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First you have entertain the idea that there is a oneness to everything that is conscious. I'm not starting this thread to go over that, so assume that for now, there is a "all is one" consciousness - also termed idealistic monism. Is it possible to experience oneness? To be aware of that state? I'd like to think so since I've felt something I imagine is that but also would snap back to being regular and look back and say - wow, wasn't that a trip... But to really completely experience this oneness that is everything, how can one become aware of this state while in it? Imagine you are identifying with being everything and being everything in the universe, there would not be anything outside of your boundary since you would have no boundary. By definition to be oneness is to encompass everything such that you are not going to be able be aware or sense something else since you are being everything. There will be absolutley no place from which to reference anything else. So, is it possible to experience oneness and what would that really be like? |
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i believe it is possible, isnt that what enlightenment is? i have no idea what it would feel like, and those who have experienced it usually say it cant be put into words, but that joy and peace come to 'mind'.
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I recently began studying the origins of our species and religion and have been meditating daily. I have begun to feel it again (I think). What I have begun to feel is that I don't necessarily feel my body anymore at times, and instead I feel like I am beginning to encompass everything around me - like I am 'one' with it. It's a weird feeling... but it feels great, I guess it's "weird" because it is uncommon. Another explanation is that I feel like my body is bigger than it really is, maybe what I am feeling is my 'aura' because I am doing some pretty advanced meditations.. I don't know yet. I think that it happens when one is aware of where we came from and why we are here - and what our purpose is, and also by meditating daily, eating healthy and exercising- you must have a healthy body, mind, and spirit. Last edited by tropicality; 01-12-2007 at 12:18 AM. |
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I know this may sound weird.... but when I meditate, I experience a wave like feeling coming over me. This wave motion moves from my head to my feet and back. I can actually feel my body and my spirit separating... a very odd, and scary feeling at first but something that took a while to get use to. I'm not sure if it's a feeling of "oneness" but I definitely feel connected to something.
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| No I do all of my meditations with my eyes closed in a dark room. And the feeling that I explain in my post is not during meditation, it has happened when I lay down in bed or when I am sitting there. The feeling that MGJ explains is common during meditation and is the feeling of energy moving throughout the body which requires a quiet mind to 'feel'.
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Deepak Chopra in 'How to Know God' identifies the 7 stages of God as beginning with a sense of small insignificant, stranded in the vastness of nature, survival, through to fulfillment of ones own needs, finding inner peace, manifesting ones own desires, then duality, an awareness and perception of being at the centre of an immense power and intelligence that emanates from God, (this is where healings, psychic ability, telepathy, ESP etc occur). The final stage of oneness requires no belief or faith. It is the total dispersion of physicality, ego, mind. There is no self, only the awareness of being expanded energy. I believe it is possible to experience it. Lallymac |
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To experience something, you must have the ability to compare that experience with other experiences, there must be a reference. In this model where "all is one", it is impossible to experience oneness, because there are no references to other things. However, it is possible to experience oneness indirectly: if you bring yourself in illusion. To do so, create an illusory world in your imagination. Enter that world as one of the millions of living beings, not knowing what your real identity is. Let all kinds of things happen that make you think about your existence, until you realize what your real identity is. Then you can experience oneness. |
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During one of my experiences of "oneness" I was sitting in my backyard with two good friends to my right. I was staring straight ahead and everything just stopped...time stopped and only I had the ability to start it again..I did this by thinking of my friend next to me. I had figured out that I was God...atleast thats what was going through my head, once I started time again I looked to my right and gazed into my friends' eyes...instantly he said outloud "THIS GUYS GOD!" I said...that was tripping my friend because I had come to that conclusion myself...then my 2nd friend quietly and almost in a scared, shocked voice said "I...felt it too...I felt that you were God" I dunno what to make of this exactly but it has stuck with me...
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But going back to your post. It just goes to show what can happen when one is within the moment. | |
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DoAnyOfYouExist, Dude you have to be a "smoker." |
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Maybe if you were there with DoAnyOfYouExist you might have "seen the light" as it were. But what about the topic? Do you have an experience with oneness yourself? Do you think it's possible? | |
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I am sorry I was making fun. I meant no offense. No, I haven't experienced oneness if DoAnyOfYouExist's experience is what that is. I know for a fact I am not God. Unless my subjective half of reality can transcend and manipulate the objective half of reality to the point of creating things out of nothing, I don't think I will ever feel "oneness." Especially considering no one can ever actually experience "nothing" unless they are in a coma. If one can't experience nothing, it is impossible for one to manipulate it. So I think that one cannot experience "oneness" unless they are either dead or in a coma. In either case it wouldn't matter to the living.
