Beliefs can heal diabetes or change color of eyes?

[Rajec]

I right now listening to Giant Within from Anthony Robbins. He says that he interviewed some Yale professor. Professor has told Anthony result of some research about people with multiply personality disorder.

When patient changed their beliefs of who they actualy are, when their personaly has changed their body changed too all in moment. He told that color of pacient eyes has changed, bird marks appeared and dissaper, disseas like diabetes or high pressure appered or dissappear depending on personality.

Do you have any other information about this? This is quiet shocking for me.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Rajec

I right now listening to Giant Within from Anthony Robbins. He says that he interviewed some Yale professor. Professor has told Anthony result of some research about people with multiply personality disorder.

When patient changed their beliefs of who they actualy are, when their personaly has changed their body changed too all in moment. He told that color of pacient eyes has changed, bird marks appeared and dissaper, disseas like diabetes or high pressure appered or dissappear depending on personality.

Do you have any other information about this? This is quiet shocking for me.

I've read up a bit on this type of thing too and some people who wear glasses can see fine when they shift to another personality. I think it is totally possible if not probable its true.

[Eric Roosevelt]

No doubt there are some amazing occurences in the world. However, you'd have to give a few examples of beliefs which could change the color of your eyes in order to have a meaningful discussion. Otherwise it's just going to turn into "wow, it must be a miracle". Which is fun, but not very useful.

One belief that I can think of that would change your eye color, is the belief that you can go to your optician and buy some colored lenses.

[Rajec]

Originally Posted by Eric Roosevelt

No doubt there are some amazing occurences in the world. However, you'd have to give a few examples of beliefs which could change the color of your eyes in order to have a meaningful discussion. Otherwise it's just going to turn into "wow, it must be a miracle". Which is fun, but not very useful.

One belief that I can think of that would change your eye color, is the belief that you can go to your optician and buy some colored lenses.

Anthony didn't say what shift exactly has happend that why I am asking.

[magi13]

can you cite the research article?

[Antarananda]

I'd have a hard time believing, too, unless I saw the research or real evidence. Lot of these so-called Gurus (Joe Vitale is the worst) flaunt non-existent or flawed "scientific studies" to peddle their pseudo-scientific wares.

[Rajec]

Originally Posted by magi13

can you cite the research article?

As I said Anthony Robinns said that. I am goint to listen again to his audiobook. I will try to catch name this time.

[angus]

My girlfriend swears she changed her eye color, from blue to green, when she was a little girl, simply by concentrating on the task for several weeks. FWIW, I believe her.

cheers,
Angus

[timothydrake]

I believe it. I changed my clothes with merely a thought. I changed to a guy named Dave Chappele and made fun of black people for a few years and got away with it and even had a show on cable. I once even changed to Cash Warren to have sex with Jessica Alba. She will never know tee hee! oh wait....

[Ariel Bravy]

Our entire experience of physical reality is completely determined by our beliefs about how it operates. Completely.

When we're born, we sort of unconsciously buy into the collective reality of how the physical universe operates. Things that don't exist in the non-physical, gravity for example, exist here in physical reality. Gravity, along with time and space, are not universal laws. They're simply local "laws" that exist only within this reality. They are limited to the confines of our minds. Our imagination.

This makes it easier to function in this world. We don't have to worry about this like gravity. They just automatically operate for us without having to be learn about it or worry about floating into space. These "laws" can be overridden by seeing through the illusions of time and space, but generally there's no reason to override those deeply held belief systems because it would really freak people out and it's not necessary to experience who you really are.

There is not one reality. There are an infinite number of parallel realities. Everything already exists now. The universe is like a hologram in which everything exists now, but as you change the angle you view the hologram from, you see a different "version" of the whole.

By shifting our vibrations and changing our belief systems, we alter what version of existence we experience.

In every moment you are a completely new person, experiencing a completely new reality. Now is a new reality. Now you're in a different reality. And now you're in a different reality. And in between each of those moments you passed through an infinite number of parallel realities.

The thing is that you do so with a sense of continuity, like watching a bunch of individual frames on a TV screen. Because each moment of creation looks similar to the previous one, you get a sense of movement, as if there was one continuous movie on the TV screen, but there's really a bunch of individual frames.

