What is ascension? Ascension to where?

[Dan.Linehan]

I see this word tossed around frequently in spirituality, but I don't know what it means. I'm especially curious because I read somewhere today that the whole entire *overall purpose* of the human race being created and evolving is for us all to "reach ascension."

But what does ascension even mean? Is it just going to the the ether when you die? Can I just play video games all day every day and still ascend?

[Joshiepoo3000]

Ascension only means to rise. In every context. What rises and where you rise to is what matters. What Jesus spoke of in ascension was rising above sin. Our sin in the present keeps us on earth. We will never go to another planet with life, because of our sin. We are the only planet close enough to us with life. It does not matter if there is other life out there, because it will never change where we will be rooted. We cannot save the world, because God will destroy it and make a new one. Do not fear death or sin if you are saved by Jesus. When you choose Him, he chooses you. When he chooses you, the choice has been mad. It has been made in the Father, and the Father will not change the past. The Father is time and space. He will not make a mistake, because he will not correct one. Thus Jesus will not take His choice back. You were put on this earth because of your sin, thus you will always sin on this earth. The Jews are God's chosen people. They do not have to choose Him, because He has already chosen them. There is no Jewish man in hell. Jesus loves you and them. If you love Jesus by choosing Him, then he will never let you go to hell. It is not alright to sin and you should feel bad and ask for forgiveness when you do, but if you ask Jesus to choose you, then He will never lose you.

[tropicality]

There is a very thorough answer here, What is Ascension? article

And in reply to Joshiepoo3000 (this is not directly aimed at you, but at all religeon as a whole). I am working on an article about this, but mainly:

When we look at the overall universe being 13.7 billion years old, and humanity being no more than maybe a few million years old (think cavemen..) then it is very likely someone else exists out there who is billions of years old, many of them live on the astral because there are less restrictions to having a physical body. When we are finally able to expand our awareness across the universe and look at it in this way, we can see that the 'God' that religions worship today, is very much the same as the early christian belief that the sun/stars revolved around the Earth. Only when we were able to expand our awareness further out into the universe, were we able to understand that in fact, this was false. I see the same thing happening with religion today, we must expand our awareness if we are to evolve, we must realize that we have the ability to alter our reality through the power of thought. We are not at the mercy of some 'thoughtform', we do not have to fear that they will strike us down or torment us for all of eternity if we do something wrong, those who created us merely did so with a purpose in mind, and have left us here to do as we wish. We were in fact created to be 'gods' which is very plainly acknowledged in ancient texts (Greek, Mayan, Sumerian, Egyptian) predating christianity and all the new religions. We save our own souls. There is a process layed out for 'ascension' (achieving godhead) in the temples of egypt and many other ancient texts predating christianity. And no it does not involve handing yourself over to some thoughtform who uses your psychic energy. It involves work, meditation, expansion of conciousness and greater awareness. If you decide to seek the truth and not live in ignorance, I congratulate you, for not everyone makes it to the afterlife.

[skydust]

great link tropicality, thanks for posting it.

here is what my guides had to say about ascension:

~ What is ascension?
it is a 'higher' state of being. interdimensional. a shift in consciousness.

~ What changes will this ascension bring about in the physical sense as observed by people on this planet?
people will perceive themselves differently.

~ How will this shift occur, one day to the next, or how long in terms of earth time?
it is a gradual process, occuring now and approx during next 20 years. it is a shift in consciousness.

[Joshiepoo3000]

If a man could save his own soul, then he would save it and worry no more. If a man does save his own soul, then he is heartless in deed, because he does not share his love of himself with others in order to quiet their misery. Jesus spoke of peace and men judge Him because some of his followers do not work peace. Does a son judge his father because the stranger will not listen? No. Neither should a man judge the teacher because some students do not hear. Should the teacher blame the student because he is deaf? No, and my teacher does not. My teacher has used sign language.

