Jesus was a raw foodist

[Savage]

From Jesus as recorded in the Essene Gospels:

"But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits, likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen, and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing. And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat, paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls also."

"Cook not ... lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord."

Jesus was apparently a vegetarian too -- or at least very pro-veg in his teachings. But since he was into raw milk, he wasn't a vegan. At least he didn't have to worry about bovine growth hormone back then.

Now I don't know about you, but being abominable in the eyes of the Lord doesn't sound too pleasant... not to mention having a steaming bog for a bowel.

More info here:
Jesus was a Vegetarian and Raw-Foodist!

[mark7]

now i will agree with everything you say here! from my learning.

adam kadmon, jesus christ, tetragramaton would be pleased! to here such words!

nothing more to add to this

[Cantando]

From what I've read, he did eat meat, as long as it was kocher. He also said something like it's not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but what comes out, since it comes from the heart.

Extract from Did Jesus Eat Meat?:

As a Jew, Jesus must have kept the Law of Moses perfectly. Yet that same law required all Jews to keep the Passover celebration.

"All the congregation of Israel are to celebrate [the Passover]." (Exodus 12:47)

The Gospels specifically mention Jesus keeping three Passover feasts in Jerusalem. However, in order to keep the feast, the participants were given roasted lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread to eat (Exodus 12:3-4). The entire lamb had to be eaten during the feast. If there were any leftovers, they had to be burned (Exodus 12:10). If Jesus did not eat the lamb, he would have been violating the Law and could have been accused of sin.

"... observe the Passover to the LORD. 'In the second month on the fourteenth day at twilight, they shall observe it; they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. 'They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break a bone of it; according to all the statute of the Passover they shall observe it. 'But the man who is clean and is not on a journey, and yet neglects to observe the Passover, that person shall then be cut off from his people, for he did not present the offering of the LORD at its appointed time. That man will bear his sin." (Numbers 9:10-13)

The New Testament records that Jesus did eat the Passover feast, which would include the eating of the roasted lamb (Luke 22:14-15). In fact, before the last Passover meal, Jesus specifically instructs his disciples to prepare the meal, including the lamb, for their observance.

"Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it."" (Luke 22:7-8)

Not only did Jesus eat lamb, but he also ate fish. "But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, 'Have you any food here?' So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence" (Luke 24:41-43). He served it for the 4,000 in Matthew 15:34-37. Jesus also promoted the catching of fish for the purpose of consuming them.

"So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No." And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch." So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. ... So when they got out on the land, they saw a charcoal fire already laid and fish placed on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish which you have now caught." Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples ventured to question Him, "Who are You?" knowing that it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the fish likewise." (John 21:5-6, 9-14)

[mark7]

right........................
hmmmmmm stuff it ill say it,
go and buy a book called the Mystical qabalah

or! google it and read it online, its by Dion fortune, im saying no more on that matter!,

grrrrrrr , when you read it, you may read 20 pages fluently, then all of a sudden come to a stop, a mental block if you like, dont! DONT!!!!! read past that page, go back a paragraph and read again, and again until it clicks with you.
This is very important!!!!, dissmiss the parts reperting to the tarot unless this is significant to you.
(i really shouldnt be saying stuff like this on here, from what i have learned, it is supposed to come from a searching and needing to understand!, not someone pointing you in the right direction : ( not sure if im doing the right thing here ?????????)

only when it has clicked carry on. its a very hard book, very hard! but stay with it, after you have read this read through bits of the old testament you thought you knew, and things will be revealed!, if you want to go deeper i will tell you what to read from there.

im a christian, and the kjv reads a very nice story, but within that story are some very real truths that you dont understand unless you are given the keys.

i read it for yeARS AND IM NOW ONLY READING IT FOR WHAT IT REALLY MEANS, sorry im in caps lol.

ever since the jews hid the true meaning of the words of the bible, it has been a philosophical story, but since 1995 that changed.

dont take this litely its not , its very hard from a phisical plane understnding to get a grip on, and it boiled my brain for months!, but now im seeing it for what it really means, that has been hidden.

im not on here every day sorry but when i am i have a flurry lol, so if you want to know anything ask and ill try to answer, but bare in mind your quetions maybe way behond what i know lol.

[mark7]

The lamb isnt a bar. bar lamb lol,

read the book, and dont take those first words so literally

it will only take you 2 weeks if you read it fast, but take ya time, take a month on it!!!!, understand it

repost lol, im not sure if im doing the right thing here ???
from what ive been taught true understanding comes from searching, which is what i have done so far.

and what i am doing now is pointing people in directions that i know or have found to be right, and i think im doing the wrong thing ????????? and that you need to find this direction, without direction from me so to speak,
if you take the wrong path then its supposed to be!!!!, and im giving you short cuts, whithout giving you time to develope on individual planes. which is dangerous, as you percieve you are in commune with one manifestation, when you are actually in touch with something else ?????????????????????????.......... read the book and dont go any thurther!, after reading it you will understand what i mean, positive, negative, chokmah, binah and so on.