People with multiple personality disorder, for example, are breaking the sense of continuity. You'll find that one personality has cancer, while the other doesn't. One personality will have a broken bone, and when they switch to another personality, that personality never had a broken bone and thus that person has a totally fine bone.

These people are breaking continuity unconsciously. They are showing us what is for any of us to do, but they are doing it without consciously controlling it. We can learn to break continuity consciously, such as in the previously mentioned example of a girlfriend changing the color of her eyes.

All personal development is based upon the premise jumping from a less desirable parallel reality to a more reliable parallel reality.

If you believe that you need to make the transition gradually, you can do that. If you believe that you can literally make a quantum leap from being one person to being a totally different person, you can break continuity and do that.

It's entirely up to you. Who you believe yourself to be entirely determines who you experience yourself to be.

Now who you really are is beyond all sense of identity, but who you believe yourself to be determines what version of yourself as the totality you experience yourself to be here in physical reality.

[bman]

Does this mean we can live forever and don't age if we wanted to ? hehehe.

[Antarananda]

You know Ariel, it's all fine to believe what you do, and no disrespect intended, but this is the sort of "truth" that a lot of the LOA "experts" are selling, and there is little verifiable evidence.

Just to clarify my position, I am not a dyed-in-the-wool skeptic who discounts all paranormal phenomena or believes that science holds all answers. Far from it. I have explored many philosophies, and actively practice alternative medicine and healing despite being a qualified Western Medicine doctor. However, when such big claims are made, I like to see real evidence.

Deepak Chopra rose to fame after he wrote his first bestselling book "Ageless Body, Timeless mind". Inspiring book, no doubt, but if the principles in the book are indeed universally applicable, how has he not been able to arrest the biological aging processes of his own body? How come he now needs glasses, when he previously had perfect eyesight? I'm not even talking about becoming immortal, just the small stuff.

Joe Vitale loves marketing himself as being an expert at "attracting" things into his life (including his $375,000 Rolls Royce.) When a person challenged him to reverse his baldness and grow hair, notice that he said if he wanted to, he could "attract" toupees and hair transplants. Why didn't he say he would be able to grow a full head of his own natural hair?

You say,

Originally Posted by Ariel Bravy

People with multiple personality disorder, for example, are breaking the sense of continuity. You'll find that one personality has cancer, while the other doesn't. One personality will have a broken bone, and when they switch to another personality, that personality never had a broken bone and thus that person has a totally fine bone.

Have you personally seen such cases? Can you point me out to the scientific literature where such a case has been documented? If not, I will dismiss it as your own imagination. BTW, MPD is now clinically known as Dissociative Identity Disorder.

I do believe the holographic universe concept. In fact Advaita Vedanta, which I have studied and investigated through meditation for over a decade now, considers the universe to be nothing but mind-stuff, and I agree. However it is an inaccurate extrapolation to then believe that you and I have the magical ability to consciously alter the fabric of that holographic universe at will.

There are many, many accounts in Hindu mythology of great Rishis (mystics who have mastered superconscious states) who were able to create entire universes at will. However, I have not come across any such individuals in our present day world. So, I regard all theories of you and I being able to alter perceived reality at will as mere feel-good emotion with zero practical applicability.

It would be cool to have the ability to alter reality, but unfortunately, we do not - at least not in this physical dimension. Each time you and I explore alternate "universes" and come back to waking consciousness, this world and our bodies remain as they were last perceived. Gravity is no more "imaginary" than your own perception that you have a physical body and are interacting with other physical bodies trough this physical medium of the internet. In the realm of duality it is as real as can be, and I challenge you to prove otherwise by manipulating it at will.

[Rajec]

I found the name of the psychologist it is Dr. Bernie Siegel from Yale..

[Eric Roosevelt]

Hey Rajec, why don't you give it a try? If you have some experience with LoA, then start by visualizing your eyes in a different color. Progressively add more emotion to your visualizations, until they become both clear and vivid to you at the same time. Make it feel real. Give it some time and see what happens. (No irony intended. Try it out.)

