Why are spirits not just made perfect to start

[dwixi]

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?
Thanks.

[SonoranBob]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?
Thanks.

Who knows ... but it most certainly isn't that way, so the question is rather pointless. It is what it is.

Some say that god experiences existence through our growth. I call this concept "cosmic sock puppets". It would explain alot. However, it's just a stab in the dark, really. Only god knows, and he's not talking.

--Bob

[TonyToneTone]

Who says they're not? Just look at little kids. They're practically perfect as babies. Then they get exposed to all the negative vibrations and concepts in their environment.

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?

Enjoy the show. What if there IS something better after this and this life is getting you ready for it?

[fellowtraveler]

The simplest way I have to put it (as I believe, but far from accurate since words won't do the trick) is that "God" was bored, so he came up with the most complicated video game ever - and to keep it interesting he gave all the characters free will.

[dwixi]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

The simplest way I have to put it (as I believe, but far from accurate since words won't do the trick) is that "God" was bored, so he came up with the most complicated video game ever - and to keep it interesting he gave all the characters free will.

god as in yourself?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by dwixi

god as in yourself?

As in all of us.

[Liara Covert]

Some people believe that the innocence of childhood is a level of perfection that human beings choose to forget as they buy into external conditioning. It may be the process or learning curve that interests the spirit more than that particular indescribable state we evolve back to re-live. The truth is felt.

[jnms]

Way I see it, is that the 'spirit' is non-physical and therefore has no understanding of the physical world. So when the spirit inhabits a human body it suddenly has an entirely new world (literally!) to learn about.

Try and imagine what reality must feel like when you have no access to the physical realm. Then suddenly being plunged into a world of senses must be a very big thing indeed!!

[Judge]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

The simplest way I have to put it (as I believe, but far from accurate since words won't do the trick) is that "God" was bored, so he came up with the most complicated video game ever - and to keep it interesting he gave all the characters free will.

I like that. Most people consider a god to be some kind of truly spiritual all encompassing being and while that may be true, who says, 'God' can't get bored??

If you were self aware, as in you know you exist and you're the only awareness AND you can manifest formless energy into tangible stuff, then I would imagine that god (insert favorite term here) could well be bored being simply aware and has chosen all of this as something to do.

In fact, when you look at it like that, it takes a lot of the fear and worry out of life. What can really hurt you if you're god choosing an experience as a way to off set being the formless awareness you are.

Works for me

Judge

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?
Thanks.

First of all, I would like to say, great question.

Second of all, time does not exist in an absolute sense.

Thirdly, everything *IS* happening at once, and God's knowingness of that is what we perceive as our existence or "selves". But because we are only a portion of that eternal knowingness, we perceive things in a somewhat distorted fashion. Linearly, for example.

When you achieve your "prime" as you call it, you will realize there was no time involved. Time is simply a product of change anyway. No change = no time. Because we perceive portions instead of wholes, we think that change is going on.

It's actually not. You see, Source expands through the process of growth, because growth is a part of Source's knowingness. The reason Source expands is not because it isn't complete. It is very much complete. The reason Source expands is because growth is a part of its completeness. Growth does not contain or encapsulate Source, growth is contained *BY* Source. Or rather, growth is a part of Source, and not the other way around.

Does that make sense?

[amixa]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

The simplest way I have to put it (as I believe, but far from accurate since words won't do the trick) is that "God" was bored, so he came up with the most complicated video game ever - and to keep it interesting he gave all the characters free will.

hahaha i love this! i often think of life as some video game too

[Michael Chui]

Nothing is perfect unless it's improving.

[Andrew Brunelle]

What would be the point of existing?

[mindfulconstruct]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Source expands through the process of growth, because growth is a part of Source's knowingness. The reason Source expands is not because it isn't complete. It is very much complete. The reason Source expands is because growth is a part of its completeness. Growth does not contain or encapsulate Source, growth is contained *BY* Source. Or rather, growth is a part of Source, and not the other way around.

Does that make sense?

Actually, I've never heard it put that way before, but it is very effective!

The way I see it, Source needs to experience the physical to experience greater degrees of polarity (of which at a physical level our universe is based on) ... because it is through that polarity that integration and self-growth and self-awareness bloom. As in, how could we know joy without knowing pain?

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

What would be the point of existing?

Does the point of existing exist, before existence itself?

