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Since I am becoming more tuned to athiesm, I was wondering if I die, with a disbelief in god, and there happens to be god, what happens? do we all go to heaven after we die no matter what we did ? |
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Ah, Pascal's wager? You seem to have a view of god rooted in one religion, probably one of the abrahamic ones. It depends on who's god or gods it is. If I'm not mistaken and if it's the Muslim god there, Islam says all athiests go to hell, period, no matter how good you were in your life, but you still ahve the ability to switch to Islam at any time till your death (I wonder if you could after you died, cause maybe one heaven's better than the others). If the norse gods are correct then if you were a valiant warrior you might end up in valhalla. So...who's to say there's one god? And who's to say their rules are to be followed in the afterlife. |
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As RT Wolf pointed out, it depends on how God is if you have been wrong in your believes... If the Asiatic religions are right, you'll probably bee reborn to get some good karma. If the Muslims are right, you are doomed. I'll see you in hell. Judaism and Christianity have, as they are quite divided, different opinions on this. The Catholic Church, for example, will think you might get to heaven after all if you turned away from God because you honestly believed him to be nonexistent and hd no incling that it might b otherwise. Then, you'd have commited an act of false judgement, and that is no sin, so God would not judge you for it. But you'd probably have to spend a good time in purgatory. Other Christians would tell you the same as the Muslims, only in green: Without believe in Jesus, you are doomed. |
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| Seconded. Though the details might differ. Depending on your belief in life, it probably gets more or less difficult to accept what really happens after life. That is of course, if the truth even is that anything happens after life. I have put some faith in what Erin writes on the subject. It seems logical to me and is rather comforting too. From Steve's vocabulary I'll borrow the concept of empowering beliefs. For me atheism is disempowering, it rips all meaning away from life and just leaves you with the purpose of spreading this belief. Even if atheism is the truth, or especially in this case since there is no punishment after death for having the wrong beliefs, you have nothing to loose by staying open to new beliefs. So don't shut yourself in completely is you choose to explore atheism. Remember that if life starts feeling dull, you can always choose something else for a while. |
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Well actually this is from no religion. I read in some spirituality website that said even 5 minutes before you die, your conscsiousness will matter after death. So like people in higher consciousness after death will expoler higher realms and lower ones will only access to lower realms. I don't know. I'm starting to lose all my faith in spirituality after all, just trying to see what you think |
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I think we die. And when we die...we are dead. Whatever happens after it will happen to all of us, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, Satanists and Jedis, all of them will go to the same thing. |
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maybe what you have in conscience now is what you have then :-) | |
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Read Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. He has taken 1000s through 'life between life' hypnotic regression and there is amazing consistency between their accounts no matter what the person's beliefs were before being hypnotically regressed.
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Your constantly programming your mind over the course of your life. If you program yourself with a highly polarized belief in nothingness after death, your program may shut down for awhile after death, meaning you go unconscious for a bit until you (or rather, the "you in the future" aka higher self) eventually reengages the program. The ego you are familiar with in life is just another program, or set of clothes for consciousness -- a tool it uses to learn some facet of expression. When you die you move from space/time into "time/space". In space/time there is free movement in space, but not free movement in time. "Time/space" is the complete opposite. You have free movement in time but no way of affecting space (there are ways, but for the sake of simplicity lets stick with this concept). The nature of that world renders things intangible in a material sense, but events from space/time may be rifled through, much as we rifle through books. Imbalances from the past life just lived cannot be balanced at this level, for the most part. However, they can be understood, accepted, and forgiven. The value of incarnation is that even though we are working in darkness with a small candle (because we have no memory of who we are) we may correct imbalances in consciousness. After death it is much more difficult to do, even though we can see the imbalances more clearly at that level. The world after death is like an information field which is skewed by belief. So if you strongly believe in hell or in heaven, you may experience just that. Those who just approach it with gentle curiosity will see that it is unlimited mind or spirit, which ultimately is the same thing as love. | |
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Theres a Catholic teaching that says if we live according to our conscience no matter whether we profess a faith in God during life we are okay for heaven!! Real Christianity is not based on whether you say you believe in God or Christ. Heavens look at the trail of really dangerous people who call themselves believers Its all guesswork anyway and who cares. Its this moment here that determines my fate. At the moment its alright. That will do me. Heaven can wait. |
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The nervous system seeks continuity and creates all of these different theories about the "after life". Most of which...surprise, surprise..entail continuity. When I die, I will return to what I was before I was born (that makes the most sense to me). Rhythman |
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It also raises the question of what "heaven" might really be? Is it fluffy clouds, angels, and pearly gates? Is it eternal life? Is it a transition to a higher plane? Is it reincarnation in a higher form? | ||
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Even if you do not believe in God, who's to say that you don't have a spirit? How do you explain Jon Edward and Erin Pavlina if there is no spiritual world? Just because there is no God does not mean there isn't a spiritual world. Maybe the spirit world has no central control. Just throwing this out as a possibility. There is something up there, some reason why the universe is as it is, but I guess the only way to know for sure is to die. I remember the Zen Koan of a student asking the Zen master what happens when you die. The master says, "I don't know." The student says, "But you're a Zen master." The master responds by saying, "Not a dead one." Personally, I find it more empowering to believe that there is *something* after you die, even if I am skeptical in my beliefs about God. But to each his own. Keep your fingers crossed for a never-ending all-you-can-eat buffet though. Last edited by Andrew Brunelle; 11-19-2008 at 10:04 PM. |
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So what happens to them if there is indeed a God? I mean there have to be people that simply don't know about God. Same thing - what happens in this event? Cheers, Eisho | |
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