[lifeforce]

I only have small personal proofs of beliefchange and manifistation. I primarily did it in the aerea of success with women. As a shy kid and kinda dorky, I never had much luck with the ladies. I had like one girlfriend in 4th grade and that was it. A few months ago however I started doing mirror affirmations 20 minutes a day. Reaffirming that Yeah, I am a sexy goodlooking guy and women love me everywhere I go. It took one month to see results. Well, I´m now living that reality, and getting women is as easy as taking a sip of water. My confidence and self love is at an all time high.

If you watch the secret, theres a woman who cures cancer in three months and a guy who miraculesly walks again after breaking his spine in a plain accident - doctors told him he would be in a wheelchair the rest of his life.

So yea, if the mind can cure cancer and make paralyzed people walk again, why shouldnt you be able to change eye color. I´d like to do it. Not out of nesessity, but because it would be a fun experiment. Though I think having purpule cat eyes might be a harder task.

Bruce Lipton goes deep into how our beliefs change our genes. The genes have the codes for everything humanly possible, so if you believe, the right genes will start to activate. Why is it that if you tell yourself youre sick, you´re sick in two days? Why is it that people who are convinced they never get sick, never get sick? It´s not all diet and drugs.

And lets get into blind studies. Where one group of people gets a shuggar pill and the other group of people gets the supplyment/drug. How many times have the shuggarpill had the same effect or even better results than the test group. It´s all in the mind.

[MysteryX]

Changing your energies (which usually happens when you change a belief) for sure does have an impact on your physical body. It can make you look younger, in better shape, change your facial expressions, body posture, etc.

For changing eye color, I don't know, but for healing diabete, it for sure can! I can talk from personal experience that my daltonism improved, even though it is a genetic deficienty. I don't believe in the limits as to what you can heal or alter.

[aggie]

i believe anything is possible and there are many more realities than we know!

i believe we all some power to go in and out and travel thru them.

i believe there are parallel realities.

i believe in mind over matter.

i believe in miracle cures.

i believe we all utalize and experience these things sometimes unknowingly in very subtle small ways daily.

i believe we all have so much more power to learn how to use it to greater achievement.

[Michelle]

In Louise Hay's book "You Can Heal Your Life" she lists diseases and symptoms along with their underlying causes. This may be of interest to you.

I think every single thing in our reality is a reflection of who we are inside. So, it doesn't matter if you have a tickle in your throat or full blown terminal cancer, by addressing their underlying causes you can invite health and well-being into your life.

[Indy107]

Originally Posted by bman

Does this mean we can live forever and don't age if we wanted to ? hehehe.

Aging is simply a belief. Beliefs can be changed.

Turning Back Time | Illusion of Time

[Indy107]

As far as the possibly of beliefs controlling our biology, I would suggest reading Dr Bruce Lipton's - The Biology of Belief.

There is a whole new field of Biology emerging called Epigenetics. And it is directly related to our beliefs.

Tons of articles and Youtube videos are available on the net.

It just so happens, the topic of my blog is beliefs. Good as place as any to start.

"If you can believe, all things are possible"

[mbg]

Originally Posted by Rajec

I right now listening to Giant Within from Anthony Robbins. He says that he interviewed some Yale professor. Professor has told Anthony result of some research about people with multiply personality disorder.

When patient changed their beliefs of who they actualy are, when their personaly has changed their body changed too all in moment. He told that color of pacient eyes has changed, bird marks appeared and dissaper, disseas like diabetes or high pressure appered or dissappear depending on personality.

Do you have any other information about this? This is quiet shocking for me.

Yes, many believe in the ability to heal onself. I suggest you check out Louise Hay's book, You Can Heal Your Life as well. Louise believes we are each responsible for our own reality and 'dis-ease'" and that we make ourselves ill by having thoughts of self-hatred. She speaks from experience as she details the abuse she experienced and her subsequent Cancer diagnosis (which she beat). For more on Louise Hay and Spirtuality and Wellness tips I think you should check out MindBodyGreen.com

[interchangeable]

My eyes actually do change color, of their own accord, as do my 22 year old daughter's. We tried keeping seperate *eye color journals* for a month to see if there was some sort of correlation between us or to see if weather, mood, etc had anything to do with that day's eye color. We couldn't find any traceable explanation. Her eyes change back and forth from brilliant blue to slightly green, but are most often brilliant blue. My eyes change from various shades of blue, to green, to gray and often, each eye is a different color. One will be blue and one green for instance. I have no idea why this happens and have yet to unearth an explanation.