[Erin Pavlina]

Skydust had answers that coincide with mine.

Ascension means to evolve your consciousness. If we can all ascend/evolve, we will shift our consciousness to a higher plane.

You can't ascend playing video games all day as far as I'm aware. Unless you recognize that life itself is like a video game (ala Steve's blog entry) and you're evolving and raising your consciousness inside "the game." Play the game of life.

[internal_affairs12]

peace, i dont know if that is exactly true, because the jews are no longer the chosen people they have deviated, from the path of god. If one follows the bible in concept, when it says, when u see written( go ye not in the way of the gentile nor the samarians but go ye to the lost sheep of the house of israel)then we know in english language (of) is preposition denoting ownership, so it is isreal , who hold (the children)hostage. Thus jesus, sent the desciples on a specific mission to free them, whom is captive by isreal (zionist jews). The other jews have not challenged those jews among their house to bring them into submission to god, so they lost their place as the chosen, and god chose the (lost sheep, of the house of israel).


If u recalled jacob wrestled with the angel, over night, and his name was changed to (israel)but notice he said through the night and not the day, for the day is for the lord, jacob was given knowledge of self and god, yet did not use it wisely , only to build israel, but destroy, others with the power that god gave. You become a servent of god when u have divine knowledge, so the book asked what man, having a light would hide it under a buschel basket.

peace

Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000

Ascension only means to rise. In every context. What rises and where you rise to is what matters. What Jesus spoke of in ascension was rising above sin. Our sin in the present keeps us on earth. We will never go to another planet with life, because of our sin. We are the only planet close enough to us with life. It does not matter if there is other life out there, because it will never change where we will be rooted. We cannot save the world, because God will destroy it and make a new one. Do not fear death or sin if you are saved by Jesus. When you choose Him, he chooses you. When he chooses you, the choice has been mad. It has been made in the Father, and the Father will not change the past. The Father is time and space. He will not make a mistake, because he will not correct one. Thus Jesus will not take His choice back. You were put on this earth because of your sin, thus you will always sin on this earth. The Jews are God's chosen people. They do not have to choose Him, because He has already chosen them. There is no Jewish man in hell. Jesus loves you and them. If you love Jesus by choosing Him, then he will never let you go to hell. It is not alright to sin and you should feel bad and ask for forgiveness when you do, but if you ask Jesus to choose you, then He will never lose you.

[Joshiepoo3000]

Originally Posted by internal_affairs12

peace, i dont know if that is exactly true, because the jews are no longer the chosen people they have deviated, from the path of god. If one follows the bible in concept, when it says, when u see written( go ye not in the way of the gentile nor the samarians but go ye to the lost sheep of the house of israel)then we know in english language (of) is preposition denoting ownership, so it is isreal , who hold (the children)hostage. Thus jesus, sent the desciples on a specific mission to free them, whom is captive by isreal (zionist jews). The other jews have not challenged those jews among their house to bring them into submission to god, so they lost their place as the chosen, and god chose the (lost sheep, of the house of israel).


If u recalled jacob wrestled with the angel, over night, and his name was changed to (israel)but notice he said through the night and not the day, for the day is for the lord, jacob was given knowledge of self and god, yet did not use it wisely , only to build israel, but destroy, others with the power that god gave. You become a servent of god when u have divine knowledge, so the book asked what man, having a light would hide it under a buschel basket.

peace

I see your point and it makes sense. I am correct in what happens to God's chosen people, but incorrect in who those chosen people are. So it is true that denouncing Christ loses your place in heaven. Thank you, Internal_Affairs12. I see now how much more important the choice for Jesus really is for ALL of us.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000

I see now how much more important the choice for Jesus really is for ALL of us.

Not for me, Joshiepoo. Please do not speak for me. The choice for any superstitious belief is not important for me at all.

