ego concept

[yoopersmith]

Paula,

I read your latest post a couple times, and I just don't get it...I get some of it...but...not most of it.

I will need it let it digest a little and come back to it...

...I will concede the point that we were talking about ME a lot, but I also think that we might have crossed wires many times, and I failed to point that out...

Let me sleep on it and get back to it.

CHEERS!

Yoops

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ralph

How could I not have personal experience with my own ego? Do I post from the other world, as a pure stream of consciousness? My name, Ralph, is a part of my ego and there you have some of my personal experience right in front of you.

Just because I mention Eckhart in my post doesn't mean that the post is a mindless rehash of his ideas. I just mentioned it so that you can consider that point of view for yourself, even though I'm not convinced to it.

Ego is a mind-made identity. Its created of memories and thought forms. It's ultimately an illusion that me and others perceive by their minds. The true me is a consciousness that perceives it.

Originally Posted by maguru

I think it's better to use your own experiences, rather someone else's philosophy, so have you personal experience of your ego being the sum of all you have described? Have you experienced your own ego at all?

The questions I asked were quite genuine, Ralph. No ulterior motive and a genuine interest in exploring your definition.

[yoopersmith]

Originally Posted by Maguru

It's easy, yoops. The truth! Be honest with yourself. See who you have become? The greatest 'I am' is when you know 'I am'. I know who "I am" because I created "I am" consciously. My journey revealed many aspects of self that I had created unconsciously. These traits were 'ego'. I changed them consciously, in full awareness of what I was doing and why I was doing.

I was hoping through collaboration with you that we would uncover the creator, through the absolute knowledge of the created. The only absolute available is life itself. I now have experience of being the created and of being the creator of myself.

The collaboration sounds fun...I agree that we are both one and the creator and the created...so that's some agreement with which to start.

Well you did ask! I think you are a human being playing it safe as Mr. boring nice guy, saying things you think will please others and making it very difficult for anyone to tell you the truth, except me.

This is the ♥♥♥♥♥ in me that I consciously created in full awareness of who I am being. The ♥♥♥♥♥ tells the harsh truth and the I tell the nice truth. They both come from the same place which is me, Paula the person.

On the other hand, you are pretending to be Mr nice guy that your ego created.

OK. You be the ♥♥♥♥♥, and I'll pretend to be the nice boring guy. Perhaps later I will "become" a bastard or whatever the opposite of "♥♥♥♥♥" is and you can pretend to be something else....so this ♥♥♥♥♥ is really everything that you are...or is it just a role you play to make a point?...or point out a harsh and very really real truth? Or is every fiber of your being ♥♥♥♥♥ through and through?

I like the ♥♥♥♥♥...and I like people that don't BS me, so either way, I'm cool with it.

Yoops, do me a favour and read the following paragraphs as a whole. Don't address them point by point as they are making one point as a whole.

I read over some of your earlier posts in this thread and also some of your blogs and you constantly deny yourself by the very fact of stating and re-stating this concept of another self. The self that you call consciousness.

On the other hand whilst denying your human self, you constantly refer to yourself....... A line from a comedy sketch: "Enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do you think about me?" Our communication has been all about you. I'm making no judgements here. I have nothing to gain except possibly an end to this circular communication.

However, this is who you are truly being underneath the pretense of Mr. nice guy. It is all there in your work. The truth of your human-being. Is it cool not knowing this?

I do understand that without experience of your own ego, knowledge of ego means nothing. I had hoped you would recognize that you are experiencing your ego but your concept of knowledge prevents you from seeing it.

The ego concept isn't designed to find the 'god' within, it's designed to find you."

That's the point and I have used the real you to illustrate this point to you many times and you have missed it. Who am I?

I like the joke, and thanks for the feedback.

I like that fundamentally we disagree on reality...and the words are getting in the way of real communication.

Have you ever read this post from Steve:

Subjective Reality Simplified

I choose the subjective reality model, and that is where I am speaking from...I don't claim to "know" that I'm right, because none of the models are provable or unprovable so to me it just comes down to choice.