[Ravanous]

A character in a book is vegetarian.


Actually, if I were to guess, I'd guess that Christians are, by ratio, the least likely to be vegetarians compared to, say, atheists or Buddhists. That's kind of interesting.

[eruso]

Wow, awesome.

[dali]

hahaha thats a laugh!!

[danas]

BTW mark7 if you mentioned Kabala
It is written that the founder of the Kabala, Rabbi Shimon, along with his son, wrote the zohar- (the chief kabalistic work), during 12 years, while hiding in a cave and eating only carobs and drinking water.
thats right only carobs for 12 years.
Another mystical raw super hero.

[The David]

Jesus died at 33.

[Hyperchiller]

Originally Posted by mark7

The lamb isnt a bar. bar lamb lol,

read the book, and dont take those first words so literally

it will only take you 2 weeks if you read it fast, but take ya time, take a month on it!!!!, understand it

repost lol, im not sure if im doing the right thing here ???
from what ive been taught true understanding comes from searching, which is what i have done so far.

and what i am doing now is pointing people in directions that i know or have found to be right, and i think im doing the wrong thing ????????? and that you need to find this direction, without direction from me so to speak,
if you take the wrong path then its supposed to be!!!!, and im giving you short cuts, whithout giving you time to develope on individual planes. which is dangerous, as you percieve you are in commune with one manifestation, when you are actually in touch with something else ?????????????????????????.......... read the book and dont go any thurther!, after reading it you will understand what i mean, positive, negative, chokmah, binah and so on.

Kabbalah isn't something people look at anyway so if people resonated toward finding the truth they would seek it out. It certainly is dangerous if you're not grounded in the physical world yet like I am so it's best to get a 'life' (experience) first. My recommendation would be to read this article from this website first and then read the book you recommended by Fortune. I haven't got into Kabbalah but that's my two cents.

[oberlee]

...or one of the gazillion Bible editors throughout the centuries was.

I'm kind of curious about my bowels turning into steaming bogs, though. That sounds like fun.

[rosegold]

How old is this text? It's not a modern forgery?

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by rosegold

How old is this text? It's not a modern forgery?

This is what I found following the link that Steve offered. It was on this page here.

It was in 1928 that Edmond Bordeaux Szekely first published his translation of Book One of The Essene Gospel of Peace, an ancient manuscript he had found in the Secret Archives of the Vatican as the result of limitless patience, faultless scholarship, and unerring intuition. This story is told in his book, The Discovery of the Essene Gospel of Peace, published in 1975. The English version of Book One appcared in 1937, and ever since, the little volume has traveled over the world, appearing in many different languages, gaining every year more and more readers, until now, still with no commercial advertisement, over a million copies have been sold in the United States alone. It was not until almost fifty years after the first French translation that Book Two and Book Three appeared (The Unknown Books of the Essenes and Lost Scrolls of the Essene Brotherhood), achieving rapidly the popularity of Book One.

In 1981, Book Four, The Teachings of the Elect, was published posthumously according to Dr. Szekely's wishes, representing yet another fragment of the complete manuscript which exists in Aramaic in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Library of the Habsburgs (now the property of the Austrian government). The poetic style of the translator brings to vivid reality the exquisitely beautiful words of Jesus and the Elders of the Essene Brotherhood. Some of the chapters: The Essene Communions. The Sevenfold Peace. The Holy Streams of Life, Light, and Sound. The Gift of the Humble Grass.

[uberinquisitive]

Jesus ate cooked fish.

"But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, 'Have you any food here?' So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence"
(Luke 24:41-43)

"So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No." And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch." So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. ... So when they got out on the land, they saw a charcoal fire already laid and fish placed on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish which you have now caught." Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples ventured to question Him, "Who are You?" knowing that it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the fish likewise." (John 21:5-6, 9-14)

[Orange]

Originally Posted by uberinquisitive

Jesus ate cooked fish.

"But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, 'Have you any food here?' So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence"
(Luke 24:41-43)

"So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No." And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch." So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish. ... So when they got out on the land, they saw a charcoal fire already laid and fish placed on it, and bread. Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish which you have now caught." Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples ventured to question Him, "Who are You?" knowing that it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the fish likewise." (John 21:5-6, 9-14)

Just shows how the bible had many writers... Its just a mixture of text made to help people later changed into text made to scare people.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

From Jesus as recorded in the Essene Gospels:

"But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits, likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen, and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing. And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat, paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls also."

"Cook not ... lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord."

