How & Why Oneness Produces Separation & Separation Produces Sameness

[nicholaspowiull]

The connection side of oneness in the universe is very important to understand because it gives us the ability to look beyond self-destructive systems of ego related duality & differences that turn us against each other. Here is a list of a few things that the belief in separation creates:

* Race against race that creates prejudices to color of skin, shape of physical looks, behavior acts of culture differences, style fashion etc...
* Gender against gender, which creates sexism by the focus of unfairness around the world because of the systems in place by the belief in separation. Women are disadvantaged of many rights, when it comes to leadership roles, job opportunities, religious power etc… Not to mention same gender sexual preference.
* Religion against science, science against religion, and religion against religion which creates confusion, chaos, war, and limited ways of thinking outside the box.

The Belief of Separation Gives the Experience of Everything Being the Same (Without Having Connection)
People who are racially prejudice or discriminate, will look at one race and claim that the whole race looks and/or acts the same. There see no differences between the group they separate themselves from. In other words, all they see is the color and/or the behavior, but can not see past that reference-point. The connection is cut from that race.

A depressed individual will see the same pattern everywhere they go. Everything is shaded, negative, and everything they experience looks/ feels the same. They feel no connection to anything.

By believing in Oneness, you become more 'aware/conscious of' and 'connected to' your surrounds on every level. The reason being is because the struggle of ego related duality systems disappear. It gives your mind a release and freedom to focus on other things besides the illusion of the dramas you had before.

The More Aware You Are, the More Differences (Separation) You See
People who are aware/conscious of their surroundings (living in the moment) will notice separation in everything. In fact the more attention they pay to the present moment, they more separation they see in all things.

They see a tree and notice each leaf, inside each leaf, they notice the vines that make-up the shape of that leaf, they see how the sun hits the leafs vines to create tremendous amounts of separate green colors, and each unique green color has a beauty to be passionate about. They see every detail, everything they pay attention to has essence because it is all unique and separate.

Interesting how believing in one thing, gives the experience of the opposite thing (hence, believing in separation = illusion of everything being the same and believing in oneness/connection = the experience of everything being separate).

It is clear to understand and conceive how the opposite reaction exists from the examples above, but consequentially, the question of "why" enters the mind. Why does the universe operate in this manner?

What is your perspective?...Extracted from Conscious Flex...

[lifetimelearner]

not sure about this
the wording kept me from 'feeling' the article


just my opinion but :

I feel that increased awareness allows us to see the connections between all of us and nature too




thanks for the article though

[nicholaspowiull]

Originally Posted by lifetimelearner

just my opinion but :
I feel that increased awareness allows us to see the connections between all of us and nature too

Indeed, like-minded people feel a connection to other like-minded people because they sense a connection. People who are highly aware feel a sense of connection with nature. I am not disputing that fact.

What I am suggesting, is that the more aware you are, the more connected you feel to all things; but the more you notice the separate pieces of that connection, therefore you see more to be connected to.

It's like an infinite circle, that allows you to grow that infinite circle, even infinitely bigger. You reach a point where you feel your connection to everything cannot get anymore stronger, but then you start to notice things within that connection, that allow you to connect even more to it. Like you can look into the infinity of that connection and expand more within it by seeing more parts.

I cannot explain it as while as experience can. Yet, experience can catch-on to the words that I am expressing. I do not expect everyone to feel this, only experience can bring that about.

[Foresta Gump]

Hello Nicholas..

What you say makes absolute sense to me, I agree.

We are all links connected to the humanity chain, therefore we are oneness with all. And somehow we can understand one another, because of our connection.

We slur racism, and hatred because we haven't reached the height of our development yet, where oneness will be peace, tranquility, and love.

Foresta Gump

[lifetimelearner]

I understand what you are saying

but the article is just to complicated


why no simply say that when you are not aware of the connection between all things this creates a dissociation between you and them which can create conflict

but if you are aware of the connection you can see everything as one yet all still have unique qualities that can contribue to the whole


?

[nicholaspowiull]

Originally Posted by Foresta Gump

We slur racism, and hatred because we haven't reached the height of our development yet, where oneness will be peace, tranquility, and love.