But I did have a cool experience about 10 years ago. I bought a cheap mood ring at the variety store one day. By cheap, I mean it was, like $2...lol. Anyway, one night I was laying on my couch and I happened to be reading a book about visualizing your body filled with different colors, with each color representing a mood, feeling, state of mind, or what have you. That if you had a strong visualization of your body being filled with a particular color, you could *fill yourself* with whatever you *attached* to that color. I lay back and really worked at the visualization, imagining the strong color even infusing my hair, not just to the ends, but actually leaking out the ends of every hair and into the air around me. I was so full of color that it was leaking out my skin.

When I was done, I happened to look at the mood ring. Wow. It was the exact same color I visualized!! So I did it again, using a different color. Same result!!! I got so darn good at it, that I could just close my eyes for one minute, intensely visualize my body filling with a certain color and TA-DA, my ring would change.

My co-workers bugged me daily to do it because it was just so darn cool. They'd make a color request, I'd hold out my hand and they'd all stand around, looking at my ring. Then I'd close my eyes and visualize. I knew within moments that it was working because I'd hear them all oohing and ahhing at my ring...lol. I'm talking, black, dark midnight blue, light tourmaline blue, orange, red, dark green, light green, yellow, purple, etc. It was a very wide range of colors. They'd say, "Make it light purple" and I would, in a matter of 30 seconds to a minute, depending on what the starting color was.

The ring eventually broke and I never did replace it, but funny. I was just thinking about that last week and wondering if I should go buy another. It was rather amusing, ya know?

I should see if I can do the same thing with the colors my eyes change to.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Antarananda

Have you personally seen such cases? Can you point me out to the scientific literature where such a case has been documented?

This particular phenomenon is quite well-known, actually. As the patient "enters" into each personality, he or she can exhibit different physiological signs (each fitting one particular personality).

Some of the hardcore scientific research is here:

ScienceDirect - Psychiatry Research : Differential autonomic nervous system activity in multiple personality disorder

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6371727

The psychophysiological investigation of multiple ...[Am J Clin Hypn. 1992] - PubMed Result

^ Reinders AA, Nijenhuis ER, Quak J, et al. (2006). "Psychobiological characteristics of dissociative identity disorder: A symptom provocation study". Biol. Psychiatry 60 (7): 730–40. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2005.12.019. PMID 17008145.

[Mogget]

My eye color changes, always has - various shades of grey/blue and green.... obviously i don't notice it happen but I have lost track of the number of times I have been interrupted in the middle of a sentence by someone exclaiming "Holy **** your eyes just changed color!!!" - as this happens mid sentence I don't attribute it to what I am wearing (which does influence the predominant shade) - I can only assume that there are a LOT of micro muscles at play changing the skin/muscles around my eyes, pupil dilation, maybe even factors like eye wetness/redness which shift and alter the perception of the color for try as I might I can't find a way for pigmentation itself to be influenced by mental state....
Blood pressure and diabetes are far easier to explain as blood pressure can be learned to be controlled deliberately to a degree anyhow, ad insulin responses in the body can occur just from anticipating sweet foods - so these things are already tied into the mind body loop....

[Aleksander Krstic]

Originally Posted by Antarananda

You know Ariel, it's all fine to believe what you do, and no disrespect intended, but this is the sort of "truth" that a lot of the LOA "experts" are selling, and there is little verifiable evidence.

The point of LOA/SR is not about evidence, it's about personal experience. You can't experience anything you don't believe in.

[Antarananda]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

This particular phenomenon is quite well-known, actually. As the patient "enters" into each personality, he or she can exhibit different physiological signs (each fitting one particular personality).

Some of the hardcore scientific research is here:

ScienceDirect - Psychiatry Research : Differential autonomic nervous system activity in multiple personality disorder

The psychophysiologic investigation of multiple pe...[Psychiatr Clin North Am. 1984] - PubMed Result

The psychophysiological investigation of multiple ...[Am J Clin Hypn. 1992] - PubMed Result

^ Reinders AA, Nijenhuis ER, Quak J, et al. (2006). "Psychobiological characteristics of dissociative identity disorder: A symptom provocation study". Biol. Psychiatry 60 (7): 730–40. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2005.12.019. PMID 17008145.

