Suicide

[Susanna77]

what happens in the afterlife to someone who commits suicide? what's the general belief?

[MiBeloved]

The first thing that happens is confusion. The second thing is having to deal with accountability to the persons who were left behind and who were loved ones and dear friends. The third thing that happens is the apprehensions regarding meeting persons who are investigating the cause of the suicide.
After some days the suicidist is faced with this thought:
“What should I do now. I am not dead. I still exist. People are still able to reach me mentally. What should I do next? Who will help me? Where should I go now? What will happen to me? What about those persons who are still living physically, whom I hurt terribly?”

[seeker5]

Erin wrote about this:

The Spiritual Consequences of Suicide

[Susanna77]

Thanks. That was very helpful. I'd been looking on Erin's section but did not find this.

Someone who I once met and who had a huge impact in my life comitted suicide and that's been raising so many questions. I find myself crying for someone I barely knew, would probably not see again but who ended up paving the way for what my life would become.

I wonder if he knows now...

[themaster]

I don't exactly agree with Erin's information.. (and normally I do, a good lesson is trust your own guidance) it sounds negative and even from some guilt or other place.. and suicide is not that negative.. it is thusly me saying that the information given is being viewed from the perspective of negative (as trying to be helpful/prevent) rather than being taken from a neutral/positive perspective/spin

Infact if you read it like I do.. it's in part written from a point of lack.. there is just no WAY that death is a lack for everyone here.. death is just a experience and it's a experience others agree to have happen when there here.. I'm sorry but I say again I think your information is wrong, Erin.. I suggest you re-check it.. I just know it can't be right and I honestly don't have verbal relationship with guides etc.

There are key missing facts like by my understanding..
- We can return to the game.. you could call it a equivelent to pressing the pause button in the middle of a video game..
- I have no doubt people get stuck in the muck.. I mean look at all the ghost stories and hauntings we have..
- Also key to my understanding is that we can retain our consciousness as is.. and play with the reality for real like playing with instant molding clay.. not with the illusion of time delay we have here and LOA (some of us think.. death means we become less.. while my understanding is.. we become MORE)
- There are by my understanding multiple realities.. whereas 1 reality you died.. another you lived on.. honestly as is my belief the case.. millions of ourselves live and die all the time..

Infact I offer a different opinion (not substantiated with my teachers recorded facts, though I could look some up)
- Suicide can be quite positive.. if you don't like it here leave.. you don't even need to do the physical act.. just arrange some LOA.. you can be hit by a bus or have a plane fall on you.. whatever.. be creative people, please!

One of my teachers I can quote.. Abraham says that punishing people in the death chamber is the exact opposite of its intention.. it’s more like giving them a reward..

[joecooool]

not only is there nothing wrong with suicide at all, but suicide is actually a good thing. it gives us control over our method of dying and time of death. the government should offer a free suicide pill available in hospitals for anyone who wants it.

[David Cain]

Originally Posted by Susanna77

what's the general belief?

I would not concern yourself with the general belief. Popularity does not make a belief any more likely to be true. A thousand years ago, the general belief was that the earth was flat.

If your speculations about the afterlife are causing grief for you, remind yourself that nobody knows what happens after people die. It is hard to get comfortable not knowing, and I think that's why death is so scary.

I don't know why anybody pretends to speak with authority on what happens after death, because they can't possibly know.

There is no reason to be upset, just be grateful that you had a chance to meet this person while they were around. Everybody in your life except you is a visitor. Accept their gifts and let them go when they go.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Susanna77

I wonder if he knows now...

People always know when you’re thinking of them.. (and I do mean even after they've left.. some of us know the truth "David Cain") I've cried for at least 2 suicides myself.. still I'm with "joecoool" at the bottom.. suicide is a legal right we have even if the government seems set on prevention..

I always felt bad for kevorkian.. and considered him one of my personal hero's.. prior to loa/religion.. now I can't say for sure..

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Susanna77

what happens in the afterlife to someone who commits suicide? what's the general belief?

They burn in hell
They bathe in the glory of god
There is no death, for you were never born

The general belief is.......

I don't trust simple questions that add links to sites that crash my browser, add spam and ad windows.

Forgive me for being so direct.....

The answer to your simple question is.........only you can know the answer, by personally experiencing it.