Especially not ones that proselytize. Most especially not ones that attempt to manipulate me with threats of punishment for not conforming.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by Angela

Not for me, Joshiepoo. Please do not speak for me. The choice for any superstitious belief is not important for me at all.

Especially not ones that proselytize. Most especially not ones that attempt to manipulate me with threats of punishment for not conforming.

I have to say I agree...every thread Joshiepoo posts in he has to say something about Jesus and how we are all pretty much wrong and doomed. Well I do not subscribe to that belief and I would appreciate Joshiepoo not making these statements as if they are factual...No one has it figured out quiet yet and sticking to one belief like that only hinders you from figuring it out...

[Trina]

Originally Posted by Joshiepoo3000

I see your point and it makes sense. I am correct in what happens to God's chosen people, but incorrect in who those chosen people are. So it is true that denouncing Christ loses your place in heaven. Thank you, Internal_Affairs12. I see now how much more important the choice for Jesus really is for ALL of us.

LOL, then I must be DOOMED.

It's one thing to say that in your own life a belief in Jesus helps you to find peace or joy. Quite another to imply that we all need Jesus to find it and if we don't have Jesus we will go to hell.

Why don't we get back on topic?

[Adam]

Actually, Angela, it is quite interesting that you brought up giving people freedom in the context of love, because I was thinking of sharing a story of my first girlfriend to show that love isn't always easy.

I'm sure most of us remember how we felt the first time that we fell in love; how we opened up our most vulnerable feelings to that person, knowing intellectually that the chances were that we would have our hearts broken, yet still giving ourselves entirely anyways.

Looking back now, I can see that it wasn't the best relationship to enter into. My girlfriend was very fickle, changing relationships with the season, yet I still fell in love with her absolutely. I have to admit, I was a complete nerd, so it probably wasn't very hard for me to become attached like I did.

Our relationship lasted for about three months. During that time, I was the first of my friends to get a car and a license, so I became the standard driver for my group. At the end of two months, though, my girlfriend started asking me to drop her off at another friend's house before school. As that month went on, she asked me to drop her off more often, and despite being in so much love, I wasn't blind... When she finally got around to telling me, I had already figured it out myself. I let her go without ceremony, just simply told her "I know," and let her go on her way. I think I only cried once, but my heart ached... yet because I loved her so much, I couldn't do anything that I knew would hurt her, despite how much it hurt me.

I think that being able to do anything to help another person, no matter how much it hurts, is a clear sign of love, but sacrificing yourself isn't a requirement of love. We may not be able to control who it is that we fall in love with, but until we can learn how to love unconditionally, it is best to love those who can return that love so that we don't need to face decisions between hurting ourselves and hurting those we love.

To answer the last question, whether love and peace is easy...

Well, computer guys like to use the phrase "it depends" a lot. I think it is appropriate here as well. With my wife, loving her is easy. It is easy for each of us to find joy in each other. I greatly enjoy giving her joy, just as she greatly enjoys giving me joy. I find no joy in war, so it is very difficult to find peace with it. I find joy in blogging, even though it has not given me any pleasure, so it is easy to find peace in blogging, but hard to find the motivation to do it, unless my motivation is for peace and joy. I am uncomfortable when cleaning, but I derive a great deal of joy from it, so it is hard to be motivated to clean unless I am motivated to have joy.

Similarly, I get pleasure from smoking, but I get no joy from it. I don't think that it is very surprising that I am motivated to smoke, despite it bringing fear, anger, and disease into my life.

So really, it depends on how much joy you are bringing in, as to how easy it is to be peaceful and loving. Pleasure is good motivation, but many people use it as a substitute for joy, rather than a companion, which makes them unhappier in the long run, and pushes them further from peace. If you aren't finding enough real joy, then work on yourself and your environment until peace comes naturally.

[Adam]

I'd like to add real quick that I don't think that you can only work on yourself or only work on your environment to find peace... There is only so much about the world that a person can change, and a person can only change so much, that they have to meet in the middle.