Text Messages from Myself?

[Ted the Mighty]

Hey all,

I'm just stopping by to talk about something weird that's been happening to me. I keep receiving text messages with no content from the number 1111. The funny thing is that it happened after I read Mr. Pavlina's 11:11 article. It's been a couple of months and I've received three of these. Everyone I talk to just chalks it up to some kind of weird glitch.

I'd like to but quite frankly I think there's more (or maybe less) to it than that. Anyway, I thought that this was a good place to bring that up. Heck, maybe I got the messages just so I'd come here and bring it up. Anyhow, I think of myself as a savvy individual but this business has me confounded. Any conscious netizens out there care to share some thoughts?

[Holistic Star]

have you texted back


Hi btw!

[Ted the Mighty]

Hi to you, too. Actually, I've tried to text and call the number. The call puts me through to emergency services (111 is New Zealand's equivalent to 911) and to quote my reply text "Sorry- the service on 1111 is not available."

[Holistic Star]

That is officially weird!!!


I guess it means that someone is trying to get your attention. So you found your way to these boards. Marvellous. What's next!

[magic1]

I get it, I have had it for years, I totally understand it..... its has meaning, I am also a kiwi....PM me if you want to know.....

I also get 911

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Ted the Mighty

Hey all,

I'm just stopping by to talk about something weird that's been happening to me. I keep receiving text messages with no content from the number 1111. The funny thing is that it happened after I read Mr. Pavlina's 11:11 article. It's been a couple of months and I've received three of these. Everyone I talk to just chalks it up to some kind of weird glitch.

I'd like to but quite frankly I think there's more (or maybe less) to it than that. Anyway, I thought that this was a good place to bring that up. Heck, maybe I got the messages just so I'd come here and bring it up. Anyhow, I think of myself as a savvy individual but this business has me confounded. Any conscious netizens out there care to share some thoughts?

Could be LOA in action. You read about a number, think about it often, attract it, there it is. LOA is not about receiving messages, it's about your inner self creating "events" in the outer world.

I have been doing a lot of research on the number phenomenon after reading Steve's article. It seems it is a common thing and 11:11 or any double number is slightly more common. But it does happen with any numbers.

After reading about Tor Norretranders experiments and his conclusion that the human mind takes in 10 million bits of information per second (just visually, more from other senses)but we can only handle/process about 20 bits per second it's easy to see how a certain number can be seen all the time.
We see huge amounts of numbers ALL the time but if we red flag a certain number it stands out.
That is an old explanation but Tor has given it new meaning. His writings on consciousness are excellent.

I had the same experience with a number for 20 years or so. Seemed almost supernatural. Wayne Dyer had it with 18 (1=one God 8=infinite) if you turn the 8 on it's side it looks like a lemiscate, the tarrot card sign for infinity.

I don't know, I feel like the Universe can do better than - whispering, "psssst, hey you, look at that number!!...."

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

I don't know, I feel like the Universe can do better than - whispering, "psssst, hey you, look at that number!!...."

Maybe some of us are at the training-wheel stage

[joelr]

Heh, maybe.

I do think my seeing the same # and subsets of that # is a creation of my own. I think that if I program myself to red flag something, it's probably contained in that 10 million bits/second of information quite often.

But beyond that I have trouble with getting "signals" to look at a particular number or symbol or object that may contain a message. That actually goes against LOA. Remember LOA is uncaring, there is no-one sending messages. We know that because negative thoughts can also manifest. So the universe just follows your lead.
It's like a quantum computer. We are the creators. Computers don't send messages without being programmed to. They give you exactly what you ask for. They don't research symbolic shapes and display them often. Unless you program it. So with the Universe you would have to meditate often on seeing... numbers....often...I guess..?? I don't even know how the heck or why. Bleh.


Even for a beginner. If you're a beginner at creating wealth you might find a quarter. Not see 55 all day long. If I want love, I want a little signal to walk into a particular bar or wherever where I would then get a signal to approach the right person. That, is LOA. That takes no more energy than pointing out a number. I'd tell the Universe to go away and give a signal to someone sick who is looking for the right doctor if I actually believed seeing a number was a communication from an outside source. If I'm not intending numbers than any number sighting is non-relevant to my creation process.
The Universe already tells us where we are spiritually by simply observing what we have created to be our own private world.