I work with facts and information just like everyone else, and I am interested in learning knew insights about me and others (ok...maybe mostly about me! )...so I glad you are holding up this mirror to me and my writing...it's good for me to hear and I appreciate the helpful feedback...

On the "ego concept", I still really don't understand what the hell you are talking about, but I think it's safe to say that I don't totally agree with you...

Like the bit about the ego concept being designed to find YOU instead of god...I suppose I can sorta of agree with that, but not really.

CHEERS!

Yoops

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

The collaboration sounds fun...I agree that we are both one and the creator and the created...so that's some agreement with which to start.

OK. You be the ♥♥♥♥♥, and I'll pretend to be the nice boring guy. Perhaps later I will "become" a bastard or whatever the opposite of "♥♥♥♥♥" is and you can pretend to be something else....so this ♥♥♥♥♥ is really everything that you are...or is it just a role you play to make a point?...or point out a harsh and very really real truth? Or is every fiber of your being ♥♥♥♥♥ through and through?

I like the ♥♥♥♥♥...and I like people that don't BS me, so either way, I'm cool with it.

I like the joke, and thanks for the feedback.

I like that fundamentally we disagree on reality...and the words are getting in the way of real communication.

Have you ever read this post from Steve:

Subjective Reality Simplified

I choose the subjective reality model, and that is where I am speaking from...I don't claim to "know" that I'm right, because none of the models are provable or unprovable so to me it just comes down to choice.

In the first three paragraphs of Steve's article, he mentions the dream world, dreamer and dream 11 times as though it was fact. Everything he says from there only sounds logical if you can believe this dream world is not just a possibility, but that it exists! A belief built on sand.

On the "ego concept", I still really don't understand what the hell you are talking about, but I think it's safe to say that I don't totally agree with you...

Like the bit about the ego concept being designed to find YOU instead of god...I suppose I can sorta of agree with that, but not really.

CHEERS!

Yoops

You are living within the concept of a dream world.

Yoops this dream world doesn't allow you to see that your ego is creating a large part of the dream.

You do not see that pretending to be mr. nice guy is not the same as being a nice guy. Pretending is ego and being is.

[electrorainbow]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I don't understand how it is a part of you that cannot be denied and yet is not you. The separation is only in your mind. I think it would be nearer the truth to say you recognized a part of yourself that you were previously unaware of. Congratulations.

A part is not the whole. To clarify. I used (like the majority of the worlds human population) to think that the voice in my head WAS me, and it is not. I am awareness, not thought forms. You can HAVE thought forms, HAVE a body, HAVE a life, having something is different from being.

[electrorainbow]

the universe is consciousness playing with form, it's all a big game and ultimately isn't that important. when your truly in touch with consciousness, thats you behind form, behind thought and behind the ego, in every day life, all the time you are playing in the world of form (not just when siting still and meditating) you can truly appreciate how little (and by little I really mean nothing) there is to fret over. beliefs don't matter, opinions don't matter, what happens doesn't matter, it's all just a bit of a laugh really. these are all just symbols on a screen, interpret them as you will and be at peace.

[RubberDuck]

Driving my car today, a reoccurring thought came to me:" How can something as simple as aligning my ego with what is, be so difficult"

The idea which came to me may sound silly, but it seems interesting and works for me I do have some empathic skills, so it is not difficult for me to see the world from other beings point of view.

I actually implemented my cat's observative nature and way of reacting without a lot of thought involved. At least when driving it is very effective and I noticed that my attention in traffic improved substantially.
At the same time it is great practise in awareness

Observing ego-less creatures may be of help in other situations as well, just as a reference point.

It is very tempting to want to know, what you know you will never know.. So why not just be at peace with what is

RD

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by electrorainbow

A part is not the whole. To clarify. I used (like the majority of the worlds human population) to think that the voice in my head WAS me, and it is not. I am awareness, not thought forms. You can HAVE thought forms, HAVE a body, HAVE a life, having something is different from being.

