Oprah - A Christian?

[gr8tocre8]

Everyone knows that Oprah is a big proponent of the LOA. What confuses me is that several times, I've heard her claim that she's still a Christian. Anyone who's read anything about the LOA (especially from Abraham, who pretty much introduced the concept to the world in the 80's) will know that the principles of the LOA conflicts with Christianity.

...especially considering that Oprah is a big fan of Abraham.

My question is - does anyone know what Oprah means when she says that she's still a Christian? A lot of people are "progressive Christians", which is not really being Christian at all, so maybe that's what she means?

Any Oprah buffs out there who have seen her talk about this subject in depth?

By the way, for all you guys who just got bent out of shape over my statement that you can't be a by-the-book Christian and believe in the Law Of Attraction at the same time, please read "The law of attraction" by Abraham Hicks before getting your panties in a bunch, as that's the Law Of Attraction Oprah subscribes to.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Everyone knows that Oprah is a big proponent of the LOA. What confuses me is that several times, I've heard her claim that she's still a Christian. Anyone who's read anything about the LOA (especially from Abraham, who pretty much introduced the concept to the world in the 80's) will know that the principles of the LOA conflicts with Christianity.

I'll bet someone is gonna talk about the old "ask and ye shall recieve" quote form the Bible, and maybe expand on that.

The last I heard of her is that she believes that it isn't something that you can use for everything, i.e. it's just a tool for certain occasions. While Abraham says that it is the foundation upon which everything is built.

To say it like this: it seems that she doesn't believe in the LoA as much as Abraham does.

[JorgeHTQH]

Oprah is NOT a christian, she is 100% new age,a servant of the devil.. :>)

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

It conflicts with the ossified, established christianity of the churches but I've heard suggestions that Jesus was a guy who really knew how to use LOA (changing reality so fast that it seemed a miracle). If you're going to be a real follower of that christ fellow, I don't think you would be exactly a conventional christian. Conventional christians aren't.

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by JorgeHTQH

Oprah is NOT a christian, she is 100% new age,a servant of Oprah.. :>)

That's better


And now on a serious note, the bible is filled with examples of LOA/manifestation techniques, the language is just archaic and hard for us living in this newer age to understand. Also Christianity, being an exclusive religion tries to scare people away from other religions with their warnings and condemnations of using spiritual muscle in any way other than their way. This is part of the reason some texts were selected for canonization and others were not, I suspect that during translations things were also manipulated to support the churches power over the people rather than the real message of JC which was, "Look what is possible", "you can rise above the fears and frustrations of the world" if you renew your mind.

It is the nature of the world and the ego to control other people, it is the "original sin", Christianity, at it's beginning was meant to liberate the oppressed by breaking the mental chains that the "world" puts on us soon after birth. So....maybe Oprah is Christ like in that respect....even if she is self-promoting. If we would not be our own advocate, who would be?

[metamorph]

Could you define what you mean by being Christian. So we can better discuss this? There are so many different concepts of Christianity out there, and I am not sure which one you mean (the bible, wikipedia definition, catholics, christian mystics, jesus himself etc).

[NickW]

--Everyone knows that Oprah
--especially considering that Oprah
--does anyone know what Oprah means
--Any Oprah buffs out there
--the Law Of Attraction Oprah subscribes to.

Who the flock cares what "Oprah" thinks?

"Oprah" is 300 pounds of bear liver stuffed into a clear plastic bag designed for 200 pounds.

--Also Christianity, being an EXclusive religion
This is precisely incorrect. You're exactly 180-degrees opposite of the truth.

Christianity is an INclusive religion--anyone can join, anyone can call themselves Christian, anyone can create another "Christian" denomination, anyone can extend the religion in any way they want to, etc. Got it?

[Annabelle]

Please, a little respect for Oprah. There are millions of persons that DO care what Oprah thinks, even if you don´t

[gr8tocre8]

Originally Posted by metamorph

Could you define what you mean by being Christian. So we can better discuss this? There are so many different concepts of Christianity out there, and I am not sure which one you mean (the bible, wikipedia definition, catholics, christian mystics, jesus himself etc).

Metamorph, I'm talking about by-the-book Christianity, where the belief is that there is only one truth, and unless you subscribe to that truth, you're frying for eternity. This religion is pretty much the opposite of LOA, as it leaves man at the mercy of "the will of God", as if there is some outside, higher force than ourselves that dictates our every more.

[gr8tocre8]

Originally Posted by Elrond

I'll bet someone is gonna talk about the old "ask and ye shall recieve" quote form the Bible, and maybe expand on that.

The last I heard of her is that she believes that it isn't something that you can use for everything, i.e. it's just a tool for certain occasions. While Abraham says that it is the foundation upon which everything is built.

