What is a miracle - spun off from "has anyone experienced a miracle?"

[Pyper900]

NOTE: Off-topic discussion, moved to its own thread.

Originally Posted by Angela

Ohhh, I see what you mean, I think, The Coronet. The miracle of feeling better when you don't feel so good.

Yes, such miracles do happen. In my own life, I've seen that at the very heart of the miraculous lies a willingness to be the cause of my life, what I sometimes call 100% responsibility.

The clearer I am that where I am and how I feel RIGHT NOW is the result of all my choices, both conscious and unconscious, to this point so far, the more powerful and effective I am at creating and enjoying miraculous results in my life and in the lives of others. By "miraculous" I mean: enjoying relationships that are more loving, joyful, and expansive than I had ever even imagined possible; feeling overflowing gratitude and tender care towards the gorgeous, trusty body that I had maligned and abused for years; letting go of an unloved job and creating my own business, powerfully aligned with my purpose; and developing a real genius for feeling good on purpose and helping other people do the same.

You can sit around waiting for miracles to happen, if you want. Many people do, and there's nothing wrong with that. And if you want to really be a generator of miracles, I strongly recommend taking on 100% responsibility.

Right now, in your somewhat low-ish state, that might mean just noticing that people who have the kind of purpose you want in your own life exist. Being at cause and feeling a little better might involve asking others what their strategy for for living on purpose is, as you are doing here (congratulations for that, by the way!) What resources do they have that you don't? What would it take on your part to generate those resources? Recognize that those resources are not things that lie outside of yourself -- your job now is to recognize that they are a part of you, and you can learn how to tap into and access the kind of resources that others use to live miraculously. They are the same as you.

So, what are you willing to do to get yourself feeling a little better?

Best wishes, and please know that I am with you.

Lots of love,
Angela

That is self-effacing on the border of defeatism. What you're saying is to give credit for your own deeds and achievements to a higher power. How about keeping some of that credit for yourself?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Pyper900

That is self-effacing on the border of defeatism. What you're saying is to give credit for your own deeds and achievements to a higher power. How about keeping some of that credit for yourself?

Really? How so? I thought I was saying just the opposite.

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Angela

Really? How so? I thought I was saying just the opposite.

Yes, the following achievement or found magic, is attributed to the individual, but naming the beginning process a miracle, places the outcome in the hands of a higher power.

It would be more prudent to say 'get up off your butt and do something about it'. To be clear, I don't have issue with your entire point, just with the use of the word miracle, in all it's forms.

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

What do you mean by miracle? You can call anything a miracle. From different perspectives, you'll have different things called miracles that other perspectives see as normal. So, think about what your definition of miracle is and then we will have a clearer picture of what you mean by the world 'miracle.'

No, the meaning of the word miracle is not subjective, though it can be misused.

It is not miraculous to achieve true self-empowerment, it is a testament to introspection, decision making and support. Labelling it a miracle, through any definition, diminishes the meaning and gives credit to a higher power by association.

'I found my purpose.' is a far more admirable statement than 'my purpose was revealed to me through a miracle.'

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Pyper900

Yes, the following achievement or found magic, is attributed to the individual, but naming the beginning process a miracle, places the outcome in the hands of a higher power.

It would be more prudent to say 'get up off your butt and do something about it'. To be clear, I don't have issue with your entire point, just with the use of the word miracle, in all it's forms.

I see. Well, I have no problem with the word miracle, the first definition of which that I find is:

An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God

...because even though it appears inexplicable by the laws of nature doesn't mean that it is supernatural, and just because it is held to be supernatural, short a natural explanation, doesn't mean that it is, either. (Of course, it doesn't mean that it isn't, either. )

Sometimes the most amazing, astonishing, wonderfully marvelous* events in life just don't seem to have any explanation, and they leave us feeling awe. That's what I would call a miracle. And a miracle is something that The Coronet has the power to generate.