Synchs are things that we have manifested that take us closer to our intentions. Not messages. If you are intending love and you run into an old high school crush, right at the exact time he/she is looking for love, and you end up in love, that's a synch. If I'm a beginner maybe suddenly I'll notice more people smiling at me.
If nothing happens, that's a "tell" that something is blocking the process. If I'm just seeing numbers that's still a tell that I'm not in alignment with my goals.


I think everyone has the same ability to manifest, it's just natural. Some haven't learned to direct it or to control negative beliefs enough to have everything they want. I can't find a place for "messages" in that model. It's hard to explain though.
You can see it also in some folks who seem to be masters at finding messages in numbers. With all that power they would surely have amazing synchs to tell of and manifestations to report. Usually all they have are numbers but no real life changes.
None of the wealthy LOA gurus have reported number things. All they have to show is lots of money, love, health and happiness


Maybe there is some other supernatural idea where we get messages from some...one, not in LOA. Everyone wants LOA and Quantum Physics to be connected. So go with that and not introduce supernatural elements into it.
Or do it if you like. I'm just sayin, that's why I don't do it. Yeah.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

None of the wealthy LOA gurus have reported number things. All they have to show is lots of money, love, health and happiness

I didn't mean to confuse you with my definition blurring, if that's what's happened. I don't consider my numbers or synchronicities to be proper manifestations. I did for a time think there might be special messages encoded in them somehow, but I've set that notion aside as well. I'm mainly using them to try to widen the crack in my doubt, prove to myself that my more limiting assumptions about 'reality' (particularly the ones I've been using to systematically doom myself) aren't necessarily correct. They're not the strongest paradigm-shattering experiences I've had, but they are far and away the most frequent.

My biggest current puzzle is how those darn bench swing springs relocated themselves, a tale recounted elsewhere. I don't have a history of hallucinations or delusional thinking, and I had a witness to boot.

[joelr]

Hmmm, I don't know about the bench? If it was a true vanishing act it is beyond the scope of LOA, which is more concerned with personal development than random supernatural events.

The term Synchronicity in LOA as far as I know is still under the same definition as Jungs original which events are meaningful but not casually related. In other words if you have some numbers in mind and start looking for them, finding them is not a synchronicity. You already have a casual relationship in mind. One can play internal games with numbers and get excited but it's not meaningful in the manifestation sense. Jung actually cautioned against relapse to the magical-causal thinking of the middle ages when thinking about synchs.



When you are meditating on family, friendship, love and financial freedom and you suddenly meet your new best friend who has a wealthy brother whom you fall in love with and marry into a nice family, that could be a synch

How to widen the crack? Read, listen to audio books. Constantly. Meditate, visualize, trust the process I suppose. When you get actual results that's the best way. Not numbers LOL. Can you imagine if Joe Vitale didn't have his hugely successful businesses or his zillion dollars? He just got up on stage and talked about seeing "11" a lot?

Or look at all your past beliefs and see if you can map out how all of the events you've experienced followed your deepest ideas about things. Negative or positive.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

Hmmm, I don't know about the bench? If it was a true vanishing act it is beyond the scope of LOA, which is more concerned with personal development than random supernatural events.

Leaving aside other questions raised by your response, better dealt with elsewhere if at all, does this mean you're among those of the opinion that I am always effectively employing LoA (and thus constantly able to employ it consciously) independent of belief?

If you have some numbers in mind and start looking for them, finding them is not a synchronicity. You already have a casual relationship in mind. One can play internal games with numbers and get excited but it's not meaningful in the manifestation sense. Jung actually cautioned against relapse to the magical-causal thinking of the middle ages when thinking about synchs.

Dang, I knew my 'squishy' use of terminology would bite me in the end

So, by your understanding, what was my experience of randomly choosing "U" as a target, then seeing it, as an upturned horseshoe, on a very strange cap hours later, and again in an unlikely context the night after? A sort of low-grade manifestation, a run-of-the-mill coincidence fortified by wishful thinking, or none of the above?