The question makes no sense. All you will get is personalised answers based on individual egoic POV.

Did you really seek an answer or just want to promote a website? I do not judge you, I'm just curious.

Judge

[Veronika]

You know suicide is not a good thing., it seems for some people like an easy way out but it isnt really. you will have to face your problems at any time of your life now or in the next and im telling you this because i believe in karma and in god. you have to find a constructive way of dealing with your problems and anytime it will automatically be over and than you can look back and say that you have done your best to be better. i mean everyone has problems more or less but you will have to deal with it. try reading bhagavad gita

[Susanna77]

Originally Posted by Judge

They burn in hell
They bathe in the glory of god
There is no death, for you were never born

The general belief is.......

I don't trust simple questions that add links to sites that crash my browser, add spam and ad windows.

Forgive me for being so direct.....

The answer to your simple question is.........only you can know the answer, by personally experiencing it.

The question makes no sense. All you will get is personalised answers based on individual egoic POV.

Did you really seek an answer or just want to promote a website? I do not judge you, I'm just curious.

Judge

You do not judge me? Wow. Really?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Veronika

You know suicide is not a good thing., it seems for some people like an easy way out but it isnt really. you will have to face your problems at any time of your life now or in the next and im telling you this because i believe in karma and in god. you have to find a constructive way of dealing with your problems and anytime it will automatically be over and than you can look back and say that you have done your best to be better. i mean everyone has problems more or less but you will have to deal with it. try reading bhagavad gita

Karma, only affects you if you believe it too.. in your case that would be correct..

Suicide.. is the greatest thing you can ever do to end any misery.. that is the truth written right there/here.. the problem I sometimes say to people.. is that doesn't mean you won't want to come right back from your place of new perspective.. I think it's reasonable to assume that many of us have committed suicides in our respective lifetimes.. I know of one instance when I was 12 where I thought about it.. and it may have just happened and I came back with the knowledge/memories erased.. (seems to be on purpose to function here.. course not all memories are erased for everyone )

You people sit under your silly illusions.. that when the GAME is ended.. you can't reload it.. restart it right where you left off.. or even better start it in a place of your choosing from a higher non-physical perspective.. you believe what you want to believe.. but from a higher perspective you know everything I say is true.. so go ahead and deny the truth in this reality.. after all the universe loves you so much.. it will let you deny yourself.. it will let you deny the universes love.. have fun..

[angus]

My father essentially starved himself after years of dying slowly from a stroke. I think he did the right thing. Above all things, it is a personal decision, and there is really no need for anyone else to have an opinion.

[Susanna77]

I see what every one is saying. I get it in terms of people who lost all their families, who are alone, who are terminally ill, etc.

When I asked the question I had in mind someone who had a wife, a two year old son and if rumours are to be believed, killed himself because his wife was having an affair.

I can't help thinking of the people that were left behind. It's not as if people have a family meeting and say "I can't really cope anymore; I have to go". People do it suddenly and walking into a house to find someone you love hanged must be horrid.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

not only is there nothing wrong with suicide at all, but suicide is actually a good thing. it gives us control over our method of dying and time of death. the government should offer a free suicide pill available in hospitals for anyone who wants it.

Suicide is a good thing he say's! Do you have kids? Wife/s? Do their feelings matter to you, or are you the most and only important thing in your life? How selfish are you to choose the shortest way out of a common problem. Suicide is a cowardly act, a permanent solution to a temporary predicament. Control over the method of death he declares! You are not in control; the predicament is, that which has pushed one to contemplate on suicide is in total command, It is his/her/its decision not yours. Whether you believe or not HELL will beckon, BURN, BURN, BURN and BURN you will, because cowards will not enter heaven. Ooops!! I almost forgot; do not kill that fly, it could be your sister who committed suicide-REINCARNATION they say. What about that snail? You remember your grandfather. That is definitely him. HA, HA, HA!

