When were our spirits created?

[dwixi]

Was there a time in the universe that there were no spirits. Or is the universe just all part of the physical world that sprits arent a part of.
How were our spirits made?
Why were they made?

[Riddle]

What is a spirit?

[dwixi]

Originally Posted by Riddle

What is a spirit?

the soul of the individual.

[geekchic9]

Originally Posted by dwixi

the soul of the individual.

What is a soul?

[newmark]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Was there a time in the universe that there were no spirits. Or is the universe just all part of the physical world that sprits arent a part of.
How were our spirits made?
Why were they made?

How can anyone here possibly know this?

[dwixi]

Originally Posted by newmark

How can anyone here possibly know this?

well. I imagine that someone who can communicate with spirits could have a better insight in this.

[newmark]

I like to think so too.

[dwixi]

Originally Posted by geekchic9

What is a soul?

Everything but your environment

[geekchic9]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Everything but your environment

Is my body somehow included in my soul?

Sorry for the seemingly silly questions, but I think it's essential to know exactly what a soul is before someone can say where it came from.

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Everything but your environment

What does this mean?

WordNet defines environment as "the totality of surrounding conditions."

But surrounding conditions are contextual depending on what you are referring to.

So, what are you referring to?

[Trezker]

Well, the original consciousness must have come into existence before it could invent the concept of time. So the question when is impossible to answer for that entity. But specific souls could have been created at any time. Though time probably doesn't hold any significance in that realm. I'm pretty sure it's not linear, they could also be created on a completely different time line and had their first life in a different reality.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Was there a time in the universe that there were no spirits. Or is the universe just all part of the physical world that sprits arent a part of.

The physical world is composed of spirit. Spirit is awareness. What we call "physical" is awareness of form.

Originally Posted by dwixi

How were our spirits made?

There is only one soul and we all share it. Our individual identities were organized through the action of consciousness, impressing awareness of identity upon seemingly localized points of existence. We are the many eyes of the creator. There are levels upon levels of dream and illusion. Ultimately, all limitations are arbitrary constructions in order to experience new states of perception.

Originally Posted by dwixi

Why were they made?

Our experiences maintain and enrich the perfection of the creator. Growth is part of its infinite awareness, and we are expressions of that. We weren't exactly "made" either. All awareness has always existed. What had a beginning was form. Form comes and goes, but awareness is infinite.

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

The physical world is composed of spirit. Spirit is awareness. What we call "physical" is awareness of form.

The physical world is composed of matter.

Spirit is awareness? Awareness of what? Awareness is always about or of something.

Awareness of form is perception, physical describes things that are perceptible.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

There is only one soul and we all share it.

What is a soul?

Originally Posted by dwixi

well. I imagine that someone who can communicate with spirits could have a better insight in this.

This implies that spirits or souls (apparently synonymous) are distinct entities capable of communication, what are these entities?

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Our individual identities were organized through the action of consciousness, impressing awareness of identity upon seemingly localized points of existence. We are the many eyes of the creator.

We exist in the mind of God as sentient thoughts? What are you saying here?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Riddle

The physical world is composed of matter.

Spirit is awareness? Awareness of what? Awareness is always about or of something.

I agree. And that "something" can be absolutely anything. Including matter. From my perspective, anyways.

Originally Posted by Riddle

Awareness of form is perception, physical describes things that are perceptible.

I don't see a distinction between what we call "perception" and what we call "reality". In my view, they are one and the same.

Originally Posted by Riddle

What is a soul?

Awareness. An "individuated soul" is an awareness of ego, or self, that appears distinct from other types of consciousness. This provides the perception or even illusion, some might say, of autonomy, or separated existence.

Originally Posted by Riddle

We exist in the mind of God as sentient thoughts? What are you saying here?

In a manner of speaking, though I wouldn't call them thoughts exactly. Source's awareness of infinity contains the reality you and I perceive as our "existence". It has always existed. In that frame, potential and actual realities are the same. At the level of human perception, potential and actual do have a distinction, so some things appear to exist in our awareness and some things don't appear in our awareness.

God, or what me might call the continuum of consciousness, contains all possible realities. We are one of those realities. We who perceive portions, rather than wholes, are the ones who create boundaries between what some might call the "real" (actual) and the "unreal" (potential).

[SimonaRich]

The spirit is the same as consciousness. Consciousness has no time, it always exists.