I'd ask the same about finding a quarter and five pennies in a group, followed by a few days of more individual pennies and quarters (and the occasional nickel/dime), during my all-too-brief post-Secret high. Since then it's been a drought, so I can't easily write that off to some sort of mental filtering.

How to widen the crack? Read, listen to audio books. Constantly. Meditate, visualize, trust the process I suppose. When you get actual results that's the best way. Not numbers LOL. Can you imagine if Joe Vitale didn't have his hugely successful businesses or his zillion dollars? He just got up on stage and talked about seeing "11" a lot?

My very brief involvement with the Vitales of the world was counterproductive, in my current situation. I'm too prone to cynicism - "Find out how I got rich, buy my books/seminars/etc.!!!"

I've nosed about since then, with diminishing enthusiasm, for material that matches up with my knowledge, belief and temperament. Something that will work for me immediately and substantively, mollify my stubborn inner-skeptic, and (due to current circumstances) cost little or no money to employ. With apologies to Bono, I still haven't found...

The numbers are like candy, I suppose; no nutritional value, but they (and the free-spiritedness of those who swear by them) cheer me up.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Ted the Mighty

Hey all,

I'm just stopping by to talk about something weird that's been happening to me. I keep receiving text messages with no content from the number 1111. The funny thing is that it happened after I read Mr. Pavlina's 11:11 article. It's been a couple of months and I've received three of these. Everyone I talk to just chalks it up to some kind of weird glitch.

I'd like to but quite frankly I think there's more (or maybe less) to it than that. Anyway, I thought that this was a good place to bring that up. Heck, maybe I got the messages just so I'd come here and bring it up. Anyhow, I think of myself as a savvy individual but this business has me confounded. Any conscious netizens out there care to share some thoughts?

Hi Ted,
I had a similar experience. The day after I read the article, my gas charges on the pump read: $11.11

And, since then, when my cell phone rings, people I don't want to talk with come in as number: 1111... OMG.

And, I answer the phone because the number is 1111. How could I not?

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

....

My very brief involvement with the Vitales of the world was counterproductive, in my current situation. I'm too prone to cynicism - "Find out how I got rich, buy my books/seminars/etc.!!!"
....

The numbers are like candy, I suppose; no nutritional value, but they (and the free-spiritedness of those who swear by them) cheer me up.

Wax Frog,
You made me laugh so hard! Thank you for that. And, to Joelr, for the image of Joe getting up on stage and talking about "1111". I would like to help you as you just helped me with manifesting more fun today....

I am on a mission, not to manifest anything on purpose. (Disappointment weighs on me too much ) I am focusing on vibration.

Instead of visualizing, I am noticing the synchs, and doing whatever I can to listen to my inner voice about what would make me happy..... If writing would make me happy, I write. If coming to these blogs would make me happy, I come to the blogs. If coming to the blogs makes me unhappy, I leave.

Instead of visualizing, that I am happy, I am "being" happy.

I read A Happy Pocketfull of Money, or half of it, downloaded for free from the above site. It changed my way of looking at manifestation a bit.

I am an explorer in this world. I don't have the answers. I think some here on these blogs do, but I am still "learning" what works and what doesn't, do don't take my word for anything.... Well, there are things that I know don't work.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

Wax Frog,
You made me laugh so hard! Thank you for that.

You're very welcome! I enjoy being a goof (hey, is there a web business hiding in there? )!

I read A Happy Pocketfull of Money, or half of it, downloaded for free from the above site. It changed my way of looking at manifestation a bit.

Thanks for the tip. It's about time I got back to serious reading...

I am an explorer in this world. I don't have the answers. I think some here on these blogs do, but I am still "learning" what works and what doesn't, do don't take my word for anything.... Well, there are things that I know don't work.

The advice and ideas I value most come from those who expressly state they haven't figured it all out, because I am highly dubious of the motivations, and often even the sanity, of those who claim they have. I wouldn't mind a bit of directly-experienced certainty though, something so unambiguous it would fully and permanently fire up my enthusiasm.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

You're very welcome! I enjoy being a goof (hey, is there a web business hiding in there? )!

You know what, as demonstrated by Magic1's post on "digging up her seed", I would say that some goofing would do very well as a web business! .... and, the world would be better off.