[dwixi]

I would like to know what dead peoples opinions are on this.. Any mediums in the house?
lol

[yoopersmith]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?
Thanks.

You assume we are not perfect? Perhaps we are perfect and just don't realize it?

Since that is a non-answer..but just something to think about...I will keep going.

Perhaps, what we really are is just consciousness and being human and making up challenges is for "learning" but to what end?

Again...I'm not sure.

Perhaps, it's just for fun? Other folks have said this, and I agree, my best guess is that consciousness chooses to limit itself in FORM (i.e. our human bodies)...just for the enjoyment of playing with form.

That was a bunch of non-answers....maybe the best answer is...I don't know ...but a great question!

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Why go through being human? Why start at a point where you have lessons to learn. Why cant time just not exist so everything just happens at once and e get straight to our prime?
Thanks.

before I read all the responses

I must say you must have been in my head

I wrote about this in my journal !!

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by jnms

Way I see it, is that the 'spirit' is non-physical and therefore has no understanding of the physical world. So when the spirit inhabits a human body it suddenly has an entirely new world (literally!) to learn about.

Try and imagine what reality must feel like when you have no access to the physical realm. Then suddenly being plunged into a world of senses must be a very big thing indeed!!

like Nicolas cage in the City of Angels movie ?

[magi13]

Our world is a mechanism, which has a certain order in it. I don't know why the way things are, are like this, but it just is. We live, we die and where does spirits come to? It's an idea our ancestors made up so that we may not fear death when she comes for us.

All we can ever give as an answer to you are hypothesis without valid proof, but if you are willing to try. Try to remember this question and our answers when you finally meet her and move on (Death).

^^, This topic will never end. hehehehe. Good luck.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by magi13

It's an idea our ancestors made up so that we may not fear death when she comes for us.

Seriously, Death is cute. I'm not really into the hair thing, but other than that, I like her. Her hair is okay in this one, though:



I mean, really. What's to fear?

[Liveformx64]

Unconscious existence is just another facet of "all that is"

Conscious existence ie (our higher selves) is another form or representation of "all that is"

We are all currently running the program of unconscious learning. Which obviously, as you can assume produces a whole different growth pattern than say, an upbringing knowing that we are not alone. Even in these times of a strong pull towards the infinite, there is still a veil to protect the free will of others who chose not to believe.

[magi13]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Seriously, Death is cute. I'm not really into the hair thing, but other than that, I like her. Her hair is okay in this one, though:



I mean, really. What's to fear?

It's a metaphor. I just chose to see Death as a lady. What you posted is a Neil Gaiman Fictional Character. ^^ We have to be smart my friend. I'm sure you can connect the dots.

Originally Posted by Liveformx64

Unconscious existence is just another facet of "all that is"

Conscious existence ie (our higher selves) is another form or representation of "all that is"

We are all currently running the program of unconscious learning. Which obviously, as you can assume produces a whole different growth pattern than say, an upbringing knowing that we are not alone. Even in these times of a strong pull towards the infinite, there is still a veil to protect the free will of others who chose not to believe.

^^, Of course there will be people who'll choose not to believe. There is a balance working mysterious in these things. You or I can not force our view to other people if they wish to believe a rat is a dog. The analogy applies also to the infinite. It makes life interesting.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Liveformx64

Even in these times of a strong pull towards the infinite, there is still a veil to protect the free will of others who chose not to believe.

Nicely put - I get the general idea, with reservations of course. A lot of them would not change their minds, even if the veil were completely gone - they would just figure they'd gone nuts. Being right is too important to a lot of people.

Anyhow, I thjink the veil is still there so we can function, let alone those who can't see thru it a'tall. I'm quite happy just being able to poke holes in the gauze occasionally.

[Wombels]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

What would be the point of existing?

Hai,

The point is to learn and understand our purpose and reason we have chosen to have a ride inside the physical.

The issue of the point is more a situation in which most amongst don’t recall why they have chosen to venture inside the physical.

Therefore to question and seek answers is always a fine way to proceed with life…

;-)

[NexusOfCompletion]

It's your illusion that you are imperfect, that you are human, that you have something to learn, that you are not in your prime already. Transcend the illusion.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by NexusOfCompletion

It's your illusion that you are imperfect, that you are human, that you have something to learn, that you are not in your prime already. Transcend the illusion.

You first.

[Michael Chui]