Yes, I can sense that as well. I also feel we are rapidly moving towards the collective consciousness of oneness.

My question relates more around peoples perspective as to why connections grow more by using separation as a result. Separation is known to be an illusion, yet connection (the opposite of illusion) seems to use the illusion to produce the experience of more connectedness. Why would life use something illusionary to create more of something real? Is not the whole process to rid of the illusions and become more aware of truth (what is real)?

My personal outlook is that everything has a beauty to it, even separation/fear/illusion. It can all be beautiful if seen for what it really is. It is there to help what is real, become more real.

[Foresta Gump]

Hi Nicholas


When I isolate myself from someone, or ignor him/her, I am saying to them I need my own space, but what I really am saying is I've had enough of you for the moment. They feel rejected and will make more of a nuisance of themself than before. It is like they attract or attach themselves to what they feel is rejection. It is like an insecurity within them which causes them to chase after that rejection, clinging, attaching, inflicting their insufferable self upon me further, when all I want is my own time and space. That is what you call emotional attachment!

Everyone needs his own space--to unattach from attachment even if it is for a temporary moment.

Getting off the subject...It would be great if this forum was set-up so that a writer could view the post she/he is responding to. I may have gotten off track.

Foresta Gump

[Wombels]

[QUOTE=nicholaspowiull;296661]Yes, I can sense that as well. I also feel we are rapidly moving towards the collective consciousness of oneness.

If you could one way or another reach enlightenment, would you allow yourself to venture upon this path in order to make this a reality?

Would you allow someone to create you a manual in order to serve as a way point in order to trigger what’s needed to reach this enlightenment?

Greets Wombels,

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by nicholaspowiull

The connection side of oneness in the universe is very important to understand because it gives us the ability to look beyond self-destructive systems of ego related duality & differences that turn us against each other. Here is a list of a few things that the belief in separation creates:

* Race against race that creates prejudices to color of skin, shape of physical looks, behavior acts of culture differences, style fashion etc...
* Gender against gender, which creates sexism by the focus of unfairness around the world because of the systems in place by the belief in separation. Women are disadvantaged of many rights, when it comes to leadership roles, job opportunities, religious power etc… Not to mention same gender sexual preference.
* Religion against science, science against religion, and religion against religion which creates confusion, chaos, war, and limited ways of thinking outside the box.

us versus them

The Belief of Separation Gives the Experience of Everything Being the Same (Without Having Connection)
People who are racially prejudice or discriminate, will look at one race and claim that the whole race looks and/or acts the same. There see no differences between the group they separate themselves from. In other words, all they see is the color and/or the behavior, but can not see past that reference-point. The connection is cut from that race.

false logical leap - just because someone discriminates does not mean they don't see "them" as different among themselves. It could be like "they are not like me at all" and the reasons behind judging them to not be like "me" may vary a lot.

A depressed individual will see the same pattern everywhere they go. Everything is shaded, negative, and everything they experience looks/ feels the same. They feel no connection to anything.

everyone runs on conditioned minds and sees patterns of similar things - why do you say that belongs to depressed people?

By believing in Oneness, you become more 'aware/conscious of' and 'connected to' your surrounds on every level. The reason being is because the struggle of ego related duality systems disappear. It gives your mind a release and freedom to focus on other things besides the illusion of the dramas you had before.

when one is oneness there is not a "connected to" because that implies something "other" to which there is a connection. Oneness, per se, has no relationship to something else by it's very idea.

The More Aware You Are, the More Differences (Separation) You See
People who are aware/conscious of their surroundings (living in the moment) will notice separation in everything. In fact the more attention they pay to the present moment, they more separation they see in all things.

people that are aware/conscious of their surroundings in a way that they actually live in the moment (to level you are trying to address) do not feel there is a identity that causes separation. As soon as they see more separation they have fallen into judgment again and are viewing "other things" and identifying a self that is "me" and not the "other things" that are separated out.