You could have one thread for maleprops or puns, and another for irony, and another for visual jokes, and another for ongoing gags, like Ruth Busey on the bicycle on Laugh In....

We could all go there to raise our vibrational rate! We'd all be manifesting bunnies!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Strem2

You know what, as demonstrated by Magic1's post on "digging up her seed", I would say that some goofing would do very well as a web business!

Aside from the practical matter of having to (re)learn to build a website, let alone a for-profit one, the big issue always looming for me is - would I be able to come up with enough legitimately funny material steadily enough to build and hold an audience?

Still, I enjoy the notion

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Leaving aside other questions raised by your response, better dealt with elsewhere if at all, does this mean you're among those of the opinion that I am always effectively employing LoA (and thus constantly able to employ it consciously) independent of belief?

Yes! And No That's an easy question to answer but hard to find the right words. Um, you are always employing LOA. It's never independant of belief, it follows belief. So even if you believe you cannot manifest things with your consciousness, things will still manifest, they have no choice, in LOA it is part of physics (not quite proven, somewhat though). If you don't believe in the process you are probably not focusing intentions to create specific things, your mind may hold different beliefs and that will cause manifestations, just not as specific and directed. A bit more random. But if you look at you life, it may have some order. Specific events may be happening over and over, your daily life may have consistent events as well as each year or decade. These are the result of what is in your mind. Just look at your beliefs and compare them with your life, you may see patterns or casual connections between your beliefs and what you experience.

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Dang, I knew my 'squishy' use of terminology would bite me in the end

So, by your understanding, what was my experience of randomly choosing "U" as a target, then seeing it, as an upturned horseshoe, on a very strange cap hours later, and again in an unlikely context the night after? A sort of low-grade manifestation, a run-of-the-mill coincidence fortified by wishful thinking, or none of the above?

Yeah. Like Tor talks about in one of the best books I've ever read on consciousness - every second you take in 10 million bits of information. Gosh, there are "u" shapes constantly in our field of vision. I can't say you're wrong for using what is known as "magical thinking", I don't think it's part of the LOA model however. But if you like it, go with it. Looking at them as meaningful synchs can I ask what you are doing so far to create them?
But it strikes me that you are looking for real development so in that case I would say focus more on changing your world. The Jungian "synch" concept which is also the LOA synch has been loosely interpreted to also include magic in some cases. I mention it because I think it's relevant. Jung cautioned about that so I think it's worth pointing out. Magic has not had as good a track record as LOA so it could end up frustrating one if they suddeny realize they have been getting "messages" for years but their life hasn't really had any actual changes. I mean would you rather see a plane fly overhead and write a big "u" or have actual people and events pop into your life that are seemingly amazing coincidences but change your life into everything you dream about?

But if you get inspiration from other sources as you say that's cool too! I'm just giving my opinion because it seems like you are still searching and are open. I know I could be way off. But
I do know that when unusually coincidental things happen that bring love, money, fame, spiritual knowledge etc into my experience it is quite fun and exciting. The number I've been seeing ALL the time, including all products of that number, are not so great So I'm making an assumption that you might feel similar but I don't know that for sure.

I'll flip to the other side for a second, say the numbers ARE a message. Not much has changed. Maybe your beliefs a bit. But you still have to sit and do the same work with your thoughts, beliefs, emotions, meditation/visualization to get what you really want. Just like dieting - daily practice and constant thought monitoring (at first). I'm not trying to lecture you, just relay what I believe is important information in manifesting intentions.

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

My very brief involvement with the Vitales of the world was counterproductive, in my current situation. I'm too prone to cynicism - "Find out how I got rich, buy my books/seminars/etc.!!!"

Yes that current crop of speakers from the Secret are like that.
Have you tried Wayne Dyer? He has quite a bit of material. His audio book of "How to get what you really really want" is very good. Deepak is on it also. They are way above the Vitale type. They have spent they lives studying spirituality and are not associated with the Secret marketing machine.
People seem to really like the Abraham books also.

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I've nosed about since then, with diminishing enthusiasm, for material that matches up with my knowledge, belief and temperament. Something that will work for me immediately and substantively, mollify my stubborn inner-skeptic, and (due to current circumstances) cost little or no money to employ. With apologies to Bono, I still haven't found...

