New Understanding

[fellowtraveler]

I sometimes hesitate to share, as though if there are too many oberservers, the thing I treasure will vanish like a soap bubble. Like it's something I can only see from the corner of my eye and if I look directly at it, it will go away.

But I cast these out as messages in bottles to be found by the rare one who even cares. Perhaps, then again, many observers may be a good thing - to burn away the sludge and to help make it solid.

This one has to do with my personal reality (as if it could be otherwise!).

Everything points to love. Love points back, and the first node it reaches is service to others.

In the Ra materials, it is implied that this servant role is crucial to the likelihood of one's being able to advance to a "higher" state. And, it seems as though priority of reincarnation is given to those who wish to have one last chance to accumulate the necessary "points", for lack of a better word, in order to advance along with the imminent "harvest".

I've been feeling sorry for myself the past few days. Why, in my relatively advanced years, am I being asked to raise my boy all over again? He's doing very well, but besides living my own life, I have to pay some of his bills, keep track of the hard details of his comings and goings, make sure he fills out the right forms and goes to the right places at the right times, and sometimes he resists. As well, my lovely wife has needed me for such things for over 30 years.

Why can't I go back to sleep? Why won't they leave me alone? I'm no nurse...I cannot heal you! All I want to do is to to smoke a little weed, ride my iron steed, have a little sex, and die in my sleep!

But...in all the years of wandering, wondering...what have I been good for? What is my accomplishment? My purpose? I have done no Great Thing, achieved no Great Learning. I told my confessor, my contemporary, friend and therapist months ago that perhaps this new burden is my purpose. He "hmmm"''d his best hmmm.

In the midst of my angst and anxiety (brief tho fierce) yesterday, I remembered that. And now today I read the teaching of Ra and it makes sense.

If you've read this far, good for you - if it means nothing to you, perhaps you're right. Regardless, herewith I cast it out upon the ocean of Consciousness. Perhaps I myself will find it on a distant shore someday and remember.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I sometimes hesitate to share, as though if there are too many oberservers, the thing I treasure will vanish like a soap bubble. Like it's something I can only see from the corner of my eye and if I look directly at it, it will go away.

But I cast these out as messages in bottles to be found by the rare one who even cares. Perhaps, then again, many observers may be a good thing - to burn away the sludge and to help make it solid.

This one has to do with my personal reality (as if it could be otherwise!).

Everything points to love. Love points back, and the first node it reaches is service to others.

In the Ra materials, it is implied that this servant role is crucial to the likelihood of one's being able to advance to a "higher" state. And, it seems as though priority of reincarnation is given to those who wish to have one last chance to accumulate the necessary "points", for lack of a better word, in order to advance along with the imminent "harvest".

I've been feeling sorry for myself the past few days. Why, in my relatively advanced years, am I being asked to raise my boy all over again? He's doing very well, but besides living my own life, I have to pay some of his bills, keep track of the hard details of his comings and goings, make sure he fills out the right forms and goes to the right places at the right times, and sometimes he resists. As well, my lovely wife has needed me for such things for over 30 years.

Why can't I go back to sleep? Why won't they leave me alone? I'm no nurse...I cannot heal you! All I want to do is to to smoke a little weed, ride my iron steed, have a little sex, and die in my sleep!

But...in all the years of wandering, wondering...what have I been good for? What is my accomplishment? My purpose? I have done no Great Thing, achieved no Great Learning. I told my confessor, my contemporary, friend and therapist months ago that perhaps this new burden is my purpose. He "hmmm"''d his best hmmm.

In the midst of my angst and anxiety (brief tho fierce) yesterday, I remembered that. And now today I read the teaching of Ra and it makes sense.

If you've read this far, good for you - if it means nothing to you, perhaps you're right. Regardless, herewith I cast it out upon the ocean of Consciousness. Perhaps I myself will find it on a distant shore someday and remember.

Regarding the problem of raising adult children a second time, I find myself in the same position. My insides scream "leave me alone." My love keeps me going. I'm tired. I feel I can't move on.

However, I do think it is time to relinquish the 'servant role.' I also think in some way I am enabling their 'disability', if you know what I mean. I mean their ability to be independant, in my children's case emotionally independant.