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

Suicide is a good thing he say's! Do you have kids? Wife/s? Do their feelings matter to you, or are you the most and only important thing in your life? How selfish are you to choose the shortest way out of a common problem. Suicide is a cowardly act, a permanent solution to a temporary predicament. Control over the method of death he declares! You are not in control; the predicament is, that which has pushed one to contemplate on suicide is in total command, It is his/her/its decision not yours. Whether you believe or not HELL will beckon, BURN, BURN, BURN and BURN you will, because cowards will not enter heaven. Ooops!! I almost forgot; do not kill that fly, it could be your sister who committed suicide-REINCARNATION they say. What about that snail? You remember your grandfather. That is definitely him. HA, HA, HA!

ur so brainwashed. christianty had to make suicide a sin. coz if they didn't all their followers would just off themselves to get into the made up heaven faster.

and ya i care about other ppl's feelings, which is why suicide is good. letting loved ones see you suffer and be burdened with you old and sick is selfish.

suicide is not cowardly, its intelligent.

good book on methods you can use for suicide and euthanasia:
Peaceful Pill Handbook

i fully support suicide, and euthanasia. lets take control over our deaths. instead of leaving it in the hands of cruel nature.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

ur so brainwashed. christianty had to make suicide a sin. coz if they didn't all their followers would just off themselves to get into the made up heaven faster.

and ya i care about other ppl's feelings, which is why suicide is good. letting loved ones see you suffer and be burdened with you old and sick is selfish.

suicide is not cowardly, its intelligent.

good book on methods you can use for suicide and euthanasia:
Peaceful Pill Handbook

i fully support suicide, and euthanasia. lets take control over our deaths. instead of leaving it in the hands of cruel nature.

On the contrary, you are the one who has been subjected to intensive forced indoctrination resulting in the rejection of old beliefs and acceptance of new ones. The first information you received must have been that God existed; you have been brainwashed into, disbelieving the Word of God. Do you sincerely believe that life ends with your death, and there is no after-life? You will BURN for this!
There he goes again, I care! He says that is why I commit suicide…Can you believe this guy? Again, he continues….letting loved ones see you suffer and be burdened with you old and sick is selfish.... He says! Why not hold on until science cures this sickness and old age? He does not trust the scientists, I think. Suicide is intelligence….He adds! Wow! This guy never ceases to amaze! Since when did running away from what science, can treat be considered as an act of cleverness? Burn,burn,burn and burn you will, that is unless you repent!

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

On the contrary, you are the one who has been subjected to intensive forced indoctrination resulting in the rejection of old beliefs and acceptance of new ones. The first information you received must have been that God existed; you have been brainwashed into, disbelieving the Word of God. Do you sincerely believe that life ends with your death, and there is no after-life? You will BURN for this!
There he goes again, I care! He says that is why I commit suicide…Can you believe this guy? Again, he continues….letting loved ones see you suffer and be burdened with you old and sick is selfish.... He says! Why not hold on until science cures this sickness and old age? He does not trust the scientists, I think. Suicide is intelligence….He adds! Wow! This guy never ceases to amaze! Since when did running away from what science, can treat be considered as an act of cleverness? Burn,burn,burn and burn you will, that is unless you repent!

atheism is a lack of belief in god due to a lack of evidence or logic for god. as babies we are born with empty minds. and so we are atheists. and then later we get indoctrinated by our parents with a religion. my parents never indoctrinated me. by the time i was introduced to religion i was old enough to think properly. and therefore demanded evidence and or logic. to which religion/god had none. and so i continued to lack the belief in it. i remained in my natural default initial state: as an atheist. my mind is clear and i am free.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

atheism is a lack of belief in god due to a lack of evidence or logic for god. as babies we are born with empty minds. and so we are atheists. and then later we get indoctrinated by our parents with a religion. my parents never indoctrinated me. by the time i was introduced to religion i was old enough to think properly. and therefore demanded evidence and or logic. to which religion/god had none. and so i continued to lack the belief in it. i remained in my natural default initial state: as an atheist. my mind is clear and i am free.

No. No. NO Not me. I was not born with an empty mind; I knew that crying was a form of communication. Nobody taught me that, I knew what hunger was and how it felt like and the solution for it. I was an expert in sucking my mom’s boobs; she did not teach me that; suck, suck, suck, and suuuuuccccckk I did. Never went to class for that, no lesson did I receive for what I proficiently did in the short time I was in this world. Someone/thing taught me this or rather put it in me. God? Yes. Were you born with an empty mind? maybe God forgot or does he know something we do not! Yes, YES and Yes again!….HA!