I can show you how someone who isn't you (or SWIM someone who isn't me) could "potentially" get free audio books online.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

But you still have to sit and do the same work with your thoughts, beliefs, emotions, meditation/visualization to get what you really want. Just like dieting - daily practice and constant thought monitoring (at first). I'm not trying to lecture you, just relay what I believe is important information in manifesting intentions.

Just to get my head clearer on where you stand - what's your take on the issue of LoA being equivalent to inspired (implied as external) action? How about the world view of folks like ALG, to the degree you understand it (hopefully better than I )?

Have you tried Wayne Dyer? He has quite a bit of material. His audio book of "How to get what you really really want" is very good. Deepak is on it also. They are way above the Vitale type. They have spent they lives studying spirituality and are not associated with the Secret marketing machine. People seem to really like the Abraham books also.

At present I have one by Dyer and two by Hicks, though I confess for various reasons I've not really applied either. I suppose it wouldn't be a bad idea to explore Dyer and others further...

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Just to get my head clearer on where you stand - what's your take on the issue of LoA being equivalent to inspired (implied as external) action? How about the world view of folks like ALG, to the degree you understand it (hopefully better than I )?



At present I have one by Dyer and two by Hicks, though I confess for various reasons I've not really applied either. I suppose it wouldn't be a bad idea to explore Dyer and others further...

I'm not sure what ALG believes exactly, as far as I can tell he is a believer in mainstream LOA, but I don't know the details 100%.
I'm fairly mainstream also, which is to say LOA is not the same as inspired action. But they can be almost the same thing. In a strict sense whatever your dominant beliefs, emotions, thoughts are towards something LOA will always give you inspired actions to help continue manifesting whatever those subconscious/conscious beliefs are. Of course if you have limiting/negative beliefs some of the inspired action will be to continue to keep those negative things in your experience. If you desire change then the process begins to try to manipulate those manifestations into things that you desire.

So it's not likely to gain inspired action towards change if you have already set in motion a solid long-term belief. That requires the actual LOA process of meditation/visualization AND monitoring and working with your day to day beliefs until the new beliefs/visualizations begin to emerge for you.
It is considered an actual physical process of manipulating real creative energy consistently over a period of time. Right now in Physics that energy is called Subtle energy.
It's an energy that seems to be trying to pull physical events to you that match your internal feelings. But I haven't seen anything to suggest that that energy then is sending messages. If so it would also send messages about negative things. But y'know, it just flows from your consciousness into the field and attracts like energy. But it clearly has no bias towards good/bad or indirect communication. Just follows your own energy.


So since manifestation always happens, inspired action is always part of LOA.
If everything is perfect in your life and you want for nothing there may be no need for energy work. It's already flowing exactly as you want it.

Does that make sense or answer your question? I'm open to any additional ideas. I may not choose to accept them for me but sometimes I do.
I took on Steve's idea of an Alpha Reflection to be plausable and I think I have seen it happen many times right after periods of intense inner work.

Yeah Dyer isn't so much about how to use LOA, he just tries to lay a foundation for belief and be inspiring. I hope you've read all of Steve's articles!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

Does that make sense or answer your question?

Maybe. I'm not sure if I ever ran my 'desert island' question by you Here is my latest version:

Let's say it's the 1940s or thereabouts, no satellites or GPS or such. I am on a remote island, well away from shipping lanes. All of my survival needs are met, but I have no means of building any sort of transport.

In your view, is there any possibility of my literally manifesting a rescue, via my intent? Drawing someone near enough to see a fire or arranged-rock message, or even just pulling them in directly? Or perhaps lining up some more wonderful, unexpected avenue?

Yeah Dyer isn't so much about how to use LOA, he just tries to lay a foundation for belief and be inspiring. I hope you've read all of Steve's articles!

Ugh! I'm guessing Steve's archive is large enough to face me with a mammoth task, even limiting myself to LoA specific entries! I have read a few though, and listened to a podcast or two...