I believe this 'burden' is self created and may be the purpose is to see the consequences of our behaviour, or our way of being, through them. In other words to know self. I think that is what RA advocates and it is just a matter of 'how' we come to know self.

It seems the most uncomfortable experiences bring the most awareness of self. The truth is we don't look otherwise.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I sometimes hesitate to share, as though if there are too many oberservers, the thing I treasure will vanish like a soap bubble. Like it's something I can only see from the corner of my eye and if I look directly at it, it will go away.
...

FT, I can relate to much of what you have said. I used to look back on my life, thinking I could have done better – become a doctor, lawyer, writer, famous musician, or whatever. It never happened. I ended up working to support my family in an ordinary job and that’s about it.

No matter what happens in life, I seem to have to go through the same process of moving from non-acceptance to acceptance. So, it seems life has given me a test of how well I can accept that I didn’t achieve the success I used to dream of.

From what I have read on this forum and elsewhere over the last year or so, the best thing is to accept whatever situation we are currently in. If we can do that, then things will change for the better.

If I am not accepting something which appears external, it means I am really not accepting something about myself. Once I have accepted/understood the issue about myself, then the external manifestation of that issue must then evaporate and cease to be a problem.

Currently, I am using a method of approaching any up-and-coming event (even if I feel some fear or anxiety about it) of welcoming it in a, what may seem, ridiculous, exaggerated fashion, ‘Yes, yes, this is wonderful. Thank you God/Higher Self for giving me this brilliant opportunity to advance spiritually. It’s just what I wanted. Thank you sooooooo much for this wonderful gift!’.

I am at last beginning to accept that whatever happens ‘externally’ is the exact prescription I need to take, in order to cure the inner problem.

Best wishes.

[raphnix]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I sometimes hesitate to share, as though if there are too many oberservers, the thing I treasure will vanish like a soap bubble. Like it's something I can only see from the corner of my eye and if I look directly at it, it will go away.

But I cast these out as messages in bottles to be found by the rare one who even cares. Perhaps, then again, many observers may be a good thing - to burn away the sludge and to help make it solid.

This one has to do with my personal reality (as if it could be otherwise!).

Everything points to love. Love points back, and the first node it reaches is service to others.

In the Ra materials, it is implied that this servant role is crucial to the likelihood of one's being able to advance to a "higher" state. And, it seems as though priority of reincarnation is given to those who wish to have one last chance to accumulate the necessary "points", for lack of a better word, in order to advance along with the imminent "harvest".

I've been feeling sorry for myself the past few days. Why, in my relatively advanced years, am I being asked to raise my boy all over again? He's doing very well, but besides living my own life, I have to pay some of his bills, keep track of the hard details of his comings and goings, make sure he fills out the right forms and goes to the right places at the right times, and sometimes he resists. As well, my lovely wife has needed me for such things for over 30 years.

Why can't I go back to sleep? Why won't they leave me alone? I'm no nurse...I cannot heal you! All I want to do is to to smoke a little weed, ride my iron steed, have a little sex, and die in my sleep!

But...in all the years of wandering, wondering...what have I been good for? What is my accomplishment? My purpose? I have done no Great Thing, achieved no Great Learning. I told my confessor, my contemporary, friend and therapist months ago that perhaps this new burden is my purpose. He "hmmm"''d his best hmmm.

In the midst of my angst and anxiety (brief tho fierce) yesterday, I remembered that. And now today I read the teaching of Ra and it makes sense.

If you've read this far, good for you - if it means nothing to you, perhaps you're right. Regardless, herewith I cast it out upon the ocean of Consciousness. Perhaps I myself will find it on a distant shore someday and remember.

Though you thought is quite unfixed, I like the Idea of expressing out your concepts and principles in this way. Sometimes you might work it out and have it organized not only to inform others but also to persuade them of your ideals.

Good luck.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Regarding the problem of raising adult children a second time, I find myself in the same position. My insides scream "leave me alone." My love keeps me going. I'm tired. I feel I can't move on.

However, I do think it is time to relinquish the 'servant role.' I also think in some way I am enabling their 'disability', if you know what I mean. I mean their ability to be independant, in my children's case emotionally independant.