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I don't see a distinction between what we call "perception" and what we call "reality". In my view, they are one and the same.

Reality is how the world actually is. Perception is how we gain knowledge of reality.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Awareness.

So soul is synonymous with awareness? Ergo, 'I soul that I have a body' is equivalent to 'I am aware that I have a body'?

Originally Posted by Anagogy

An "individuated soul" is an awareness of ego, or self, that appears distinct from other types of consciousness. This provides the perception or even illusion, some might say, of autonomy, or separated existence.

So "individuated soul" is synonymous to self-awareness? Ergo, when I sleep I don't have "individuated soul", but when I awake I do have "individuated soul"?

Originally Posted by Anagogy

In a manner of speaking, though I wouldn't call them thoughts exactly. Source's awareness of infinity contains the reality you and I perceive as our "existence". It has always existed. In that frame, potential and actual realities are the same. At the level of human perception, potential and actual do have a distinction, so some things appear to exist in our awareness and some things don't appear in our awareness.

God, or what me might call the continuum of consciousness, contains all possible realities. We are one of those realities. We who perceive portions, rather than wholes, are the ones who create boundaries between what some might call the "real" (actual) and the "unreal" (potential).

What are your reasons for this conclusion? Without reasoning this is just metaphysical speculation, and thus we should "commit it then to the flames".

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by SimonaRich

The spirit is the same as consciousness. Consciousness has no time, it always exists.

What is consciousness?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Riddle

Reality is how the world actually is. Perception is how we gain knowledge of reality.

How do you know reality is separate from perception? You can't jump outside your own experience to experience "true objectivity". Everything you have ever observed has been through the lens of your perception. Maybe the picture you are seeing is inside the lens, rather than outside it.

Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Riddle

So soul is synonymous with awareness? Ergo, 'I soul that I have a body' is equivalent to 'I am aware that I have a body'?

I don't understand what you're getting at right here.

Even if the concept of a soul is synonymous with awareness, it doesn't mean the dictionary usage of the word has changed.

I was simply trying to explain a possible union between two seemingly separate concepts, those concepts being what in common parlance is called a "soul" and what is called "awareness". It seems most people believe one is an aspect of the other. I believe that they are one and the same. If you want to believe something different, be my guest.

Originally Posted by Riddle

So "individuated soul" is synonymous to being aware of oneself? Ergo, when I sleep I am not "individuated soul", but when I awake I am "individuated soul"?

That's a distinct possibility.

Originally Posted by Riddle

What are your reasons for this conclusion? Without reasoning this is just metaphysical speculation, and thus we should "commit it then to the flames".

My reasons for that conclusion are from years of studying various books and spiritual material, and my own personal meditative introspection, or intuition in other words. There is a logic to my reasoning, but its doubtful my logic is the same as your logic, as logic is a system of thought dependent on definitions and conclusions, which are oftentimes very different from person to person, especially when it comes to ontological, metaphysical, and epistemological issues.

So from your perspective, all metaphysical speculation is pointless? That's interesting.

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

How do you know reality is separate from perception?

Reality is separate from perception by definition. What we perceive may not be an accurate representation of reality, but reality is still there regardless.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Even if the concept of a soul is synonymous with awareness, it doesn't mean the dictionary usage of the word has changed.

You defined soul as awareness, ergo the two words can be used interchangeably, i.e. one is a synonym of the other. If the word soul differs from awareness depending on the context, then I think you need to define it more clearly. Therefore my question remains, what is a soul?

I'm beginning to think soul is just an empty word with many arbitrary definitions.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

So from your perspective, all metaphysical speculation is pointless?

Yes if your goal is to obtain knowledge, no if your goal is to waste time. But metaphysics is still possible through the use of synthetic a priori knowledge.

[Ontowhere]

The physical world is composed of matter.

Could be, that the phisical world is composed of information, only

It could all be one of the same physical and spiritual. With the diference only in vibration freequency.

[Riddle]

Originally Posted by Ontowhere

Could be, that the phisical world is composed of information, only

Information is a word used to denote meaning to data, therefore how could the physical world be composed of meaningful data, when meaningful data requires someone to collect it and give it meaning in the first place?

[Ontowhere]

I am not saying that it is, please understand this is a topic, that I am trying to understand. It's just a tesis , for me.

Let's say it's data, than.