I challenged Ariel's claim that one "personality" has cancer or a broken bone while the other does not. Again, it is no longer clinically labeled MPD. These studies merely speak of change in simple physiological markers like neuroendocrine functioning, which are a lot more believable. Heck, I can instantly alter my heart rate, and EEG at will through entering samadhi states in meditation.

Bringing mindfulness reduces cortisol and epinephrine levels, and impacts physiological responses in tissues - that I agree with. Even eye color change - had a childhood friend who exhibited that. But to suggest that the entire body morphs into that of another person is a stretch.

I do wish to add here, that more recently I enjoyed listening to an American enlightened teacher, Adyashanti, speak about how he entered this vision of Reality, and experienced how this reality was like a vast fabric of consciousness, with light switches, and merely flicking switches on or off could alter the physical reality in the body instantly. He experienced instant cure from his facial paralysis (IIRC) through this vision. He went on to suggest that it probably was how Jesus could access miraculous healing abilities. He then added that it was not something he could ever trigger again consciously, and nor did he have the desire to do so.

Originally Posted by Aleksander Krstic

The point of LOA/SR is not about evidence, it's about personal experience. You can't experience anything you don't believe in.

You're preaching to the choir For the past 15 years I have been fascinated and immersed in very subjective states of consciousness through meditation. I have had some pretty far out experiences of reality myself

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Antarananda

I challenged Ariel's claim that one "personality" has cancer or a broken bone while the other does not.

How about:

1. diabetes in one personality, but not in the others?

2. Different reactions by different personalities to the same drug?

3. Different food allergies, in different personalities?

4. Different vision, to the extent that the person carries around different pairs of glasses, so that he can wear the right glasses for each personality?

5. Colour blindness in one personality, but not in the other personalities?

NEW FOCUS ON MULTIPLE PERSONALITY - New York Times

[TonyToneTone]

My Dad's eyes change depending on what we're talking about and how much he has slept (if he's well rested). It's pretty cool. They turn from black to bright blue.

[Antarananda]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

How about:

1. diabetes in one personality, but not in the others?

2. Different reactions by different personalities to the same drug?

3. Different food allergies, in different personalities?

4. Different vision, to the extent that the person carries around different pairs of glasses, so that he can wear the right glasses for each personality?

5. Colour blindness in one personality, but not in the other personalities?

NEW FOCUS ON MULTIPLE PERSONALITY - New York Times

Sorry, ALG, but I asked for published studies, not a New York Times article from 1985. The understanding of this condition has evolved a lot in the 24 years since. The DSM-IV doesn't even call it multiple personality disorder anymore.

I asked for published studies, not because I have some vested ego interest in proving people wrong, but merely because I was doubtful about the medical "facts" being stated here.

I quickly looked through PubMed and I've found no instances of the kinds of cases that the NY Times article speaks of. The current understanding is that etiology is likely in most all cases trauma and childhood abuse, and signs and symptoms include varying psychophysiological types including anxiety, substance abuse etc, but there is no mention of organic pathological states like diabetes or cancer etc.

In the medical references I checked they only speak about depersonalization, derealization, amnesia, and identity alteration. That's it.

Here's the Merck online manual: Dissociative Identity Disorder: Dissociative Disorders: Merck Manual Professional

In the meanwhile, I have friends and colleagues who are Psychiatrists. I'll follow up with them and ask whether they have seen any cases like the ones you insist exist.

[Acting Like Godot]

Antaranda, I am not particularly interested in proving any specific point either. I was just offering a few tidbits to the discussion.

I thought that the link I supplied was not too bad though. It is a New York Times article citing a psychiatrist (Frank Putnam) from the National Institute of Mental Health, who has actually published a textbook on the topic.

Maybe you could suspend your skepticism long enough to check out Putnam's medical textbook at your local library. After all, he probably isn't a New Age guru like Joe Vitale. Also, Putnam would presumably have done more research on the condition, than your other friends who are also psychiatrists.