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

No. No. NO Not me. I was not born with an empty mind; I knew that crying was a form of communication. Nobody taught me that, I knew what hunger was and how it felt like and the solution for it. I was an expert in sucking my mom’s boobs; she did not teach me that; suck, suck, suck, and suuuuuccccckk I did. Never went to class for that, no lesson did I receive for what I proficiently did in the short time I was in this world. Someone/thing taught me this or rather put it in me. God? Yes. Were you born with an empty mind? maybe God forgot or does he know something we do not! Yes, YES and Yes again!….HA!

your talking about instincts. and they were put there by dna.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by joecooool

not only is there nothing wrong with suicide at all, but suicide is actually a good thing. it gives us control over our method of dying and time of death. the government should offer a free suicide pill available in hospitals for anyone who wants it.

lol, this is exactly the agenda that our secret government made up of luciferic cult networks have envisioned for us

Hopefully your fate isn't to participate in that world, where you get to learn 1st hand the downside of ubiquitous suicide pills.

One plan the NWO people have is for basically everyone to be pressured into taking suicide pills when they get too old to work. The idea being they aren't useful anymore, and the younger people will be propagandized to resent having to support the old people.

Not a pretty world..

Life is meant to be lived. They say it's a great blessing to incarnate in this time period, and there are literally billions of souls who want to incarnate on earth but can't for obvious reasons.

There's a pecking order... if you win the right to an earth incarnation, to cut it short intentionally is a major sin.

P.S. Atheism is nothing more than the inevitable result of being trapped in the nervous system. If you do techniques such as meditation you will slowly break out of the nervous system, and then you'll have the sensory perception that allows you to directly perceive the spiritual world. Cloud chambers and electron microscopes only work on physical matter. Spiritual matter is observed using the 3rd eye, which is awoken by meditation. Just tossing a life-line your way, I can't force you grab it

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

your talking about instincts. and they were put there by dna.

DNA is the the tool not the source!

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

DNA is the the tool not the source!

source is universe.

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by yossarian

lol, this is exactly the agenda that our secret government made up of luciferic cult networks have envisioned for us

Hopefully your fate isn't to participate in that world, where you get to learn 1st hand the downside of ubiquitous suicide pills.

One plan the NWO people have is for basically everyone to be pressured into taking suicide pills when they get too old to work. The idea being they aren't useful anymore, and the younger people will be propagandized to resent having to support the old people.

Not a pretty world..

Life is meant to be lived. They say it's a great blessing to incarnate in this time period, and there are literally billions of souls who want to incarnate on earth but can't for obvious reasons.

There's a pecking order... if you win the right to an earth incarnation, to cut it short intentionally is a major sin.

P.S. Atheism is nothing more than the inevitable result of being trapped in the nervous system. If you do techniques such as meditation you will slowly break out of the nervous system, and then you'll have the sensory perception that allows you to directly perceive the spiritual world. Cloud chambers and electron microscopes only work on physical matter. Spiritual matter is observed using the 3rd eye, which is awoken by meditation. Just tossing a life-line your way, I can't force you grab it

i agree suicide should not be forced on anyone. but it should be a free choice available for anyone who wants it.

next atheism is the lack of belief in god, nothing more. many atheists are highly spiritual.

[yossarian]

Most atheists are not.

Atheists who believe in spirits, but not Source, are gonna be like .0001% of total atheists.

The far far majority of atheists reject all paranormal occurrences.

To me it seems weird that someone would recognize the existence of spirits, telepathy, precognition, multiple spiritual dimensions, etc, but be unable to perceive Source, where it all originates.

I'm saying Source because it has fewer connotations. The point is that even the most anti-Christian spiritual person recognizes some form of supreme oneness. New Agers call it Source or at least the sum total of everyone, or the light within, or whatever.

My point? If you disbelieve in God I strongly doubt you believe in spirits. Even Luciferian cults believe in God; they just believe he is now dead and supplanted by Lucifer lol.

With respect to suicide pill - the stated goal of the Power Elite (according to their own documents) is not to force anyone to take the pill, but to convince society to create pressures that make it shameful to NOT take the pill.

So when you retire, you'll feel this social pressure that tells you the honorable thing to do is suicide so that you aren't a burden on society. The media, schools, and hospitals will encourage this. The whole sales pitch will be to "relieve the burden on society" and make the person feel guilty for being alive but not working.

Mercy killing is just the start of this.