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Maybe. I'm not sure if I ever ran my 'desert island' question by you Here is my latest version:

Let's say it's the 1940s or thereabouts, no satellites or GPS or such. I am on a remote island, well away from shipping lanes. All of my survival needs are met, but I have no means of building any sort of transport.

In your view, is there any possibility of my literally manifesting a rescue, via my intent? Drawing someone near enough to see a fire or arranged-rock message, or even just pulling them in directly? Or perhaps lining up some more wonderful, unexpected avenue?

Of Course! Totally. That's the whole crux of LOA right there. Creating meaningful change that directly is in alignment with your intentions that otherwise might seem like a miracle. That's what makes the discipline worthwhile.
Creating that synch would be great, but I've heard even much more astounding experiences that seem to almost rule out chance entirely.

That's why doing the reading is worth it. Like anything else it takes consistent daily effort and is a learned skill. But sometimes it's easier to just skip the work and find enjoyment in trivial events.
That's not an insult, I'm saying I do that sometimes. I recently got lazy for a few months and hid in the make-believe world of ufo's and government conspiracys, researching things, forums, ect.. It satisfied my need for uncovering "secret" truths about the universe. But I finally decided it was more fiction than truth and didn't help my development much. Except my friends thought I was coo coo.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

Of Course! Totally. That's the whole crux of LOA right there. Creating meaningful change that directly is in alignment with your intentions that otherwise might seem like a miracle. That's what makes the discipline worthwhile.
Creating that synch would be great, but I've heard even much more astounding experiences that seem to almost rule out chance entirely.

Fantastic! Though I had reason to believe otherwise, I was worried you might prove to be another member of the "action faction" I'm not too bent out of shape as to what the true form of LoA/IM might be, just so long as it isn't some plain old system of motivational techniques with New Agey makeup. Anyone outside that realm is an ally (that is, a good source of advice/info to weigh), in one sense or another.

Honestly, the best model of LoA for me just might have to be one that runs along these lines: everything that can exist does so, as either manifestation or potential, and the "trick" is to learn to tune into it. How's that?

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Fantastic! Though I had reason to believe otherwise, I was worried you might prove to be another member of the "action faction" I'm not too bent out of shape as to what the true form of LoA/IM might be, just so long as it isn't some plain old system of motivational techniques with New Agey makeup. Anyone outside that realm is an ally (that is, a good source of advice/info to weigh), in one sense or another.

Honestly, the best model of LoA for me just might have to be one that runs along these lines: everything that can exist does so, as either manifestation or potential, and the "trick" is to learn to tune into it. How's that?

That's good, "Many Worlds" is a good way to look at it. That term officially came out in Physics in 1973 when Bruce Dewitt took Hugh Everett's "relativistic state" theory from 1957 and published it under the new name.

In the Seth/Jane Roberts metaphysics books Seth introduced the idea into LOA calling it "probable realities". That was in the 1960's, before it was published in physics!

But yeah, no action in the way you mean I think is correct. I mean geez, I was meditating on a specific type of lover for a few months and she showed up at my door for business reasons, came by weekly and we had our first kiss right on my meditation couch. Before that I had only ever seen her inside my home.
Sure I had to like talk to her and actually lean over, but y'know not much action required. The internal work is the important action.
Sometimes more movement is required of course. Remember though, the distinction is an illusion, like time. Action is Thought in motion.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

Action is Thought in motion.

Nothing against action, it's just that (for reasons I won't bother you with here) I have created a sort of 'desert island' for myself, and I really have no clue what (if anything) should be my first act. I could use a "magical" jump start. If I can get to where I really have faith in myself, that I really have so much power over my life, it would make a serious difference.

Switching to a rainforest setting, I pretty much figure things might go more smoothly if I can get a road grader to come through my life, rather than go back to blundering around in the underbrush, getting myself scratched and gouged again.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Nothing against action, it's just that (for reasons I won't bother you with here) I have created a sort of 'desert island' for myself, and I really have no clue what (if anything) should be my first act. I could use a "magical" jump start. If I can get to where I really have faith in myself, that I really have so much power over my life, it would make a serious difference.

Switching to a rainforest setting, I pretty much figure things might go more smoothly if I can get a road grader to come through my life, rather than go back to blundering around in the underbrush, getting myself scratched and gouged again.