When Jesus preached, he used everyday terms his listeners could understand and relate to. He talked about grapes, vines, wheat, the aridity of the desert, etc. The climate of Israel is pretty hot and dry, so why would he talk about frost and steaming bogs?

Were these things prevalent in Palestine at the time?
Was the landscape dotted with these fetid quagmires, and temperatures plummeting to below freezing on a nightly basis?

So, if ‘killing’ food is wrong, is it then OK to eat the raw flesh of an animal that has already died of natural causes?

The whole text sounds like something out of Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

NARRATOR: And so Arthur and Bedemir and Sir Robin set out on their
search to find the enchanter of whom the old man had spoken in Scene 24.
Beyond the forest they met Launcelot and Galahad, and there was much
rejoicing.
ALL: Yay! Yay!
NARRATOR: In the frozen land of Nador they were forced to eat Robin's
minstrels. And there was much rejoicing.
ALL: Yay!
NARRATOR: A year passed. Winter changed into Spring. Spring changed
into Summer. Summer changed back into Winter. And Winter gave Spring
and Summer a miss and went straight on into Autumn. Until one day...

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

From Jesus as recorded in the Essene Gospels:

"But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits, likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen, and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing. And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat, paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls also."

"Cook not ... lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord."

Jesus was apparently a vegetarian too -- or at least very pro-veg in his teachings. But since he was into raw milk, he wasn't a vegan. At least he didn't have to worry about bovine growth hormone back then.

Now I don't know about you, but being abominable in the eyes of the Lord doesn't sound too pleasant... not to mention having a steaming bog for a bowel.

More info here:
Jesus was a Vegetarian and Raw-Foodist!

This is not from the teachings of Jesus; just additional, false, text. Blasphemy.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Jesus was apparently a vegetarian too -- or at least very pro-veg in his teachings. But since he was into raw milk, he wasn't a vegan. At least he didn't have to worry about bovine growth hormone back then.

Now I don't know about you, but being abominable in the eyes of the Lord doesn't sound too pleasant... not to mention having a steaming bog for a bowel.

Ha!! I knew it! But how are you going to convince him to run for President?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Nasir

This is not from the teachings of Jesus; just additional, false, text. Blasphemy.

Ah yes. No doubt this was the work of evil nutritionists who were promoting the health benefits of vegetables in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Ah yes. No doubt this was the work of evil nutritionists who were promoting the health benefits of vegetables in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

There is nothing wrong with being vegan (I was for 15 years). I said this is not what Jesus talked about, and shouldn't be promoted as such. You're free to express your opinion, as am I; there is no need to post sarcastic replies.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Nasir

I never said there was anything wrong with being vegan (I was for 15 years). I said this is not what Jesus talked about, and shouldn't be promoted as such.

Proof?

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Proof?

Your proof?

I'm not trying to convince you (I can't), I'm just stating what I believe. I believe what I believe, because I am a Christian.

[Acting Like Godot]

I just find it interesting to think about this -

if there were people out to blaspheme about the teachings of Jesus, why would they choose, of all things, to blaspheme on the topic of veggies?

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I just find it interesting to think about this -

if there were people out to blaspheme about the teachings of Jesus, why would they choose, of all things, to blaspheme on the topic of veggies?

...

[Arboretor]

As long as it is ok to eat cooked lamb and fish, as Jesus did, I can also become a raw foodist.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

As long as it is ok to eat cooked lamb and fish, as Jesus did, I can also become a raw foodist.

.. not forgetting the occasional glass of vino tinto to wash it down!

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by Cantando

.. not forgetting the occasional glass of vino tinto to wash it down!

Ah, yes, of course...! Thinking that He actually tried to improve people's taste for wine!... Gasp!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Nasir

Your proof?

I'm not trying to convince you (I can't), I'm just stating what I believe. I believe what I believe, because I am a Christian.

Being Christian is a choice, is it not? So your beliefs are also by choice. I'm just curious why you'd choose to believe something for which you offer no proof. Do you find it empowering to believe that Jesus would condone your diet, or something along those lines? Or would you feel bad if you ate differently than Jesus would eat today?

[Nasir]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Being Christian is a choice, is it not? So your beliefs are also by choice. I'm just curious why you'd choose to believe something for which you offer no proof. Do you find it empowering to believe that Jesus would condone your diet, or something along those lines? Or would you feel bad if you ate differently than Jesus would eat today?

Yes, Christianity is a choice I've made. No, I don't find it empowering to believe Jesus would condone my diet, nor am I looking down on others for eating what they want. I do believe that this "Jesus was a vegan" text is bunk though.

Luke 24:40 - "...he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence."

This is proof for my reality. This is not proof for your reality, as I know you think the Bible is bunk.

While you're here, I would like to thank you for all the insights you provide. Although I don't agree with everything you write / podcast, I've found a lot of value in what you have to say.