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I think it's impossible too. But if oneness can be experienced at all, I'd say that oneness would have to be like an everyday ordinary experience. Like engaging in a long passionate kiss, or sitting in traffic, or taking a dump. Oneness would be no big deal. Nothing particularly unique or special. I say this because it seems like a lot of people can already accept the idea that "oneness" would have to mean the total collapse of any concept or sensation of a physical existence. Concepts like "here" or "there", "outside" or "inside", "figure" and "background", "all" or "nothing", would be totally meaningless and cease to exist in a state of oneness. What's a little harder, at least for me, is to realize that oneness would also have to include the total collapse of any concept or sensation of time. Concepts like "now" and "then", "past", "present", and "future" would be meaningless. Even the experience of "The Now" that's talked about in books like "The Power of Now" wouldn't exist for you and would be totally meaningless in a state of oneness. With oneness it's all the same. Time would have no meaning and is just a mental construct that no longer exists for you. Just as with how the three physical dimensions would have no meaning and would cease to exist for you. So, with this collapse of these three spatial dimensions, along with the temporal dimension, not to mention any other dimensions that we can't even experience directly (aren't there theoretically 11+ dimensions or something?), the "experience of oneness" would have to be always and everywhere. And, for that matter, this "oneness experience" would also simultaneously have to be never and nowhere as well. If you say you "experience oneness", that means you'd have to also experience oneness each and every nanosecond of your life. You'd also have to experience it before you were born and after your death. You'd even have to experience it before the Big Bang and after the Big Crunch. So in summary, along the lines with what Frans already said, I guess it's simultaneously totally possible and totally impossible to "experience oneness". It just comes down to who/what is doing the experiencing. But answering that question - trying to pin down exactly "who" or "what" - is a whole other can of worms. Last edited by Glass Joe; 01-20-2007 at 02:10 AM. | ||||
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DoAnyOfYouExist Yes I am ready. This is what my whole religion is based on. I see it impossible to experience oneness in life. It can only be in death or a coma as I said. Even if I could get a taste of it in life. What's the point? It would change me to know that was what I was inheriting when I died. But to taste it in life and be fully emersed in it in death are completely different things. I am not ready to die yet. It will be wonderful when I do, but I have unfinished business here. It is important that I talk to everyone and spread His message. I do not fault you for not accepting it. I do not look down on you. Who am I, but nobody to everyone? I am insignificant. I just want to tell everyone that Jesus is significant. Probably not to you or a lot of people in this forum. But that's ok. He doesn't expect to be to everyone. |
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I'm not an expert on Jesus but... wasn't his message that He was one with God and that everyone can do this too? That we don't need to go through priests and sacrafices to be one with God? Was Jesus in a coma or dead to be one with God? And also wasn't the fall from edan the real death? A speration from God? So we all are really dead spiritually in that way right now and to be alive would be to reconnect (experience oneness)? A couple reasons for experiencing oneness, or at least trying to: 1) If someone has an experience of oneness, I'd think that person is going to be apt to be more kind towards all living things because being able to feel one with everything makes everything "else" as if also yourself and you wouldn't want to be hurting others as yourself. Of coarse some people become naturally kind to others without this oneness experience, just because they've been told to or something deep in them makes them that way, so experiencing oneness isn't nessecary for kindness to occur. There may be insights in the feeling of the oneness experience that help you lead a more peaceful incarnation now. 2) I'd think the point to getting a taste of "it" while alive is so the transition to the after life (whatever that is) is smoother or more conscious or more familiar. | |
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I've hit a state of oneness three times in my life. Once I was sitting at work (a bank in Canada) and had a sudden overwhelming urge to leave and go outside. I packed up my bag and went for a walk, and suddenly my field of vision opened up. I could see each and every blade of grass moving in the fields as the wind blew, every person was part of me, I felt overwhelming connectedness and love. And I felt I could sense past/future. The piece of garbage on the ground was precious as I would sense the joy and abandon with which it was placed there, and the person coming along later to pick it up. It was the most magnificent feeling I have ever experienced, and really did feel like I was one with the universe. It lasted about 2 hours. I went home and wrote about it while I was in that state. The second time was one morning I woke up very early, decided to go swim in the lake (it was still dark). As I stood in the water as the sun was coming up it started to rain and time slowed. I saw each drop fall, and bounce water up as it hit the lake. Again I was in the same state of being connected to everything around me. The third time was during a 10 day Vipanassa medication retreat (shorter just just as amazing). I'd LOVE to be able to bring it on at will!! One day maybe! I assume that some have mastered that state and live in it. What an experience that would be. |
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Eckhart Tolle spent 2 years on a park bench in this state. He was basically a bum. What I'm trying to say is that this state is not normal and doesn't help you survive in this world. That's why it's nice to have this sort of trip from time to time but having it all the time would be a mistake. | |
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I thought perhaps humans used to tune in to oneness and live that way with nature. Now with our egos so well defined and with the "I, me, mine" culture we have gotten even farther from oneness. To me, it seems the more natural state is oneness - which is exactly a spiritual experience. When someone starts to feel this it is overwhelming and can produce problems like wanting to leave the ego world completly, be a bum on a park benach for a while. But that's (I think) just because we are so used to being separated from nature and there's an overcoorection in a way that makes the oneness feeling more extreme. I like to think that one can carry the oneness feeling around at all times (not as a some wacky trip) and be functional too (and more peaceful in functioning). Reminds me of Alan Clements giving up his monk robe because at first he wanted to just bliss out and remain in the monestery but eventually decided to give up the monk world to hopefully operate in the ego world with more spiritual understanding (at least that's what I remember from reading some of his stuff). It used to be, I imagine, that humans were able to survive the world exactly because of being more in the oneness world. Having the instinct and intuitions connected with nature and knowing, for example, ok we have to move now to the south before the snow comes, or not overharvesting or overhunting or overproducing because this oneness feeling was more prevelant. Last edited by wolfgang; 01-23-2007 at 01:09 PM. Reason: paragraphing | |
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I'm guessing J was deemed trolling in a way - started getting me going too, ha? There was some sort of message J felt was important and the same time showing low confideince in the message or not really understading the message himself and trying to deliver it. Must have been driving others crazy to try to follow as well. But besides that I still wonder if what Jesus was feeling was oneness and started trying to explain it to everyone with what ever language he could. | |
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