest sentence ever seen on this forum!

Yeah

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

All form, including the television, is a crystallization of the energy of consciousness. Matter is like frozen energy.

Anagogy,after reading this I noticed that I don't know what is energy.What is energy?

Anagogy
Hope that helps answer some of your questions. Feel free to ask more questions.

Thanks.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Jack

Anagogy,after reading this I noticed that I don't know what is energy.What is energy?

Energy is the capacity for action. Whether it is kinetic or potential action -- it is the mechanism for change. And "change" is equal to "time". So when you have kinetic energy (like in the physical world), you have time as well.

In oneness, there is infinite potential energy for change. No limits. Pure awareness. But there is nothing to act upon also, except for the "self". There has to be a difference for potential energy to transform into the kinetic. And so, through the operation of will, the One becomes the two, and the two becomes the four, and four becomes the eight, and so on. Manyness occurs, and with this release of energy, many levels of time come into being as well.

All kinetic energy eventually returns to the potential however. All distortions are eventually resolved.

Now what I've told you isn't completely accurate, because all change is relative, which, as we discussed above is "time". Therefore, we've already returned to the one, and/or we've never left the one. All states of "change" exist concurrently on the cycle.

Is your mind turning into a pretzel yet?