Do dogs have souls??

[goldie lox]

Do dogs have souls? Do they go to heaven?

[Paul C]

Well, I can tell you this much:

The word dog backwards spells God.

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by goldie lox

Do dogs have souls? Do they go to heaven?

I hope not, I can't stand the wee bu99ers!!!

No offence to dog lovers....but they are vile things...give me a cat any day.

To ease your confusion Goldie...I presume dogs would have to have a consciousness about God to get into heaven. However I assume they don't, so maybe they get special expemtion and automatically get in.

But I don't really know the answer to this one? I know I would want my cat to get in.

G

[Erin Pavlina]

Animals have souls. Heaven is not a place but a state of being. When an animal dies it's consciousness goes to the ether just like ours.

During several of my readings I've had animals come through. It was a big shock to me the first time it's happened. Doesn't happen often, but has happened often enough.

[Joshiepoo3000]

This is not a sarcastic question, but what is the difference between a place and a state of being? A place is a location. A location can be either imaginary or exist. The imagination is real, but it does not exist. For a state of being are you talking about states of matter which would be solid, liquid, gas, and plasma? If that is the case, then if heaven were a state of matter, then heaven would exist. I know you are not saying heaven exists, because I don't think it does, but I am trying to get a clarity on what you are saying, Erin Pavlina.

To avoid thread-hijacking I ask Erin to answer my question in a new thread. I know dogs have souls, but what that soul is, I don't know. It is not obviously human, so it would make sense that they didn't go to a human heaven. Maybe animals are part of the material of heaven. Maybe they appear as they are needed or wanted. I wonder if a clone would go to heaven. Do clones have their own souls?

[Trina]

State of being could be happiness, sadness, desperation, peace, etc as well. It depends on what context you are using it in. :P

[Athena]

Are animal and human souls interchangeable?

And at what level do living things have souls.. if dogs do, do birds? insects? amoeba?


I saw a dvd on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and in one of the death ceremonies, the monk said that the man was a wild boar in his last life, and would be a bird in his next.

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by Athena

Are animal and human souls interchangeable?

And at what level do living things have souls.. if dogs do, do birds? insects? amoeba?


I saw a dvd on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and in one of the death ceremonies, the monk said that the man was a wild boar in his last life, and would be a bird in his next.

Think of every living form as a container. And consciousness as water.
Because water (consciousness) is without a fixed form it is able to fit any sized container (form/body). When the container is destroyed the water is then able to move back into the main body of water (source/god/One) and be redistributed into a new container. And because the ego is but a mental construct it's of no consequence when the identity/name of the container is destroyed.

So that being said, it's irrelevant if the 'soul' is that of a human or a dog. But, from what I've heard and read, it seems that human 'souls' appear to show up far more often to inform the 'souls' still within form than a dog or cat would care to. (?)

And as said, heaven is a state of being. Which means you don't need to discard your body to experience it here on earth.

That's it in a nutshell.

[Athena]

that's what I thought, except that it seems souls are differentiated even in the afterlife, which explains how ONE soul can experience multiple lives and retain that memory.

how does that fit in your model?


also in this thread it was said that souls are different from one another, they still retain their identity through all the changes in physical body and in the ether.

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by Athena

that's what I thought, except that it seems souls are differentiated even in the afterlife, which explains how ONE soul can experience multiple lives and retain that memory.

how does that fit in your model?


also in this thread it was said that souls are different from one another, they still retain their identity through all the changes in physical body and in the ether.

That's interesting isn't it? Even though I don't see the ego as a lasting presents, I do think that there are particular dominating qualities of each 'soul' that shine through the form of each creature. I suppose you could consider it the higher self. Where everything that is false about a person is stripped away when the ego is discarded.

But, on the other hand, I've heard many accounts of spirits that still appear to be very egoic in behavior when interacting with the living. Which would lead one to believe that the ego is capable of surviving beyond death before being dissolved, maybe it's just an old pattern, an enduring construct that identifies itself with the soul. Maybe the question is: What is the mind? because the ego is said to be produced by it. Many would claim that it is purely a product of the brain, but from what is been said about identities being preserved after death of the body does bring up a few more questions.

[Athena]

yea very interesting.

also, what about those accounts where people say that the 'spirits' look like the people when they were alive.. that would mean, material stuff, like their clothes and styling, and physical stuff, like their body. I thought we got rid of those things when we leave the Earth.

so confused

[Erin Pavlina]

When a psychic sees a deceased spirit they present the way we will recognize them, but they do not take those clothes or conditions with them.

When I go to find deceased people I find myself standing in a void with all this energy swirling around me. I politely ask if so-and-so would like to communicate with my client through me. I wait, and then an energy will coalesce from the swirling energy. It looks white and then it forms into a person, full with clothes and possibly evidence of how they died (like blood in a certain spot).

That is not how they look in the ether, but that is how they present to me so I can describe them to my client so they'll know who it is.

[icesar]

I'm not going to delve into the real question here, but when our dog looks at me full of love, or expresses joy or uncertainty or guilt or shame, it's hard to believe they don't

[Milo Riano]

All my elementary religion teachers taught us that animals have souls but they die together with the animal... At least, that's how I remember it...

[Athena]

Cool! Thanks Erin, that makes better sense now.

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

When a psychic sees a deceased spirit they present the way we will recognize them, but they do not take those clothes or conditions with them.

When I go to find deceased people I find myself standing in a void with all this energy swirling around me. I politely ask if so-and-so would like to communicate with my client through me. I wait, and then an energy will coalesce from the swirling energy. It looks white and then it forms into a person, full with clothes and possibly evidence of how they died (like blood in a certain spot).

That is not how they look in the ether, but that is how they present to me so I can describe them to my client so they'll know who it is.