To say it like this: it seems that she doesn't believe in the LoA as much as Abraham does.

My personal opinion is that she doesn't COMPLETELY disclose how she feels about the LOA, because of ratings/suggestions from producers. Makes sense, because she also has tons of shows covering people who have been victims of the most horrific crimes. If she were to go into "LOA-mode" on those shows, explaining that we all create our reality 100%, considering the overall state of consciousness in the world, it would create so much controversy that she'd probably end up getting canceled.

...just my humble opinion

[Chris Cade]

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

My personal opinion is that she doesn't COMPLETELY disclose how she feels about the LOA, because of ratings/suggestions from producers. Makes sense, because she also has tons of shows covering people who have been victims of the most horrific crimes. If she were to go into "LOA-mode" on those shows, explaining that we all create our reality 100%, considering the overall state of consciousness in the world, it would create so much controversy that she'd probably end up getting canceled.

I can see how that might not be looked fondly upon by very large TV networks. Future NYTimes headline says:

"Oprah says 'You deserved it' to audience member crying about being [insert horrific thing here]."

("deserve" being used here as an extension of somebody choosing their own reality, and therefore deserving every single thing they get... good or bad)

Yeah... that wouldn't go over too well

[jeff3]

Originally Posted by NickW

--Everyone knows that Oprah
--especially considering that Oprah
--does anyone know what Oprah means
--Any Oprah buffs out there
--the Law Of Attraction Oprah subscribes to.

Who the flock cares what "Oprah" thinks?

"Oprah" is 300 pounds of bear liver stuffed into a clear plastic bag designed for 200 pounds.

--Also Christianity, being an EXclusive religion
This is precisely incorrect. You're exactly 180-degrees opposite of the truth.

Christianity is an INclusive religion--anyone can join, anyone can call themselves Christian, anyone can create another "Christian" denomination, anyone can extend the religion in any way they want to, etc. Got it?

If you really believe that you are actually one of the "excluded" according to the fundamental* (strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles) believers. All this anything goes stuff you speak of is a far cry from what the general body of believers in this country hold to. FAIL

Anyone can create another Christan denomination..... It will cease to be Christan the moment critical things are left out or forbidden things are added. FAIL

Anyone can extend the religion any way they want.......see above. FAIL

Anyone can join....christianity is a "one way" religion, you cannot be in another religion that denies the sovereignty of Christ and be a "Christian. FAIL

Anyone can call themselves a christian....see above. FAIL

Anyone can join....see above 2. FAIL

Got it?

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Metamorph, I'm talking about by-the-book Christianity, where the belief is that there is only one truth, and unless you subscribe to that truth, you're frying for eternity. This religion is pretty much the opposite of LOA, as it leaves man at the mercy of "the will of God", as if there is some outside, higher force than ourselves that dictates our every more.

OK, thanks for explaining! I have only watched the Tolle webcasts with Oprah, so I cannot comment on her, and I am neither into your definition of Christianity nor into LOA.
You see, there are so many labels out there, and they all just cause confusion. Just take "love". There are probably as many different ideas about love as there are people on earth. What if everybody was saying "if you do not have the same definition of love as I do, then you do not know what real love is"?
I am not sure what the motive for your question is? Why do you care about Oprah? Are you trying to separate yourself from her: if she does not have the same idea of Christianity as me, then she is not on my "team"? If so, does that do you any good?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

Anyone who's read anything about the LOA (especially from Abraham, who pretty much introduced the concept to the world in the 80's) will know that the principles of the LOA conflicts with Christianity.

Nonsense. Jesus was a prime example of a LOA master.

And LOA is a lot older than 80s. In fact the earliest example of LOA that I've found is right at the start of the Bible. There was this chap, he expressed his intention:

"Let there be light!"

And lo and behold, there was light.

The rest is history.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by gr8tocre8

My personal opinion is that she doesn't COMPLETELY disclose how she feels about the LOA, because of ratings/suggestions from producers. Makes sense, because she also has tons of shows covering people who have been victims of the most horrific crimes. If she were to go into "LOA-mode" on those shows, explaining that we all create our reality 100%, considering the overall state of consciousness in the world, it would create so much controversy that she'd probably end up getting canceled.

...just my humble opinion

I like it. A refeshing possibility that does make sense.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Nonsense. Jesus was a prime example of a LOA master.

And LOA is a lot older than 80s. In fact the earliest example of LOA that I've found is right at the start of the Bible. There was this chap, he expressed his intention:

"Who turned the bloody light off?"

"Let there be light!"

And lo and behold, there was light.

The rest is history.

[gr8tocre8]

[QUOTE=metamorph;250197]I am not sure what the motive for your question is?

Just pure curiosity