I understand the connection with the mind. It was quite a few years ago that I became aware that I wasn't just my mind. I realized I HAD a mind and I had many thoughts that I hadn't really listened to. Talk, talk talk. This self-awareness gave me the hunger for more self-awareness. I wanted to fully understand and know this person I had become.
This was just the beginning of my 'spiritual' journey'.

electrorainbow the universe is consciousness playing with form, it's all a big game and ultimately isn't that important. when your truly in touch with consciousness, thats you behind form, behind thought and behind the ego, in every day life, all the time you are playing in the world of form (not just when siting still and meditating) you can truly appreciate how little (and by little I really mean nothing) there is to fret over. beliefs don't matter, opinions don't matter, what happens doesn't matter, it's all just a bit of a laugh really. these are all just symbols on a screen, interpret them as you will and be at peace.

Using your analogy, I would say that I chose to participate in the big game by pretending to actually be a form of life. I'm still pretending that I am not consciousness and I am not awareness and I am not god. I pretend life is real otherwise, as you say, it wouldn't be important.

I honestly wish I could see things from your perspective. I truly wish I could believe that nothing matters and it's just a bit of a laugh. It just hasn't been my experience and it is not the experience for many others, even those who believe in god. Humanity has the potential to change humanity's experience.

I believe the essence of life is change. Change is the only constant always in motion. It is undisputable. It is undebateable. It cannot be anything other than itself.

From your perspective of the voice in the mind being the ego, do you think that all my thoughts (above) are coming from my ego?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by RubberDuck

" How can something as simple as aligning my ego with what is, be so difficult"

When I understood what my 'ego' and 'what is', was, alignment was a natural process. I am at peace knowing what I did not know.

[yoopersmith]

Originally Posted by Maguru

In the first three paragraphs of Steve's article, he mentions the dream world, dreamer and dream 11 times as though it was fact. Everything he says from there only sounds logical if you can believe this dream world is not just a possibility, but that it exists! A belief built on sand.

Ok...let's say this belief is built on sand...what is your alternative belief and what is it's HARD solid foundation?

You are living within the concept of a dream world.

We are all

Yoops this dream world doesn't allow you to see that your ego is creating a large part of the dream.

Sure, I am aware that my ego creates some of my perceptions and the "dream world"...but as we discussed, it's not ALL my fault ...if it was all just me, I would be able to fly without a machine!

You do not see that pretending to be mr. nice guy is not the same as being a nice guy. Pretending is ego and being is.

THANKS! I think I finally get you!!! You mean that if I only recognize my nice and DENY my dark half, then I am only half a person...I couldn't agree more...♥♥♥♥♥! (That's my dark half for you!)

[Maguru]

Sure, I am aware that my ego creates some of my perceptions and the "dream world"...but as we discussed, it's not ALL my fault ...if it was all just me, I would be able to fly without a machine!

THANKS! I think I finally get you!!! You mean that if I only recognize my nice and DENY my dark half, then I am only half a person...I couldn't agree more...♥♥♥♥♥! (That's my dark half for you!)

Exactly, and I hope you mean '♥♥♥♥♥' in the nicest possible way.

I think it would be more accurate to say that 'you are only aware of half the person'. We are debating a difficult subject and experience of the subject sure helps understanding. Bear with me while I try to bring this full circle.

You asked me if you had touched a nerve and up to the point of asking I didn't think so. I was intentionally pushing hard but why was I? I re-read a number of posts from the beginning. I saw a pattern of you disagreeing with my points without question or explanation. The usual response was to restate your beliefs in a different format. You may be able to see for yourself. I don't know. I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

Ok...let's say this belief is built on sand...what is your alternative belief and what is it's HARD solid foundation?

This is probably the first question you have truly asked about my beliefs.