I believe this 'burden' is self created and may be the purpose is to see the consequences of our behaviour, or our way of being, through them. In other words to know self. I think that is what RA advocates and it is just a matter of 'how' we come to know self.

It seems the most uncomfortable experiences bring the most awareness of self. The truth is we don't look otherwise.

If nothing else it's good to know one is not alone. In spades.

I definitely see the connection between my own health and the boy's, as I've written elsewhere. The better I get, so does he, it appears.

Regarding the role of servant: I've really never consciously served anyone but myself (and that poorly). Yeah, I did the breadwinner thing but it was from a sense of responsibility, not love really. Maybe I don't give myself enough credit in that - plenty of fathers take off when the going gets tough, but perhaps they started at a different place. It's all relative, this learning thing.

Too, it's not clear where an illness ends and personal responsibility takes over. The psychologist and I are trying to puzzle out where that line might be. We have a fortunate feedback loop, the three of us. Bottom line is, if I don't do the work, the meds don't get ordered, the taxes don't get filed, etc.

Oh yeah, it's the uncomfortable experiences for sure that get us going, and for that I'm thankful.

Thanks for your response and good luck on your own path.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Cantando

FT, I can relate to much of what you have said. I used to look back on my life, thinking I could have done better – become a doctor, lawyer, writer, famous musician, or whatever. It never happened. I ended up working to support my family in an ordinary job and that’s about it.

You ever feel like a Porsche with a Dodge slant six engine? Reliable as hell, but not performing as best you could be? I think it was bad fuel, lol.

But the world needs that dude in the warehouse as much as it needs Deepak Chopra.

From what I have read on this forum and elsewhere over the last year or so,

Umm, did this start in earnest for you a year ago? Did for me. I wonder if something's afoot.

Currently, I am using a method of approaching any up-and-coming event (even if I feel some fear or anxiety about it) of welcoming it in a, what may seem, ridiculous, exaggerated fashion, ‘Yes, yes, this is wonderful. Thank you God/Higher Self for giving me this brilliant opportunity to advance spiritually. It’s just what I wanted. Thank you sooooooo much for this wonderful gift!’.

That's a good tactic I guess, although I wonder in a LOA sense if it's inviting bad things. Probably not. I've got a relatively high risk-taking factor in some ways - it's what makes me do 65 on a back road on the way to work with many deer in the area, LOL. Sometimes I'm saying to the world, "bring it on, motherf*cker!" But that's more out of anger and defiance. your way is better.

I am at last beginning to accept that whatever happens ‘externally’ is the exact prescription I need to take, in order to cure the inner problem.
Best wishes.

True dat. Some say it's a plan we laid out ourselves before we were born. Either way one can take a lesson from almost anyhting.

Thanks and good luck.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by raphnix

Though you thought is quite unfixed,.

Heh...I hope to have it fixed someday.

I like the Idea of expressing out your concepts and principles in this way. Sometimes you might work it out and have it organized not only to inform others but also to persuade them of your ideals.

I'd like to do more teaching, although many people resent it. It may someday become organized thought.

I have no interest, however, in persuading. The only reason I can think of to do that would be for gain - I could easily throw together a book, start a religion, and make money from it but I'm not interested in that.

Thanks.

[fellowtraveler]

Seems I always run across what I need.

From the Michael teachings, just found this today (tip o' the hat to aKarma who directed me there a while back):

ESSENCE BOREDOM

The essence becomes bored when there is little growth occurring. If there is little growth occurring, it is because there is something stuck. Sometimes the essence will generate a traumatic event to jar the personality loose, because that is the only way to get through.

Your essence is neutral about how you grow, but it feels much better to grow through joy than through pain. It is only because people insist on growing through pain that this is the predominant way of growing at this time on earth.

Ultimately, there is no stopping growth. To make an analogy, if a four year-old decides that he no longer wants to grow physically, he can wear very tight clothing and never take it off. After a while, he will start ripping it and bursting buttons, and will find it difficult to move, but he will still grow.

Should sound familiar to many of us...