I'm not saying they're gonna succeed, but this is their publicly stated goal. So I find it interesting that you mentioned it.

Implicit in mercy killing is the statement that life is not worth living if the body is in physical pain. This itself is the result of materialism - the idea that ONLY the body exists. In truth physical pain, in a spiritually developed person, is not the end of the world. "Humanism" is the movement that doesn't recognize the spiritual reality and instead only recognizes the value of the material. There is nothing wrong with recognizing the value of the material world. What is wrong is ONLY recognizing that value, and failing to recognize the value of the spirit. The spirit does not have to suffer from physical pain, and suffering itself is not senseless.

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Most atheists are not.

Atheists who believe in spirits, but not Source, are gonna be like .0001% of total atheists.

The far far majority of atheists reject all paranormal occurrences.

To me it seems weird that someone would recognize the existence of spirits, telepathy, precognition, multiple spiritual dimensions, etc, but be unable to perceive Source, where it all originates.

I'm saying Source because it has fewer connotations. The point is that even the most anti-Christian spiritual person recognizes some form of supreme oneness. New Agers call it Source or at least the sum total of everyone, or the light within, or whatever.

My point? If you disbelieve in God I strongly doubt you believe in spirits. Even Luciferian cults believe in God; they just believe he is now dead and supplanted by Lucifer lol.

With respect to suicide pill - the stated goal of the Power Elite (according to their own documents) is not to force anyone to take the pill, but to convince society to create pressures that make it shameful to NOT take the pill.

So when you retire, you'll feel this social pressure that tells you the honorable thing to do is suicide so that you aren't a burden on society. The media, schools, and hospitals will encourage this. The whole sales pitch will be to "relieve the burden on society" and make the person feel guilty for being alive but not working.

Mercy killing is just the start of this.

I'm not saying they're gonna succeed, but this is their publicly stated goal. So I find it interesting that you mentioned it.

Implicit in mercy killing is the statement that life is not worth living if the body is in physical pain. This itself is the result of materialism - the idea that ONLY the body exists. In truth physical pain, in a spiritually developed person, is not the end of the world. "Humanism" is the movement that doesn't recognize the spiritual reality and instead only recognizes the value of the material. There is nothing wrong with recognizing the value of the material world. What is wrong is ONLY recognizing that value, and failing to recognize the value of the spirit. The spirit does not have to suffer from physical pain, and suffering itself is not senseless.

first of all there is more then one definition of spiritual. a person doesn't have to believe in the things you consider spiritual to be spiritual.

second do you have stats to prove that most atheists do not believe in all or some of the things you do(minus god of course)

thirdly do you have stats to prove most atheists dont consider themselves spiritual.

fourth even if most dont its not all, and so to label all as what most do would be a stereotype

again i repeat belief in god is only required for belief in god, nothing more.


on suicide i agree its bad to force OR brainwash anyone into suicide. but that doesn't mean having the option is bad.

many get bainwashed into believing in god or following a religion from childhood, which is also bad, so does that mean we should make belief in god and religion illegal? no. its still good to have the option.

we should work on removing the brainwashing if there is any, not remove the option.

[themaster]

The entire debate about suicide as I see it is.. about "Freedom"

when the government says you can't commit suicide.. there in effect suppressing a "freedom" you have already.. the truth is whatever freedoms the government says we can't have, we already have..

I really don't believe in blue laws or laws that suppress "freedom" this includes the idea the government says that we give you your freedom through this license to drive.. (there is a smaller debate in here about some material as I said before that I don’t think is *kosher*)

[Andrew Brunelle]

All that matters is what you believe happens when you commit suicide. Why does everyone always need validation for their beliefs? If you kill yourself, whatever you believe is what's going to happen. If you don't believe it, it can't happen to you.

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by newsbone

Burn,burn,burn and burn you will, that is unless you repent!

You realize that no matter how many times you repeat the word burn, it doesn't make it a reality for anybody other than yourself, and those who share your belief. Everybody else is going to......I dunno swim, fly, sing...there's all sorts of activities one could choose to do when they die, including non-activity. Only those whose god believes in burning people will burn.

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by Susanna77

what happens in the afterlife to someone who commits suicide? what's the general belief?

The possibilities are endless. But I think its fair to say, nobody knows for sure. Not evidentially anyway.