Suicide

[sirkinm]

Originally Posted by newsbone

Never went to class for that, no lesson did I receive for what I proficiently did in the short time I was in this world. Someone/thing taught me this or rather put it in me. God? Yes. Were you born with an empty mind?

Anyone else read this in a Yoda voice? Much darkness in this one, I feel. Yes, hmmm.

[sirkinm]

I'd just like to bring everyone's attention to the fact that most people who commit suicide suffer from varying degrees of mental illness. In the case of a direct family member of mine, he experienced hallucinations, extreme paranoia, and had lost control of his mind. It's amazing to me that people can lack compassion to the extent that their able to mentally relegate these people to their imagined hell.

[bman]

This is one thing I despise about christians and people of religious faith.


They impose their moral values on everyone else.


They think if you take your own life, you will go to hell.


What about those terminally ill patients in excruciating pain from their cancer eating their insides?

You can't cure them, you can't stop their pain, but you want to keep them alive for as long as possible to suffer?

BUNKUM!

If I have a gun in my deathbed one day I will take that christian with me before I go.

The right to die should be legal for the right reasons.

Euthanasia should be legalized!


Religious dickheads should keep their butt out of law/politics.

[yossarian]

you don't need someone to "give" you the right to suicide. Humans are naturally born with this right.

They aren't gonna throw your corpse in jail for killing yourself.

As far as the Christians, would you be pissed if someone told you that if you put your hand on a hot flame you'll get burned? Cause that's all they're doing. No need to hate over it.

Even if you have cancer, if you put your hand on a burning coal you'll get burned. Even if you have cancer, if you step off a building you will splatter and hit the ground. The law of gravity does not end just because you're sick.

The same applies to moral laws, such as the spiritual law that dictates you should respect your own life. Disbelieving in something does not stop it from existing.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by MidasGirl

You realize that no matter how many times you repeat the word burn, it doesn't make it a reality for anybody other than yourself, and those who share your belief. Everybody else is going to......I dunno swim, fly, sing...there's all sorts of activities one could choose to do when they die, including non-activity. Only those whose god believes in burning people will burn.

Are you trying to console your self in any way? swim,fly,sing-the question is where? which lake,pool,ocean? A least you believe in afterlife in as much as your belief being a mirage of some sorts! The idea of a God who purnishes what he considers evil, looks like the problem to you.You are the type who defines freedom as the absence of law;freedom is defined within the presence of the law. You realize no matter how many times you deny the truth, it doesnt really make change the reality;
'And it shall be, that just as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked from off the land which you go to possess'.Deuteronomy 28:63 (New King James Version)
Heaven is conditional not automatic;lest i forget what was it you said you chose to do before you were born?

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

You realize no matter how many times you deny the truth, it doesnt really make change the reality;

and you realize when you have no evidence or logic for a belief then its nothing but your own personal opinion and therefore not valid for anyone else who doesn't want to believe in it.


i say xtianity invented sin so they could control you, and sell you a savior. i have seen no real evidence or logical reason to even believe sin exists at all.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

source is universe.

Did i get this person right? The universe he says; but i thought man has only been to the moon, and sent some objects to mars, how did you research on this? Oh, i forgot it is a theory. The world has become so small to hide our presumed facts rather;conjecture, guesses, presumptions etc, we need somewhere much bigger, the universe--Wow that is very clever of you, nice thinking. Moreover, how did the universe come into being? That should be a foolish question, from nothing it became! Should try to research on nothing or, it obvious you will get nothing because you do not need anything to prove anything. Science does not need to..., you know what am trying to say because it is your statement, Joecoooool!

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

Did i get this person right? The universe he says; but i thought man has only been to the moon, and sent some objects to mars, how did you research on this? Oh, i forgot it is a theory. The world has become so small to hide our presumed facts rather;conjecture, guesses, presumptions etc, we need somewhere much bigger, the universe--Wow that is very clever of you, nice thinking. Moreover, how did the universe come into being? That should be a foolish question, from nothing it became! Should try to research on nothing or, it obvious you will get nothing because you do not need anything to prove anything. Science does not need to..., you know what am trying to say because it is your statement, Joecoooool!

prove your god exists, then prove your god made dna, and then ill believe dna was not simply formed by the universe.

prove your god exists, and prove your god made the universe, then i will believe matter and energy is not simply eternal.

burdens of proof are on you, because you have the extra additional claims. that a god exists and that a god made the universe and that a god made dna.

i have seen no proper evidence or logic to believe those extra additional claims. and so i remain at the simpler more default position.