They see a tree and notice each leaf, inside each leaf, they notice the vines that make-up the shape of that leaf, they see how the sun hits the leafs vines to create tremendous amounts of separate green colors, and each unique green color has a beauty to be passionate about. They see every detail, everything they pay attention to has essence because it is all unique and separate.

all that defining is ego and self labeling and dissecting what is really a whole. Having gestalt in Gaia doesn't require labeling and figuring out what is connected to what because it will all look perfect and seamless and as one - not a bunch of parts that fit together. Sure, one can apply their individuality to the experience but that is not being oneness - that is ego again thinking it out.

Interesting how believing in one thing, gives the experience of the opposite thing (hence, believing in separation = illusion of everything being the same and believing in oneness/connection = the experience of everything being separate).

believing ins separation gives rise to "us" versus "them" and does not create sameness at all. It segregates that which is not "us" and that is not viewing all as one - that is viewing "us" and "them".

Having oneness experience again, like I wrote earlier, does not include judgment of parts and components and labeling leafs and vines as connected. As soon as one starts to labels things, that is a function of the individual mind making a boundary on a self. To really feel oneness all the components and labels go away and become the self (oops, although oneness really has no "self").

It is clear to understand and conceive how the opposite reaction exists from the examples above, but consequentially, the question of "why" enters the mind. Why does the universe operate in this manner?

the why question makes no sense based on false logic of "opposite reactions" you are trying to make.

What is your perspective?...Extracted from Conscious Flex...[/QUOTE]I don't think it's clear at all that the opposite reaction exists.

Oneness is not the opposite of duality.

[nicholaspowiull]

[QUOTE=Wombels;297079]

Originally Posted by nicholaspowiull

Yes, I can sense that as well. I also feel we are rapidly moving towards the collective consciousness of oneness.

If you could one way or another reach enlightenment, would you allow yourself to venture upon this path in order to make this a reality?

Would you allow someone to create you a manual in order to serve as a way point in order to trigger what’s needed to reach this enlightenment?

Greets Wombels,

I do have a manual, it's called my emotions. What do you think your emotions are? Why do you think you have them naturally built in? They are a guiding system to tell you how aligned you are with what you desire to happen.

If you are feeling negative about something, that negative emotion is telling that you are not aligned with your desires. The moment you start feeling good about what is happening, then you are on the right the track. That is the purpose of emotions, that is your guidance system and perfect way to know where your heading and how to get there.

[nicholaspowiull]

@wolfgang,

That must have been fun for you...

How does that make you feel?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by nicholaspowiull

I do have a manual, it's called my emotions. What do you think your emotions are? Why do you think you have them naturally built in? They are a guiding system to tell you how aligned you are with what you desire to happen.

it could be that we desired to feel emotions of different kinds - that our path actually gives us our experience that produces a range of emotions. And during times we feel "negative" we are still on our path. It may not be a signal to become more aligned. We may be aligned already but have been told that we aren't. Like original sin saying we aren't there, so you have to be forgiven. The new age idea carries that as we must become "more aligned with" - but the idea to be "aligned with something else" has in it the concept of being separate (that is not oneness). There is no way to "align with" oneness because in oneness there isn't another thing to be with - all is one not pieces to be or not to be "with". imho.

If you are feeling negative about something, that negative emotion is telling that you are not aligned with your desires. The moment you start feeling good about what is happening, then you are on the right the track. That is the purpose of emotions, that is your guidance system and perfect way to know where your heading and how to get there.

that negative emotion may be telling you what you decided to experience. we choose everything in our experience. desires that produce negative emotions are usually ego based and part of not being in oneness. such is many people's paths. it may not mean that we are supposed to try to make a desire come about to not have negative feelings. it may mean we can choose to give up the ego desires and find oneness and surrender and acceptance... blah, blah, blah

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by nicholaspowiull

@wolfgang,

That must have been fun for you...

How does that make you feel?

do you expect that it made me feel a certain way to write what my view is?

[Judge]

There is seperation, but it's from a singular consciousness. Consciousness doesn't create other conscious beings, it creates other projections to sense seperation.

There is only one consciousness playing a game of sorts for the sake of experience. Deep down it knows it's alone (singular) from a singular POV, hence the illusion of other people and a world they all can exist in.

Just how I see it

Judge