I've had periods of slippage (living from my ego desires) which caused clearly-created negative events which gave me too much negative thinking in-between meditations. So any manifestation ended up coming with more ways to sustain my problems I was obsessing over. I had to stop visualizing and just use traditional silence meditation. Focus on your breath, notice any thoughts, allow them/acknowledge them, return to breath etc.. just to feel some inner peace.

Sometimes outer events will be almost impossible to overcome without help or time.
Deepak Chopra explains those levels of consciousness in How To Know God.

But eventually I decided that particular depression should be treated with meds so I could get back to my inner work. So I know it can be hard to get the ball rolling sometimes. Then I had to re-learn how to meditate/visualize without the added kick of happy pills.

Everything I've seen always points to the same thing - meditate. It's from that state where you will eventually visualize/feel your intentions.

Have you tried inner work yet? Or dealt with emotional aspects in any way so that you feel balanced enough to sit and try those things?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

Everything I've seen always points to the same thing - meditate. It's from that state where you will eventually visualize/feel your intentions.

Funny how I keep getting turned back to that path Part of me wants to find something new and exciting, a 'miracle cure', but again and again (through it's myriad messengers?) my old friend beckons...

Have you tried inner work yet? Or dealt with emotional aspects in any way so that you feel balanced enough to sit and try those things?

I did work through a book called "The Presence Process" once, but never did the second run-thru that the author indicated was essential. Aside from that (and the first half of my life spent in forms of traditional psychotherapy) I have done no formal work. Facing the Shadow isn't a particularly enticing prospect.

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Funny how I keep getting turned back to that path Part of me wants to find something new and exciting, a 'miracle cure', but again and again (through it's myriad messengers?) my old friend beckons...

It's generally how you plant a seed. If you have been putting out intentions to learn how such things work it's possible receiving a similar answer repeatedly is a synch or an "answer". That is a more direct answer, the way the Universe will work. If you meditate on the letter"u" I don't think the Universe needs to expend energy to create it. It's already in your power to see such things often.
But even if it was so, the real changes require more work.


Now is the action part, begin the work. Or if you're not resonating with it right now skip it. Spend energy on other things. In 6 months you can see if you are exactly where you want to be, if not you can consider LOA as an option anytime. If not there are still many ways to find bliss without creating every aspect of your reality or manifesting "things" into your experience. Any new activity external/internal may often cause different manifestations. Not always positive. But negative often leads to positive!

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

If not there are still many ways to find bliss without creating every aspect of your reality.

Thanks for all the advice!

The above may be so, but I sure haven't knocked anyone's socks off (most importantly my own) with my attempts so far. Maybe I'll feel differently down the road, but right now I absolutely hate being a puzzle.

I never really thought about it, but I guess meditating as a repeated habit would naturally function as a sort of "intention" wouldn't it? Especially since the dedication itself indicates "this is important to me". Duh

[joelr]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Thanks for all the advice!

The above may be so, but I sure haven't knocked anyone's socks off (most importantly my own) with my attempts so far. Maybe I'll feel differently down the road, but right now I absolutely hate being a puzzle.

I never really thought about it, but I guess meditating as a repeated habit would naturally function as a sort of "intention" wouldn't it? Especially since the dedication itself indicates "this is important to me". Duh

Yes but even more importantly is meditation is how you visualize in a way that makes it manifest much more efficiently.

After a period of slow breathing you enter into alpha waves in contrast to your normal brainwaves (beta I think) Here the ego can be silenced and your connections to all things mystical seem to take place. Intentions felt in this state have signifigantly more power. It's also easier to feel the actual emotions of a visualization which is the energy behind the manifestation.
Then the idea is to forget about your work, live with positive expectation but never obsess. That part - detachment is a whole thing in itself to read up on.

Oh, that can be hard. Especially if you're in a crisis. Heartbroken or whatever. I can own up to some serious heartache that didn't allow me to get any inner work done without something to block the bad for a few months.

That is what is meant by the title of that thread - Don't dig up your seed. Are you aware of that process?

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by joelr

That is what is meant by the title of that thread - Don't dig up your seed. Are you aware of that process?

Not as a formal process, but I understand the metaphor, having done a bit of gardening.