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by joecooool

prove your god exists, and prove your god made the universe, then i will believe matter and energy is not simply eternal.

Are you aware not all reputable scientists agree with you? Science is there to prove that God exists by the discoveries of his handwork. All the Scientists are baffled by what they discover; it matters least to me to whom they attribute all the wonders they encounter every day. Study the DNA you will see the work of a far superior being whose intelligence is far above the human mind. If your definition of god is matter and energy, then so be it! The dictionary defines god as;

1-the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions
2-A man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people.
3-A material effigy that is worshipped as a god
4-Any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force.

I ascribe to the first definition and based on what and how you believe am convinced yours is the fourth.Gud-dei.

[velvet1]

In my opinion, if someone decides they don't want to be here than I believe they have the right to. Like Erin said if someone leaves the play, well yes they leave the play but they have to move on. The actors have to move on and find better plays out there. Its like seen your favorite show being canceled, it was a great show but we move on to better rolls. You're still able to reunite with the same actors in a better role and different plays. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I really dislike how suicide is view as bad, karma, and just plain wrong. It creates more shame to those that want to do it and so they believe it is best for them to end it because they see no point. Either way they're going to be judge, just as they're in real life. Don't you think if suicide was more acceptable less people would do it? Sometimes, I think about that...

[joecooool]

Originally Posted by newsbone

Are you aware not all reputable scientists agree with you? Science is there to prove that God exists by the discoveries of his handwork. All the Scientists are baffled by what they discover; it matters least to me to whom they attribute all the wonders they encounter every day. Study the DNA you will see the work of a far superior being whose intelligence is far above the human mind. If your definition of god is matter and energy, then so be it! The dictionary defines god as;

1-the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions
2-A man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people.
3-A material effigy that is worshipped as a god
4-Any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force.

I ascribe to the first definition and based on what and how you believe am convinced yours is the fourth.Gud-dei.

so far the evidence and logic for the development of dna is pointing to chemical evolution(abiogenesis).

[MidasGirl]

Originally Posted by newsbone

You realize no matter how many times you deny the truth, it doesnt really make change the reality;

LOL...........Well sure, my denying your truth doesn't change your reality. That's not the point. My point is that your truth is reality only to you. And yes, I definitely have a problem with a vengeful, hateful, fear mongering god. Which is why I'm happy to let people like you keep him. My loving god would kick your hate-filled god's behind.

[sirkinm]

Hey homies,

If you're interested in issues of suicide, you might want to listen to a recent podcast by psychologist David Van Nuys about the subject. Check it out here: The Wise Counsel Podcast: Mental Health and Psychotherapy Interviews

"Dr. Dave" also runs a great podcast called ShrinkRapRadio -- I love it. It's an interview series featuring psychology professionals, often delving into spirituality as well. Look for it on iTunes. I don't know the guy personally or anything -- I just love the podcast, and figured it'll be of interest to a great many of you. I wrote a brief review of it in my up-and-coming website listing the best podcasts on the web

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by MidasGirl

LOL...........Well sure, my denying your truth doesn't change your reality. That's not the point. My point is that your truth is reality only to you. And yes, I definitely have a problem with a vengeful, hateful, fear mongering god. Which is why I'm happy to let people like you keep him. My loving god would kick your hate-filled god's behind.

You got me!

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son[b] into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[c] our sins.Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 JOHN 7-12

[themaster]

Originally Posted by velvet1

Don't you think if suicide was more acceptable less people would do it? Sometimes, I think about that...

We have seen science fiction story's about society's that commit suicide on purpose.. such as Logan’s Run and I forget some star trek episode or too I think..

Of course those all take the negative view that's it wrong.. erin did clarify her argument better in another thread.. and it wasn't as negative as that blog she did..

Most people it's true that commit suicide do it for negative reasons.. and selfish reasons.. (nothing wrong with this.. but in society and as indicated in threads here.. this is considered a Negative reason) what's interesting to note is that those that do it for disease reason.. already started the suicide process by allowing/getting the disease..

I can't honestly say that a society that had open suicide practice but was in this limited reality.. (such as this) but that does remind of a episode of sliders which also showed this (season 1 I think.. maybe 2)

(rephrasing do to my junket above)
I can't honestly say that a society that had open suicide practice but was in this limited reality.. would cause less suicides?? but I think if we were in a less limited reality.. we would be far and away unbothered and okay with people disappearing from physical to non.. in this reality where death is FEARED and a bad thing we continue to see play outs of that theme consistently..

It is my understanding that we will see this theme change within our lifetime.. so keep a eye out