*p.s.... that's another definition in the dictionary for "miracle," by the way, and it includes no mention of god or the supernatural. If you want to stick to the dictionary and it's objective meanings.

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Angela

I see. Well, I have no problem with the word miracle, the first definition of which that I find is:



...because even though it appears inexplicable by the laws of nature doesn't mean that it is supernatural, and just because it is held to be supernatural, short a natural explanation, doesn't mean that it is, either. (Of course, it doesn't mean that it isn't, either. )

Sometimes the most amazing, astonishing, wonderfully marvelous events in life just don't seem to have any explanation, and they leave us feeling awe. That's what I would call a miracle. And a miracle is something that The Coronet has the power to generate.

If we were talking about flying toasters and purple kittens, maybe. Those things aren't readily explained. But getting up off the couch and striving to find ones purpose has a clear and traceable process and explanation. It is, by your own definition, patently not a miracle.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Pyper900

If we were talking about flying toasters and purple kittens, maybe. Those things aren't readily explained. But getting up off the couch and striving to find ones purpose has a clear and traceable process and explanation. It is, by your own definition, patently not a miracle.

Really? It is clear and traceable, this process and explanation of how we can get up off the couch and strive to find our purpose? I'm not so sure about that. Some mysteries remain in my mind, at least, if not yours. For instance, how did we get to that couch in the first place? There are lots of explanations, both natural and supernatural, for how we got here, but I don't see any objective, incontrovertible, absolutely agreed-upon 100% proof that any one of them is right, let alone clear or traceable.

Anyway I don't need one, because being here is miracle enough, in that 2nd definition sense: amazing, astonishing, and wonderful.

As far as getting results and feeling good, I'm fine with and support The Coronet in looking for a miracle, whether he believes in the supernatural or not. What you believe about that, Pyper900, is best discussed in another thread, I think.

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Angela

Really? It is clear and traceable, this process and explanation of how we can get up off the couch and strive to find our purpose? I'm not so sure about that. Some mysteries remain in my mind, at least, if not yours. For instance, how did we get to that couch in the first place? There are lots of explanations, both natural and supernatural, for how we got here, but I don't see any objective, incontrovertible, absolutely agreed-upon 100% proof that any one of them is right, let alone clear or traceable.

Anyway I don't need one, because being here is miracle enough, in that 2nd definition sense: amazing, astonishing, and wonderful.

As far as getting results and feeling good, I'm fine with and support The Coronet in looking for a miracle, whether he believes in the supernatural or not. What you believe about that, Pyper900, is best discussed in another thread, I think.

It is, most certainly, clear and traceable. It would be a daunting task to account for every action in this medium, but it is more than possible, it is rudimentary.

Make no mistake, being one of the many millions of people in North America who has struggled with depression, I am not making light of the task The Coronet faces in finding empowerment, but I am reminded of a phrase my mother used to say often. If it is to be, it is up to me.

Being here, and by that I have to assume you mean life in general, is also no miracle, nor is it ascribed to chance. Probability is a complex idea, but it can very neatly and effectively explain many things which may seem inexplicable on the surface.

Oh and, telling me to go away because I disagree with your point of view, doesn't much fly with me.

[Angela]

I wasn't telling you to go away, Pyper900; I was telling you that you were off-topic in the original thread.

Carry on with your discussion, if you like.

[Pyper900]

Originally Posted by Angela

I wasn't telling you to go away, Pyper900; I was telling you that you were off-topic in the original thread.

Carry on with your discussion, if you like.

I fail to see how it was off topic, but in any event, it would be your move.

[Angela]

There was a specific request from the OP in that thread, and when that occurs, we do our best to keep the topic on that specific request.

Your discussion of whether it's admirable or not to want a miracle in your life, when someone is specifically looking for a miracle in his life, is off-topic. Not that you are not allowed to discuss it or express your opinion; but it is another topic that distracts from that OP's.

Thanks.