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Old 01-01-2007, 02:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fate And Free Will

If God encompasses everything- Why use if, well there are who agree and those who do not agree. Me? Am I with the issue or are you? Are you me? Look at yourself first and mind your own business first before you question about others.

Now If God encompasses everything, as he (Acknowledging both duality but just to simply state as he) creates, destroys and is everything that is of existence. Then God directs every macro to microscopic force that exist. Does free will apply from then on? Or has it become fate?

God directs the actions and thought and breath etc of every known and unknown due to the limit of the individual perspective due to the ideas the individual creates, which is also directed by God. But why? That topic you can find in the books by Walsh something or something like that or something like Conversation With God...

If thats the case, isn't it consider as fate? Well even when everything is directed by God, individuals still have choices, in which either choice the individual makes is still directed by God. That makes- What is the point of everything? Now ask yourself, what type of existence would you like to experience; and all these that you choose have its own repurcussions.

As it goes, positive begets positive, negative begets negative. As above, so below. Do unto others what you would like others do unto you. If I am the hand and you are the sexual genitals, if we do not cooperate, the body shall not have pleasure (My version). All these means the same.

The point is- Now you exist, what would you like to experience in your existence? Experiences do hurt when an individual choose to worship what is actually not there. "I will have no idols before me." When individual worries or their mind is not focusing on God, the individual is actually worshipping whatever the individual is focused at that moment instead of God; so instead of focusing what is always there all along, the individual is focusing and encouraging or manifesting the creation of what is not really there; so the individual will have to resolve the creation before the individual can clearly see the truth. Thus positive creation leads to positive conclusion; negative begets negative. What you sow shall you reap.

The key to this plane of existence have always been this simple, you are so filled with distorted ideas until you loose perspective of the truth. Many ways of expressing the truth, many ways back to God or knowing the truth and all these ways leads back to only one way, and when it is time the individual will remember the eternal way. Know that everything leads back to God, to denounce or deny something, equally you are denouncing or denying God. Everything is possible, it depends on the limitation you set yourself with with the type of ideas you adopt and practice, finally becoming a habit that leads to ignorance.

Karma? It will not be another subject to create. Karma is another language, stick to action leads to reaction; only the masters and above are much well equiped to speak on it. It is far too complex to explain and too simple to understand. Any lesser than a master, only an idiot would go around defining karma which is not even english.

When you deny a truth, you deny that part of infinity. Scream ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! And you shall live that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and not be able to be aware that is also a part that makes up a whole and you build your own prison stench (of limitations) for you left a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in your cell.

The Matrix. The many screens, the infinite possiblities, which do you choose? Can you see all the screen? An idea of Fate And Free Will, make this not the only reason, use these only if it helps.

P.S. I am in a process of publishing my stuff someday, or maybe not, as I can't really be bothered; so the stuff wrote here might be used similarly. I have a lot of scattered writings I wrote since I was a kid and I had to rewrite them, that is if I am bugged to publish, for public consumpstion as the stuff written can paralyse or disturb an individual if the individual is not ready to accept.
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have to reply to this since I wrote an article with the exact same title name on my blog.

Recommendations - It's too abstract. I get junk mail that sounds a bit like what you wrote. They're full of expressions that don't make contextual sense. Don't take this the wrong way though. Try making it into a flowing story. I don't see a red line anywhere. It's just a chunk of various thoughts.

What kind of an audience is this for?

What is it that you're trying to achieve with what you write? How do you solve the problem/challenge that you want people to react to? Write at least one practical example of how your insights can make a positive difference in other people's lives. The way it's now I just couldn't understand what your point is, what you want to achieve or what your conclusions were.
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Old 01-01-2007, 07:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You have just pointed out that you are full of junk and you take the lala approach to reality, so you can't understand anything that is not based on lala.

You choose your choice of approach to understanding. If it doesn't taste well, just spit it out.

What you have just did was that you eat it and have a bad stomachache and you put the blame on the person who cook it and not take the responsibility that you have the option not to eat in the first place.

I mentioned, take it if it helps. If not, I am not forcing it on you. If you want to help me on my writing, thanks but no thanks, this is my style. Might not suite you, but there will be others who will find it helpful one way or another.

There is no one way. Find an approach that you can digest comfortably. Again, don't like, move on.

If all deliverer is to conform their style to what you prefer, another religion would result similar to those who impress theirs on others as the only truth. You introduce the whole elephant by the tail first, I introduce by the trunk first; capeesh, we are introducing the whole elephant anyway just that each start from different parts initially, due to the diverse and infinite range of ideas.


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Old 01-01-2007, 08:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I appreciate your response greatly as it gives me a better perspective on what you value in others and yourself. The reason I asked those questions were because I genuinely wanted to get clarifying answers. It's a shame you decided instead to analyze me by making up assumptions.

Please do write in any manner you wish. I'm not advising against it. However, my concern about it was that with this kind of writing, you won't reach many interested readers. But if you conclude that that's simply because the readers aren't ready then I wish all the best to you in the future. If you were expecting me to treat you in return as you did, then I'm deeply sorry for disappointing you. Call my behaviour as you wish.