[torilink]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I sometimes hesitate to share, as though if there are too many oberservers, the thing I treasure will vanish like a soap bubble. Like it's something I can only see from the corner of my eye and if I look directly at it, it will go away.

But I cast these out as messages in bottles to be found by the rare one who even cares. Perhaps, then again, many observers may be a good thing - to burn away the sludge and to help make it solid.

This one has to do with my personal reality (as if it could be otherwise!).

Everything points to love. Love points back, and the first node it reaches is service to others.

In the Ra materials, it is implied that this servant role is crucial to the likelihood of one's being able to advance to a "higher" state. And, it seems as though priority of reincarnation is given to those who wish to have one last chance to accumulate the necessary "points", for lack of a better word, in order to advance along with the imminent "harvest".

I've been feeling sorry for myself the past few days. Why, in my relatively advanced years, am I being asked to raise my boy all over again? He's doing very well, but besides living my own life, I have to pay some of his bills, keep track of the hard details of his comings and goings, make sure he fills out the right forms and goes to the right places at the right times, and sometimes he resists. As well, my lovely wife has needed me for such things for over 30 years.

Why can't I go back to sleep? Why won't they leave me alone? I'm no nurse...I cannot heal you! All I want to do is to to smoke a little weed, ride my iron steed, have a little sex, and die in my sleep!

But...in all the years of wandering, wondering...what have I been good for? What is my accomplishment? My purpose? I have done no Great Thing, achieved no Great Learning. I told my confessor, my contemporary, friend and therapist months ago that perhaps this new burden is my purpose. He "hmmm"''d his best hmmm.

In the midst of my angst and anxiety (brief tho fierce) yesterday, I remembered that. And now today I read the teaching of Ra and it makes sense.

If you've read this far, good for you - if it means nothing to you, perhaps you're right. Regardless, herewith I cast it out upon the ocean of Consciousness. Perhaps I myself will find it on a distant shore someday and remember.

hmmm...



well lets see - service to others: This is the idea you must add value. Steve's big on this one too. I don't agree. the concept of adding value & being of service is egoic in nature. Everything of the ego is based on fear. We add value & be of service so that we can EARN something for ourselves, out of fear we do not possess these qualities intrinsically. We feel we lack something and seek to gain it through altruistic pursuits.

And, please nobody respond about those who purely give to give crud - the ego is completely out for itself even when it deludes itself into believing its altruistic in its motives.

You cannot earn "Enlightenment". You don't move up a hierarchy of spirituality. There is no hierarchy. There is Love (acceptance) and there is fear (resistance). That's it.

If you are not controlled completely by egoic thought - you do not feel or see need. You SHARE because you see that all is one. You don't need to save the world because you see it doesn't require saving.

but you don't do it to gain anything internal or external, and you don't do it to feel complete.

there is nothing to be accomplished.

that's my .02

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

hmmm...



well lets see - service to others: This is the idea you must add value. Steve's big on this one too. I don't agree. the concept of adding value & being of service is egoic in nature. Everything of the ego is based on fear. We add value & be of service so that we can EARN something for ourselves, out of fear we do not possess these qualities intrinsically. We feel we lack something and seek to gain it through altruistic pursuits.

And, please nobody respond about those who purely give to give crud - the ego is completely out for itself even when it deludes itself into believing its altruistic in its motives.

You cannot earn "Enlightenment". You don't move up a hierarchy of spirituality. There is no hierarchy. There is Love (acceptance) and there is fear (resistance). That's it.

If you are not controlled completely by egoic thought - you do not feel or see need. You SHARE because you see that all is one. You don't need to save the world because you see it doesn't require saving.

but you don't do it to gain anything internal or external, and you don't do it to feel complete.

there is nothing to be accomplished.

that's my .02

LOL. Thanks, I'll take it. As I often compulsively say, I have no desire to convince nor purposely teach, but I do welcome every viewpoint because there's always a useful tidbit in there, even if it's only .02!

[torilink]

i didn't mean to be all in your face or argumentative, hope i didn't come across that way.

sometimes we all love to feel less than or that we haven't done enough or aren't enough - but its just the ego up to its old tricks again to keep us from remembering who/what we truly are, complete.

[Liveformx64]

Purpose is the obligation of a clear mind.