If we just leave the issues out of it for a moment and look at the personality within the pattern, are these the actions of a nice guy? Does a nice guy see the consequences of his actions? In this case the consequence would be my reaction. I was feeling unheard, bored, drained and dizzy with going round in circles. This is difficult for me to say, Yoops. I certainly don't want to hurt your feelings but I need to be totally honest about mine.

I wasn't aware of it myself because I was quite happy discussing you, but I was aware of feeling I'd had enough so I thought, "go for it one last time. Expose the ego through the experience of our communication." It was also hard for me to do.

I still am not judging you, merely pointing out that your dark side is almost invisible because you hide it with Mr. nice guy. But the truth is Mr. nice guy talks about himself most of the time and is oblivious to the effect it has on the other. Calling me a '♥♥♥♥♥' is not your dark side, your unawareness of your actions and the effect you have on others is.

I know this aspect of ego very well. I once was Mrs. goody. I wasn't pretending or trying. I believed I was but not in a conscious sense. I denied my dark side big time. I denied bad feelings towards others, except for guilt which is part of Mrs goody. I denied bad thoughts towards others because Mrs goody can't have bad thoughts. Mrs. Goody could only see the good in others because she believed unconsciously that was who she was and that we were all the same. She saw only her imagined reflection.

What I didn't see was how mrs goody was actually controlling under the guise of protecting, and the reactions of, "Who does she think she is?" amongst other things. I wish they would have told me what they were thinking but that would have exposed their own dark side, hey?

However, I wasn't being real. All these ideas and beliefs were from ego. A huge chunk of me was a construction of unchallenged ethics and morals and unchallenged idealistic beliefs about how life should be. Well, enough about me. What was your question about me?

My alternative belief? Here it is : The concept that we are all the same at a fundamental level and that the sameness could be a 'consciousness' as you put it or 'life energy' as I prefer, is possible. If this is true then we have two realities. One without form or thought and the other with form etc. They are opposites but can one exist without the other?

I believe if these two realities exist, then there is a possibility to unite them and create a new reality.

I could go on for hours but I hope your self awareness has developed and ego under control and that's about as far as I can go on the 'concept of ego'. Any questions?
Warmest regards

[yoopersmith]

Hey Paula,

Nice reply...you're right...I was just talking about what I think...how egoish of me

This was both unconscious of me and unintentional...mostly I didn't realize that you we were waiting for me to ask you "what do you think?"...I kinda thought that you were just supposed to do that on your own.

So what do you think?...perhaps a new thread...?



Snuggles and Slaps!

Yoops

[mercuryrising]

I have a few questions, Maguru.

Where is the heart in your beliefs?

Where is your faith in general?

You never really state with any certainty what you believe and you spend a lot of time critiquing other people.

Like above, Yooper asks you what you believe and you say,

The concept that we are all the same at a fundamental level and that the sameness could be a 'consciousness' as you put it or 'life energy' as I prefer, is possible.

What is that? That's not a belief.

Possible?

Where is your conviction?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

Hey Paula,

Nice reply...you're right...I was just talking about what I think...how egoish of me

This was both unconscious of me and unintentional...mostly I didn't realize that you we were waiting for me to ask you "what do you think?"...I kinda thought that you were just supposed to do that on your own.

So what do you think?...perhaps a new thread...?



Snuggles and Slaps!

Yoops

I'm suspicious when a smile is brought to my face. I hope you aren't being MR. nice guy and saying what you think I want to hear? I will slap you. I wasn't waiting for you to ask 'what do I think?" I told you a few times. It mustn't have impressed you at all what I think.

I know the ego isn't the bad guy, more naive and living in it's own little world. It was and is just a concept to bring 'wholeness of being' from the human unconsciousness into consciousness.

Ok, so what do you think of my alternative belief? Is it worth exploring in another thread?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

I have a few questions, Maguru.

You never really state with any certainty what you believe and you spend a lot of time critiquing other people.

I have said many times that I am certain we all exist in form on earth but that has been denied as a true reality and the reason given has been that "we are 'truly' consciousness, awareness, god." Now to me, one is real and the other a possibility. Others choose to believe one over the other. Is that what you expect of me?

