Subjective Reality Q&A

[Hoyoki]

Hello. I am new to this idea of subjective reality, and while it is intriguing I'm wondering about a couple things that I would like to hear your thoughts about:

1. Dreamless sleep - according to SR, I am the consciousness in which everything exists. My head is within this consciousness instead of the other way around. In SR, why then do "I" seem to "disappear" when my body sleeps?

2. Thoughts - I realize I may be taking the SR model way too literally with this, but here goes. From what I understand, in SR thoughts create your reality. You use your imagination to create thoughts. These thoughts do not come from your body. Why then are all my thoughts in the form of my current reality? In other words, they are always visual, auditory, etc., in nature. I cannot imagine things that are "unimaginable", only things that use the material provided by my sensory perceptions. For example, I cannot imagine a world of ten dimensions, because my body has always perceived a world of three spatial dimensions. I can't even imagine any colors beyond what I've already seen, or imagine a dozen things in parallel.

If my thoughts don't come from my body it would seem to reason that I would be capable of infinite forms, but as it is my thoughts feed off of what is already in my reality, thus creating a loop where nothing "new" can be created. Everything about my thoughts just seems to be tied to the way my brain works. Why do my thoughts use the same language that my brain understands? Would pure consciousness even use language? If it's because I believe that I can't imagine the unimaginable, how would I possibly change that belief without using the very same imagination that I'm trying to change? In other words, how would you "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" and use your thoughts to change thought itself?

Of course, the OR explanation would be that since I am human brain I can only conceive of things that a human brain can conceive and perceive.

[magi13]

It's premise is that, you see the world according to your perception, change your perception, and you can view the world in a whole new perspective.

The only thing that constraints you here is your imagination. Let your imagination freely create your perspective.

[ilrein]

Excellent questions.

1. Dreamless sleep - according to SR, I am the consciousness in which everything exists. My head is within this consciousness instead of the other way around. In SR, why then do "I" seem to "disappear" when my body sleeps?

Let's change this perspective. You, as you are now, is but a fragment of the majestic consciousness of your soul. For simplicity, we will say there is both dream reality and physical reality. When you go to sleep, and access dream reality, does the physical reality disappear? No. You simply shift your attention elsewhere. When you are awake, does the dream reality disappear? No. You simply shift your attention elsewhere.

If my thoughts don't come from my body it would seem to reason that I would be capable of infinite forms, but as it is my thoughts feed off of what is already in my reality, thus creating a loop where nothing "new" can be created. Everything about my thoughts just seems to be tied to the way my brain works.

Indeed, you are capable of infinite forms. To bring awareness into your idea of a loop without creativity, one could look at the literature world. In literature, nothing is truly new. When you read a book, it contains elements of many other books before it. You cannot start fresh. However, does this mean there is no point of reading? Of course not. Instead, we have been given the materials and tools that we may use creativity, to write and explore epic sagas of our own.

Why do my thoughts use the same language that my brain understands? Would pure consciousness even use language?

Another change in frame of mind is needed. Assume that as a human being, you possess both physical and psychic elements, fused psychologically. Language is symbolic form of telepathy. Humankind dreamed up language and words. Really there is no 'higher' consciousness, just consciousness that is aware of more. These "higher' consciousness would not use language as we do, but telepathically communicate with mood, emotion and imagery combined, but explaining it in English is already a distortion of the explanation.

If it's because I believe that I can't imagine the unimaginable, how would I possibly change that belief without using the very same imagination that I'm trying to change? In other words, how would you "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" and use your thoughts to change thought itself?

When you pointed out that your thoughts are based on sensory perception, and as such you are limited to it, you are only partly correct. As I said before, human beings possess both physical and psychic elements. When you are in dream reality, you experience it with different "senses", but as soon as you recall and translate it in the waking state, you convert them. It's like a poet who has ruined his work by putting it into language. However, this is a terrible way to frame it. Rather, we can simply accept that we exist on multiple dimensions simultaneously, and by changing our focus, we can tune in to those other ones. In fact, we do so many times without even being aware.

There are both physical senses, and inner psychic senses. We can't truly experience the psychic senses to their full potential, because our nerve systems can't handle that much stimulus at once. You could say the ego is tool, to limit the information we receive, to prevent system overload. A quick summarized copy + paste of the inner senses are below, basically everything I have told you is related to the teachings of the Seth entity, in case you wonder about the source.

