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| Radical, what could you possibly think you would accomplish by blatently claiming Chrstianity is rubbish and crazy. I mean you could say that about all religion, there will be evidence somewhere I am sure. You have to understand the Christianity most see today is a warped version of its orgininal form. It was warped and changed to suit the Changer. I am not Christian you understand, but I like to expell ignorance on this matter because I can.
__________________ Wonder at the stars, love of the wilderness, enjoyment of the arts, are a human birthright. - Simon Blackburn (Prof. of Philosophy at Cambridge Uni) |
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| Personally, I don't think the problem with Christianity is to be found in the Bible - it is to be found in the many faulty interpretations of the text. Just my 2c. |
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I believe religion is a misfiring byproduct of evolution, whilst the religious ideas themselves are evolutionary in nature - they serve no purpose other than their own propagation and survival. With the help of people like Richard Dawkins, religion will become obsolete. |
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| What criterion I wonder do you use to decide what parts of the Bible to take literally? - other than your own discretion? All interpretations are faulty because the text is nothing more than a faulty mish-mash of contradictory nonsense. It makes an interesting work of fiction, but should in no way be taught to children as a moral standard. Last edited by Radical : 01-08-2007 at 07:42 PM. |
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| Akashic Librarian has intelligent things to say about the subject. I do not disagree with one thing. Not all men are stupid. Intelligence is the ability to learn. Stupidity is hendering your own ability to learn. Subjective realism is stupid in this way. Through questions of everything, there are no answers. They ask me a question and I give them an answer. Because of my intelligence I will be painted into no corner. When I give an answer that they do not agree with, the subjective realist only changes the subject and asks a different question. By the time we have realized we have gotten nowhere, we are talking about something entirely different than we started. Subjective realists question the followers of religions so much that they blame the man that began it. The funny thing is that the teacher does not come around to object to the followers' ways. The men of other religions have died off, so they do not object, but my God loves us enough to give us our choices. |
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| If anyone would like to ask me a question to test the faultyness of subjective realism, please direct it specifically to me. Please only ask a few questions at a time. It is difficult to answer them all in one sitting. I am only a man. |
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| I take every bit of the bible literally. It may seem that one does not have a choice with God, but the over all theme of the Good Book is your choice. Your choice no matter what story is to choose God or choose death. Plain and simple. If a man is afraid to understand the bible without doubt, then he will never understand. But if a man realeases his doubt, then he will understand the bible. A belief is something you find true no matter what evidence is brought against it. All evidence against the bible has no rock beneath it. |
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| Please stop hijacking my thread with your ramblings about subjective realism. You keep spurting out religious fanaticism, whereas I want an intelligent debate. You haven't contributed one bit of rational argument to this discussion. |
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| Why do men fear faith so much that they choose death? Men fear everything then, because they fear death as well. I am not afraid of death. It is only how I die that I fear. I must have faith that He will not let me suffer. If you do not know where you go when you die, then you fear death. I know where I am going, so I do not fear it. |
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| I am sorry I have offended you from Jesus, Radical. I ask you to please not lash out at me. I have meant no fault. I am only interested in the truth. If you find no truth in my words and wish me to leave, then I have no right to continue this. |
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| Every bit? So you advocate all of god's law? Murder apostates? Stone those who blaspheme? Kill your children if (when) they backtalk? If someone comes to your door and wants to boof your guest, it's better to send out your virgin daughters for boofing? "Every bit", you said! There are quite a few naughty bits. |
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| Do not get the law of the Old Testament and the New Testament confused. Before the Word was born, God's chosen had the law. They did not have the Word in their hearts and minds, but only in the good book. With the Word in your heart and mind, you cannot get confused. The Father was strict with his people, because without the book they would stray. The Father said to choose Him or death. When the Word was born and then accepted into men's hearts and minds they were given the truth in them. If Jesus is in them, they do not need the book to hear the truth. Jesus said not to fear. I do not fear, because I cannot be confused. I cannot be confused, because He is in me. To have Jesus in you is to know Him. A man can be saved by Him and not know Him. If you do not know Him, then you do not know the truth. The people before Jesus' life on earth did not know Him, so they did not know the truth. Moses heard the Word speak to him, so he wrote it down, but he did not know Him, because the Word was not within him. |
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| Radical is right. Joshiepoo3000 you are hijacking this thread and I think you are verging on Preaching Joshiepoo3000 can you please clarify for me what you mean by Subjective Realism? And Radical you can't expect an intelligent conversation when you start off the topic by claiming Christians are crazy...get some sense man! Oh and on the subject of my Signiture if you want to question it then you can start a new topic. I won't take up someone elses topic for it.
__________________ Wonder at the stars, love of the wilderness, enjoyment of the arts, are a human birthright. - Simon Blackburn (Prof. of Philosophy at Cambridge Uni) |
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| Radical, let me ask you a quick question. Do you feel that there are no good reasons to believe in religion? But, before you answer that question, please state your definition of religion. Do faiths such as Buddhism and Taoism count to you as religion? |
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According to your brethren, the bible is the infallible word of god. But these laws are in the bible! With no qualifications anywhere about how "oops, pay no attention to the moses behind the curtain." p.s. sending your daughters out to get repeatedly boned in the butt in order to save your guest, whom you claim is an angel, has nothing to do with Moses. similar events happen more than once in the bible. |
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| Lets get something clear. I am only referring to religions with a belief in a supernatural deity/personal god. |
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| I mean that kindly, Joshiepoo, but you did say, "I take every bit of the bible literally." Quote:
But don't get me wrong, I understand your last post perfectly. And, though you may not believe it, I'm a fellow believer, even though I don't believe the actual historical existence of Jesus can be proved. Radical, I think you should expect religious apologists to come on a thread like this, and do what apologists do, no? You want them to sit on their hands? Hmmm?
__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-08-2007 at 08:24 PM. |
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| I'm not calling anyone crazy. My post simply pointed out the sheer absurdity of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. A fundamental premise in Christianity. |
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| I see that some have made their choice no to believe. I write this only so that others that have not made their choice see the fault in your excessive skepticism. I value Meagans words. I am saying there is a difference between reading the bible and having the bible in you. I have the bible in me. Moses did not have the bible in him. He had to read it. Jesus is the Word and the Word is the bible. To have Jesus in you is not to have Him memorized, but to know Him. I know Him. I don't memorize Him, because He continues to speak to me. Moses had to memorize the Word that was spoken at the burning bush. Moses was not wrong, because wrong is evil. Evil is decreasing the value of a human being. In no way did Moses do this by writing down the Word's words. All I am saying is that Jesus was born to save us and let everyone know the truth. Lot never literally said for the men to have sex with them. This is beside the point. You are talking about Genesis, which happened before Moses talked to the burning bush, and also before Deuteronomy. I do not understand the connection between Lot and Moses that you are talking about. Can you clarify? Forgive me for not understanding. |
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My point is: if you say you take every bit of the bible literally, and consider yourself to live by its word, then you are in favor of killing children, sacrificing your daughters' lives (and orifices!) for strangers', and stoning to death anyone who rejects belief in christian god. If you try to have it both ways, "it's literal AND it's subject to interpretation," your argument is too slippery to take into serious consideration and, I believe, is subject to being ridiculed. If you take the point of view that it's all literal, then you're either a hypocrite or a psychopath, and if you tell me it's all subject to interpretation, then you beg the question: WHOSE? My point is |