Yooper asks you what you believe and you say,

The concept that we are all the same at a fundamental level and that the sameness could be a 'consciousness' as you put it or 'life energy' as I prefer, is possible. If this is true then we have two realities. One without form or thought and the other with form etc. They are opposites but can one exist without the other?

I believe if these two realities exist, then there is a possibility to unite them and create a new reality.

Do you think my concept might be possible?

What is that? That's not a belief.

Why is it not a belief?

I believe in possibilities but when possibilities are put forward as a certainty then yes, I will critique them.

I believe that what I said is possible. Some will believe it is not possible. I believe most, if not all, of creation/manifestation begins as a possibility.

Where is your conviction?

Where is the heart in your beliefs?

Where is your faith in general?

My answer to all three is humanity and especially mine. regards

[yoopersmith]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I'm suspicious when a smile is brought to my face. I hope you aren't being MR. nice guy and saying what you think I want to hear? I will slap you. I wasn't waiting for you to ask 'what do I think?" I told you a few times. It mustn't have impressed you at all what I think.

I was being true...the only time I will be false is:

1) when I am and I am unaware that I am being false

2) When I try to be funny and you don't get the humor

Ok, when you said what you believe I most likely agreed with most of what you said...I think. I don't respond much when I agree...

I know the ego isn't the bad guy, more naive and living in it's own little world. It was and is just a concept to bring 'wholeness of being' from the human unconsciousness into consciousness.

See, I agree with most of that.

Ok, so what do you think of my alternative belief? Is it worth exploring in another thread?

Yes...I look forward to hearing your insights into creating a new world by blending your ideas of form and no form...That will be very interesting to discuss...this thread is too long anyway.

CHEERS!

Yoops

[magi13]

^^, another looping discussion. ^^,

Reality and us are what we see and touch. you can affirm that with your five senses and the imagination of your mind(perception).

Origin of "I Am"

The Origin of 'I Am' in Exodus 3.14 -- Phillips and Phillips 23 (78): 81 -- Journal for the Study of the Old Testament

well this is my input to this thread. Enjoy

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I have said many times that I am certain we all exist in form on earth but that has been denied as a true reality and the reason given has been that "we are 'truly' consciousness, awareness, god." Now to me, one is real and the other a possibility. Others choose to believe one over the other. Is that what you expect of me?

I don't expect anything from you. I'm just calling it as I see it. Totally subjective, not a standard you need to measure against.

What I am trying to say is there is a power in faith that gets weakened when you can not state it with confidence. No matter what anyone thinks, you believe.

How about this: all beliefs are lies. No one has a monopoly on truth. With that said, we all still believe. The question is whether they serve us for our benefit or not.

Yooper asks you what you believe and you say,

I believe if these two realities exist, then there is a possibility to unite them and create a new reality.


Do you think my concept might be possible?

I think the only thing here is the relationship of those two realities. Everything is in continuous motion, right? So the only reality is the transmission between the potential and the real.

Why is it not a belief?

I believe in possibilities but when possibilities are put forward as a certainty then yes, I will critique them.

I believe that what I said is possible. Some will believe it is not possible. I believe most, if not all, of creation/manifestation begins as a possibility.

How does possibility become reality? Through conviction. Through certainty.

For example, "It is possible that I could be a famous writer."

versus

"I will be a famous writer."

The first statement remains a potentiality. The second becomes reality. This, I think is the relationship between the two realities that you are talking about. And the life energy, the power, the one reality, is what separates the true from the false.

[magi13]

nice, that makes sense. ^^ i agree with you mercuryrising.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by magi13

^^, another looping discussion. ^^,

Reality and us are what we see and touch. you can affirm that with your five senses and the imagination of your mind(perception).

Origin of "I Am"

The Origin of 'I Am' in Exodus 3.14 -- Phillips and Phillips 23 (78): 81 -- Journal for the Study of the Old Testament

well this is my input to this thread. Enjoy

Thanks. This thread has been about the 'concept of ego' and we have come full circle on that topic. However, if you have something new or something that hasn't been dicussed concerning ego, then I'm sure the discussion would continue.