All the best.
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Old 01-01-2007, 08:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Are you speaking of yourself? Well, excuse me then, I had the thought that I was responding to an individual wiser than me.
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I think you need a stronger grasp of English before you say anything else.
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Old 01-03-2007, 12:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity?

Did you just post that I have to improve my English first?
If so, why? Is it that my English is too complex or too simple, or is it just incomprehensible? If it is the last, am I to conform to a mass western approach which this current civilization have been educated with to reach out to a bigger crowd? Besides, I was just sharing and not really attempting to reach out, I am not even attempting to prove a point. There are those that may find it helpful; I repeat, just sharing. Not forcing or impressing anyone that it is the entire truth.

I had attempted to write from a scholarly point of perspective and many others ways before; I even threw away the idea of writing something aside before. Why? All the books out there are saying the same thing, but expressing it differently in many ways; so what is the point of contributing when so many people out there have already contributed with such Indescribable wisdom (awesome). You ask the divines yourself if you want to know why am I even adding on to the many expressions of the same message.

Besides from my personal experience, might not be applicable to others, that books cannot give me knowledge, only practice. I was once a scholar on many subjects and I don't wish to share my story on what happened latter.

Well, if it seems that my interaction with the probabilist seems hostile. If anyone really reads and understands, their questions to me have already been answered in that first post itself. Also, truth is, the vibe I received from the probabilist is similar to the vibe I used to vibrate. I don't want to continue about him as I respect his privacy. If his time comes he will meet or receive self realization or whatever that my simple mind cannot perceive. You must have shown me kindness before, for me to even explain again what I have written to you. I have revealed too much, enough.

Thanks. Hope it explains to you why I write in this way.

One more thing I would like to clarify is that even if the probabilist decided not to see me in a positive light, that does not give me any reason not to see him in a positive light. To me, he is also a part of a greater being I yield to, similarly to all that decides to judge me in a negative or positive light according to their individual perspective.

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Now If God encompasses everything, as he (Acknowledging both duality but just to simply state as he) creates, destroys and is everything that is of existence. Then God directs every macro to microscopic force that exist. Does free will apply from then on? Or has it become fate?
Fate and/or Free Will?
no free will in the perfect now exists
it just is exactly as it is
the extreme void of no duality is solid
and doesn't change
with no room for choices
is fated to just be
a clean slate
when drawn on
gives illusions
with deja vous
let me be unconscious some
let God's free will be done
as it is my own too
please guide me
also let me make fun and painful mistakes
against my perfect clean slate fate
driving down a divine planned road
with bad windshield whippers
and it's raining all the time
at least I have a 4X4 so if I loose the road
I can cruise more
although bumpy fun
my ego driven illusion
the momentum of my incarnation
goes a certain way
I shot out into the world
and keep going as naturally as possible
maybe it's all preplanned
a little of both mixed together
wiggle room please
not cast in stone
but cast in the winds
in perfect nows no free will exists
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I wanted to discuss this topic but most of these posts are a labor to read and impossible to make sense of. In my opinion we are subject to a combination of fate and free will. There is a great deal out of our control, but by our own effort we can prepare ourselves against fate.
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Just out of curiosity?

Did you just post that I have to improve my English first?
If so, why?
Yes. By ignoring the expected conventions of English, you're making it extremely difficult to be certain of what you are actually saying. I'm half-convinced that you wrote it in a different language and put it through a machine translator in order to make the post.

In order to be heard, you must be understood. So yes, you are incomprehensible: your language, not your ideas.
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Thank you, but I have already answered you above anyway for what you have just wrote back to me.

If you have not yet explore communications beyond verbal expressions, then its OK. When I express myself in the written language of english, I want to go as close as possible to the actual meaning. Since the english language is a denomination of a universal vibration, I can only do my best to reach as close as my limited capability can achieve. I am also not about to start the topic on languages. Like I said, I have already answered you, now I am using another way to answer your question, its just a matter of how you like it to your taste.

Each individual have each their own taste, if I were to satisfy all, it would be endless; there are so many types of books already written out there expressing the same thing, if you don't like this, take one from out there, seek and ye shall find, for one which you can comfortably digest. Or do I have to spell out something personally for you, and you alone. Allow me to keep it private; you by all your will, you may attempt to force it out of me, it is your right. By the same token, I respect the decision of the real you; in time you will realize it yourself. Better to realize it oneself than to unconsciously create an enemy by a misconception (You will never be an enemy to me, you gave me a chance to observe something whether you are aware or not).

Look at the wisdom of John Wesley and Wolfgang, do you like what they cooked?

Besides do you know where english was originated from? That language is so close to the universal vibrations; and if I am priviledged enough, I might even be allowed to learn in that country.

Namaste

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If you have not yet explore communications beyond verbal expressions, then its OK. When I express myself in the written language of english, I want to go as close as possible to the actual meaning.
So I take it you're vibrating the meaning of your words over the Internet to me? I don't think it's working too well.

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Besides do you know where english was originated from? That language is so close to the universal vibrations; and if I am priviledged enough, I might even be allowed to learn in that country.
English is derived from Germanic, seasoned with Latin, then French, before being cloned over to America, where it proceeded to mug random languages in dark alleys and search their pockets for words.

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