Inner Vibrational Touch - consciousness expands to contain other living things, like empathy but perceived as an overall impression like hot or cold.

Psych Time - relax, turn of physical, tune in inner focus inward.

Perception of Past, Present, Future - time expanded Inner Vibrational Touch

The Conceptual Sense - complete understanding of concept on all levels

Cognition of Knowledgeable Essence - stronger instantaneous cognition of the essence

Innate Knowledge of Basic Reality - particular data to make manipulation possible - instinct

Expansion or Contraction of the Tissue Capsule - "tissue" surrounding consciousness in any system - astral

Disentanglement from Camouflage - change of frequency

Diffusion by the Energy Personality - birth - projection into systems

[Judge]

In SR, everything, including sleep, dreams and the daytime physical reality are all inside consciousness. You don't lie down, fall alseep and dream, because not only do thoughts not take place in your head, but dreams don't either.

Thoughts (like everything) are inside the SR container called awareness. They too are creations. So do thoughts create? I don't believe so. That's another part of the illusion like we think we have a dream inside our heads at night.

The purpose of the SR perspective is to become responsible for life itself, not in an egoic selfish way, but to realise what you are and why. It's very empowering, but it bakes a lot of people's noodles

Judge

[Parthon]

Originally Posted by Hoyoki

Hello. I am new to this idea of subjective reality, and while it is intriguing I'm wondering about a couple things that I would like to hear your thoughts about:

1. Dreamless sleep - according to SR, I am the consciousness in which everything exists. My head is within this consciousness instead of the other way around. In SR, why then do "I" seem to "disappear" when my body sleeps?

2. Thoughts - I realize I may be taking the SR model way too literally with this, but here goes. From what I understand, in SR thoughts create your reality. You use your imagination to create thoughts. These thoughts do not come from your body. Why then are all my thoughts in the form of my current reality? In other words, they are always visual, auditory, etc., in nature. I cannot imagine things that are "unimaginable", only things that use the material provided by my sensory perceptions. For example, I cannot imagine a world of ten dimensions, because my body has always perceived a world of three spatial dimensions. I can't even imagine any colors beyond what I've already seen, or imagine a dozen things in parallel.

If my thoughts don't come from my body it would seem to reason that I would be capable of infinite forms, but as it is my thoughts feed off of what is already in my reality, thus creating a loop where nothing "new" can be created. Everything about my thoughts just seems to be tied to the way my brain works. Why do my thoughts use the same language that my brain understands? Would pure consciousness even use language? If it's because I believe that I can't imagine the unimaginable, how would I possibly change that belief without using the very same imagination that I'm trying to change? In other words, how would you "lift yourself up by the bootstraps" and use your thoughts to change thought itself?

Of course, the OR explanation would be that since I am human brain I can only conceive of things that a human brain can conceive and perceive.

I my personal view there is consciousness which contains everything. Then there is you and your thoughts that surface in your mind. Your intention and your will are from the greater consciousness, but your personal thoughts and feelings are not. The problem is that few people can tell the difference from their thoughts and their awareness.

Sleep: Your awareness fades from your matter body and spreads out into the greater consciousness. It still gets feedback from your mind, but it may not be acutely aware of it. It's this area where dreams occur.

Thoughts are what occurs in your mechanical brain. Your awareness or will is what comes from the greater consciousness. Who you think you are is the intersection of the two. The greater consciousness can imagine 10 dimensions, but your brain cannot, for it has only seen two. Your experience is limited by your brain, but your awareness is not. There's a difference between being aware of something and experience it though. Your awareness can imagine anything, but your brain can only hold concepts of which it already knows.

Everything you experience is filtered by the brain. The awareness/brain link is your connection between the real and unreal worlds. The idea though is not to force your brain into a completely unrealistic view, but in creating a view it considers possibly and inspire it to work towards that new view. Imagine a future, one that doesn't already exist, and you are creating something new. Working towards putting that into action through planning and strategy is an act of awarenss, not of the brain. That's where your power comes from. Using your awareness and will to do what it takes now in order to funfil an imagined future.