However, because the topic has shifted onto (and has been mentioned many times) the the core of "I AM" which forms the perception of reality, it deserves a new thread. regards

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

I don't expect anything from you. I'm just calling it as I see it. Totally subjective, not a standard you need to measure against.

Sorry, I should have said what can I be expected to believe for certain? I didn't mean your personal expectations

What I am trying to say is there is a power in faith that gets weakened when you can not state it with confidence. No matter what anyone thinks, you believe.

How about this: all beliefs are lies. No one has a monopoly on truth. With that said, we all still believe. The question is whether they serve us for our benefit or not.

I think the only thing here is the relationship of those two realities. Everything is in continuous motion, right? So the only reality is the transmission between the potential and the real.

How does possibility become reality? Through conviction. Through certainty.

For example, "It is possible that I could be a famous writer."

versus

"I will be a famous writer."

The first statement remains a potentiality. The second becomes reality. This, I think is the relationship between the two realities that you are talking about. And the life energy, the power, the one reality, is what separates the true from the false.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, However, the belief I put forward wasn't really the issue we were discussing. It was about ego and his ego hadn't asked me about my beliefs. I just picked that belief out of the hat. It was a bit of banter. That was all there was to it.

I didn't mean to start another discussion and I'm sorry I didn't say this before. The truth is I am not interested in arguing semantics. I can't get a concept off the ground because of the different interpretations we all have.

However, I think your views are interesting and maybe you would like to open another thread on this subject.


regards

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by yoopersmith

I was being true...the only time I will be false is:

1) when I am and I am unaware that I am being false

2) When I try to be funny and you don't get the humor

Ok, when you said what you believe I most likely agreed with most of what you said...I think. I don't respond much when I agree...

Seeing as this is more of a 'improving communication skills', I will just advise to what I believe helps better understanding.

If you think you agree, then send it back (your understanding of what you are agreeing to) in your own words. Our perceptions of the same things are quite often opposite. That is why I ask you a lot of questions so I can clarify exactly what it is you mean.

If you disagree, don't just give your opposite point of view. Explain why you disagree and what it is you are disagreeing with. Then I can either agree with your disagreement because I see the point, or Pass it back with more information or in different words. Communication is based on mutual understanding, not on whether there is agreement.

See, I agree with most of that.

See what I mean? What are you communicating here? Do you agree? Why? Why not?

Yes...I look forward to hearing your insights into creating a new world by blending your ideas of form and no form...That will be very interesting to discuss...this thread is too long anyway.

I don't have any insights, Yoops. I've just seen that a lot believe in a world of form and a lot believe in a world without form. The belief I have is based on ifs and possibilities. There are many who are far more certain of reality than I am. You, for a start. Or is that still your ego?

I have really enjoyed this thread and especially our committment to communicate. It's meant more than any old ego. Cheers to you too, mate. BFN

[Misuto]

I have some thoughts/questions which are relative with some ideas in this thread :

1) When a video game is over, I can still play it again. When I die, may I live again ?... I suppose I can live with an new empty memory and a big cost.

2) When I play a video game, I can control my character to execute casting her/his magics but I cannot control my character step by step to cast a magic. In my life, I cannot control how my security cells attack on bacteria. I cannot control how long I am aware of something. However I can control my body move out of dangerous area to avoid many bacteria and read more books, news to increase the speed of my awareness. I cannot control how some of my sub-systems work, but I can control other sub-systems to support them.

2) Very many people read many books, comunicates much, and become experts. But they don't accept to change their thoughts although other thoughts make them be better in many sides. In many cases, they don't accept just because they don't like. What makes they don't like ?

