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Old 01-01-2007, 06:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Having Sex With Dream Characters (or Astral beings) Considered Cheating?

This was an interesting topic at DreamView that I wanted to get your opinions on.

Would you consider having sex with a dream character in a LUCID Dream or during Astral Projection/OBE cheating?


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It depends on the couple's perspectives of what "cheating" is.

I think the question of cheating relies entirely on the relationship between the two people. Regardless of whether you believe that phenomenological experiences like Dreams/lucid dreams or "Astral Projection"/OBE/Remote viewing or whatever you want to call it is real or a bit of undigested beef, it really depends on the PERCEPTION of the couple; the agreed upon boundaries.

If the couple is cool with masturbating while fantasizing with other people then they are likely also open to Astral Sex and Lucid Dream sex. But again it totally depends on their perception.

(what does Erin think about this?)
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Old 01-01-2007, 08:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sex with a dream character in a lucid dream is not cheating in my opinion. Unless you're in a committed relationship and only having sexual relations in your dream, that is! I say if you have the opportunity to live out a sexual fantasy inside a dream that you can't live outside of the dream, more power to you! There are a lot of things you can do in a dream that would be physically impossible in real life.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What about astral sex, though? Wouldn't that be more real?
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Oh! Yes I should have made a distinction. You're talking about meeting up with another real person on the astral plane and merging energy (astral sex) right? That would be cheating, in my opinion. If everyone involved agreed to do it, then not cheating.
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It's only cheating if your spouse is a better lucid dreamer than you are.
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Old 01-01-2007, 10:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nah, you're just jealous.
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Old 01-02-2007, 10:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't think there's a problem... Unless your significant other finds you on the astral plane with another astral projection... But what are the odds of that happening?
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I don't think there's a problem... Unless your significant other finds you on the astral plane with another astral projection... But what are the odds of that happening?
So it's ok as long as you don't get caught? Same in real life?

I don't know anything about the astral plane so that one does seem weird to think that it would be cheating, but I trust what Erin says about it.
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
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We all have so many sexual hangups that I think exploring sexuality in the very safe environment of a lucid dream is perfectly okay. You won't get any STDs, you won't get pregnant, and at a basic level, you're only interacting with yourself, so it's not like your partner can be jealous of what you're doing.

However, whatever you dream should enhance your waking life, not make you disinterested in it. So if you'd rather dream about sex with a movie star than have sex with your partner in waking life, then maybe there's something wrong!
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Old 01-05-2007, 10:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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So it's ok as long as you don't get caught? Same in real life?

I don't know anything about the astral plane so that one does seem weird to think that it would be cheating, but I trust what Erin says about it.
No. But I just thought it would be funny if that ever did happen. I mean most people can't even project themselves astrally and it's probably unlikely that two people could meet each other on the same plane at the same time.

Mind you I know nothing about such things
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Old 01-06-2007, 02:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It isn't considered cheating if you do it in a different state or city too .
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It isn't considered cheating if you do it in a different state or city too .
Since we are all energy, there is no such thing as cheating, there is only energizing!
People who believe that, deserve each other.
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This was an interesting topic at DreamView that I wanted to get your opinions on.

Would you consider having sex with a dream character in a LUCID Dream or during Astral Projection/OBE cheating?

(what does Erin think about this?)
I think this would say more about your own present sexual relationship. If it was good already (I am not saying that yours isn't), then you wouldn't even be considering sex with anyone else, let alone with lucid or otherwise.

If people want to have sex in lucid dreams, then I feel the question is why, not whether someone feels is it cheating or not?

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Since we are all energy, there is no such thing as cheating, there is only energizing!
Nothing wrong with sharing the love!
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wink Not cheating

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That would not be cheating. you have no way of getting out of that kind of situation so when it happens, enjoy the sex completely.......Peace.....Eli
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I was in a 4 yr relationship with a younger man a few yrs back. He introduced himself to me after I’d lectured at a psychic gathering and was intelligent, curious about everything, having psychic experiences of his own and seeking proof. We were friends for 6 mths before becoming lovers. He’d call in with fresh fish, cook meals, borrow my books and challenge everything I did and knew with regards to the spiritual. He was refreshingly honest and genuinely seeking understanding. He matched me.
We enjoyed simple outdoor things together, like walking in the bush, fishing in his 10ft alloy dinghy, fish’n’chips on the beach, swimming & walking at night under the stars. We shared thoughts, desires, ideas, dreams. Because of the age difference (he ultimately wanted to get married and have kids. I’d been there, done that) there was no future planning together and no expectations. He had just come out of a 5 yr relationship and I had ended an 8 yr one. Neither of us was in hurry to commit again. We lived in the ‘now’. It is the most honest relationship I’ve had because of that.
During the course of our relationship the energy between us grew and almost took on a life of its own. He’s the only person I’ve met who has walked in my world. We voyaged into the outer realms together and had some amazing experiences. We never lived together and he lived some distance away. When we were apart we conversed easily and were able to relay images to each other. I’d wake up in the morning a he’d be stroking my face or I’d feel his body slide into bed next to mine even though he physically wasn’t there. It became second nature. Even now, 5 yrs after the relationship has ended, I won’t hear from him for months or a yr and he’ll suddenly be chatting in my ear. Now I tell him to pick up the phone. He’ll ring me laughing. Since we have both moved on in our lives we’ve had to set boundaries. We both agreed that as good as it was, to continue, would be cheating. Trust and respect for each other plays a huge role in first being able to have the experiences and then being able to set boundaries.
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I have a close male friend who cheated on his wife with a spirit guide. It caused him a lot of pain. He left his wife because of her and the more time he spent with her, the more he wanted to be with her. When I met him, he was distraught, suicidal and plagued by guilt. Our values are the same in all realms.
I didn't know what was going with him at first until his spirit lady appeared one evening during dinner. The love and sexuality was potently tangiable. He asked her leave some time later because he has a daughter and wanted to be able to have a fully physical relationship again with someone. He wanted to be here too.
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