subjective reality sounds good to me

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Anagogy, your pov meshes well with a shift in my consciousness about a year ago, I'd really like to talk more in depth with you maybe via pm's if you are interested. Thanks for sharing that.

[Joshiepoo3000]

Be prepared Lorenzo, I am gonna have fun with this response. No offense meant, and none will be taken from you. Ok?

Originally Posted by lorenzo

Huh? How did we get to Jesus now? Perhaps you took my "blessings" as a sign that I am religious? Sorry if I mislead you. I am not. I do not mean that in a religious way, but I can see how you could have interpret it that way. My aplogies.

No Lorenzo, I know you are not religious. I just related it to Jesus in hopes it would be obvious to you. I believe Jesus to be real so I talk like he is.

Originally Posted by lorenzo

The reality that I experience is *my* responsability. I created it. That includes the religious person that tells me about hell or heaven (which in my reality that's annoying).

So you are saying you created the person telling you about heaven and hell? Wait...what? And since you created that reality, then that person is your responsibility? These questions are rhetorical. I am just telling you what you are saying is nonsense, so you don't really have to answer them. But I would get a kick out of you indulging me.

Originally Posted by lorenzo

Don't get confused between the experience of a reality that I created AND merely messages I get from the reality I created. A person telling me that I'll go to hell is like a teacher telling me that I am failing class when I do not experience going to class in the first place

So how can you make a statement about hell if you don't know what hell is because you haven't experienced it? You've know what a class is, so you can tell the teacher, "No I am not even attending your class." You can't, however; tell someone you aren't going to hell, because you don't know what hell is.

Originally Posted by lorenzo

In the original example, Do I go to class? Do I experience class everyday? I assume Yes, otherwise the example would be silly. But perhaps I disagree with the teacher about it. The fact is that *I* created a reality where (1) there is a class, and (2) the teacher has somewhat the last word on the concept of "failing" or "passing" class.

If you created the reality where there is a class, then you can decide on whether you are taking the class or not. Why would you create a reality where a teacher can fail you or not? I would create one where the teacher always passes me. Lol. Again these are rhetorical questions so you can see how much nonsense it makes.

Originally Posted by lorenzo

If you create a reality where someobody has the power of telling you that you'll go to heaven or hell, well than maybe you will create such thing and you will go in such place.

I didn't create the reality, Lorenzo. It was there before I was born. I won't go there because I read a book called the Bible that tells me how not to go there.

Originally Posted by lorenzo

You are too cought up in subjective/objective and it seems to drive you crazy that I do not want to pick one and one only (which, in fact, I don't). I say that these two concepts taken by itself are not enough to describe how things are.

Subjective is yin, except neither good nor bad. Objective is yang, except neither good nor bad. I created neither, but have been placed in them. In perfect balance they make "truth."

Originally Posted by lorenzo

That's a bit like photons, which behave like particles AND waves at the same time. Well, I think that reality behaves in part in a subjective manner and part in an objective manner, for lack of better terms. Neither term is a complete description of the whole.

As you can see, I agree that both make the whole of reality. The two halves make a whole. Each has its own characteristics; those characteristics are what we debate about. Together they are a whole pie. We then bake it and have a delicious snack.