3) I treat my body as an empire and I'm its emperor. I have four generals : External Interaction General, Thinking General, Security General, Internal Interaction General. I can control step by step many of my actions by directly command The External Interaction General who manages all interactions between my body with the environments inside and outside my body. But I cannot directly command The Security General who manages all security operation of my body cells, The Thinking General who manages my thoughts, The Internal General who manages all interactions between neurons, nerves. Is this separation similar with Ego separation ?... I like this treat because it make me xyz

[Maguru]

Wow! This is a challenge but I will do my best.

Originally Posted by Misuto

I have some thoughts/questions which are relative with some ideas in this thread :

1) When a video game is over, I can still play it again. When I die, may I live again ?... I suppose I can live with an new empty memory and a big cost.

Maybe this is a question we all ask? Some believe it and some don't. I don't believe we can truly know whilst alive. We can only think we know.

2) When I play a video game, I can control my character to execute casting her/his magics but I cannot control my character step by step to cast a magic. In my life, I cannot control how my security cells attack on bacteria. I cannot control how long I am aware of something. However I can control my body move out of dangerous area to avoid many bacteria and read more books, news to increase the speed of my awareness. I cannot control how some of my sub-systems work, but I can control other sub-systems to support them.

I think you are saying that some things in life you can control and others appear to take control automatically. I think it's true.

2) Very many people read many books, comunicates much, and become experts. But they don't accept to change their thoughts although other thoughts make them be better in many sides. In many cases, they don't accept just because they don't like. What makes they don't like ?

If people appear to refuse to change, then I would imagine it's either fear or unawareness.

3) I treat my body as an empire and I'm its emperor. I have four generals : External Interaction General, Thinking General, Security General, Internal Interaction General. I can control step by step many of my actions by directly command The External Interaction General who manages all interactions between my body with the environments inside and outside my body. But I cannot directly command The Security General who manages all security operation of my body cells, The Thinking General who manages my thoughts, The Internal General who manages all interactions between neurons, nerves. Is this separation similar with Ego separation ?... I like this treat because it make me xyz

Well, you have left out the cavalry and the foot soldiers and they are all in there as well, so maybe you are abc also?
Yes I think the separation is similar to ego separation but do you know which of these four generals could represent your ego?

[Misuto]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Well, you have left out the cavalry and the foot soldiers and they are all in there as well, so maybe you are abc also?

If I liked a super robot than an empire (which happened about ten years ago), I would imagine my body as a robot with four sub-system controllers (External interaction, Security, Thinking, Internal interaction). Now I like an empire than a robot. That empire also has four sub-systems, but they should be led by generals (empire should have generals who help the emperor manage it instead of having the emperor only). I like managing an empire more than a robot since I like working with human objects (generals) than non-human objects (sub-system controllers).

Another thing, when I imagine I'm an emperor, I have a higher spirit to have greater ambition, thinking, willing to ignore narrow, unimportant things, willing to forgive, and keep my honour. My empire just a model, belief to help me have more spiritual energy, than other model, belief.

Originally Posted by Maguru

Yes I think the separation is similar to ego separation but do you know which of these four generals could represent your ego?

No, I mean that here Ego is similar to the Emperor in my empire here. I think that a real powerful emperor has more chance to show his Ego than an experienced captain.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Misuto

If I liked a super robot than an empire (which happened about ten years ago), I would imagine my body as a robot with four sub-system controllers (External interaction, Security, Thinking, Internal interaction). Now I like an empire than a robot. That empire also has four sub-systems, but they should be led by generals (empire should have generals who help the emperor manage it instead of having the emperor only). I like managing an empire more than a robot since I like working with human objects (generals) than non-human objects (sub-system controllers).

Another thing, when I imagine I'm an emperor, I have a higher spirit to have greater ambition, thinking, willing to ignore narrow, unimportant things, willing to forgive, and keep my honour. My empire just a model, belief to help me have more spiritual energy, than other model, belief.

No, I mean that here Ego is similar to the Emperor in my empire here. I think that a real powerful emperor has more chance to show his Ego than an experienced captain.

I'm sorry but you've lost me. You can't imagine your ego, you have one or you don't.