[torilink]

purpose is an egoic concept.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

i didn't mean to be all in your face or argumentative, hope i didn't come across that way.

Absolutely not. I disagree with you, but you expressed it the best way you know how, I'm sure.

sometimes we all love to feel less than or that we haven't done enough or aren't enough - but its just the ego up to its old tricks again to keep us from remembering who/what we truly are, complete.

I believe the (one) purpose of life is the experience itself. If I believe I'm already totally perfect and complete, game over (for me). Like I said, I'm enjoying the Cosmic Joke more every day.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

purpose is an egoic concept.

LOL...ya kind of need an ego to function, don't you? Otherwise you'll go "poof" like Enoch, and then you won't be able to post in here any more!



"Whoo let the dogma out, woof, woof..."

[torilink]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

LOL...ya kind of need an ego to function, don't you? Otherwise you'll go "poof" like Enoch, and then you won't be able to post in here any more!



"Whoo let the dogma out, woof, woof..."

you do need an ego to function in this reality - it doesn't necessarily mean it should control everything all the time. I believe I need sufficient ego to retain the illusion but not so much that if forms my entire reality.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Absolutely not. I disagree with you, but you expressed it the best way you know how, I'm sure.

and I'm sure that wasn't a bit condescending

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I believe the (one) purpose of life is the experience itself. If I believe I'm already totally perfect and complete, game over (for me). Like I said, I'm enjoying the Cosmic Joke more every day.

I also believe experience is the only "Purpose" if you need to call it that.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

you do need an ego to function in this reality - it doesn't necessarily mean it should control everything all the time. I believe I need sufficient ego to retain the illusion but not so much that if forms my entire reality.

Agreed!

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

and I'm sure that wasn't a bit condescending

Wow. Wasn't meant to be, actually...but the above seems so.

Keep posting, I need to head out soon.

Have you tried the Michael Teaching yet? Some interesting theories of personality there. See if you can figure out your "soul age". It's fun.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Wow. Wasn't meant to be, actually...but the above seems so.

Keep posting, I need to head out soon.

Have you tried the Michael Teaching yet? Some interesting theories of personality there. See if you can figure out your "soul age". It's fun.

I haven't - I'll google it and check it out.

actually I have to head out to pick my kids up - but I'll be back later this evening.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by torilink

hmmm...



well lets see - service to others: This is the idea you must add value. Steve's big on this one too. I don't agree. the concept of adding value & being of service is egoic in nature. Everything of the ego is based on fear. We add value & be of service so that we can EARN something for ourselves, out of fear we do not possess these qualities intrinsically. We feel we lack something and seek to gain it through altruistic pursuits.

And, please nobody respond about those who purely give to give crud - the ego is completely out for itself even when it deludes itself into believing its altruistic in its motives.

You cannot earn "Enlightenment". You don't move up a hierarchy of spirituality. There is no hierarchy. There is Love (acceptance) and there is fear (resistance). That's it.

If you are not controlled completely by egoic thought - you do not feel or see need. You SHARE because you see that all is one. You don't need to save the world because you see it doesn't require saving.

but you don't do it to gain anything internal or external, and you don't do it to feel complete.

there is nothing to be accomplished.

that's my .02

I wonder what it is your ego is saying here?

[Liveformx64]

Originally Posted by torilink

hmmm...
You cannot earn "Enlightenment". You don't move up a hierarchy of spirituality. There is no hierarchy. There is Love (acceptance) and there is fear (resistance). That's it.

If you are not controlled completely by egoic thought - you do not feel or see need. You SHARE because you see that all is one. You don't need to save the world because you see it doesn't require saving.
that's my .02

If all is One, and the world doesn't require saving, then what is the point of sharing at all?

[stellasky]

Yeah, I did the breadwinner thing but it was from a sense of responsibility, not love really. Maybe I don't give myself enough credit in that - plenty of fathers take off when the going gets tough, but perhaps they started at a different place. It's all relative, this learning thing.

Being responsible is an admirable trait, you could give yourself some credit there. Resigning to one's responsibility however, when it goes against the self is cause for exploring that root to find clarity. And, perhaps you'll find responsibility is a kind of love, if not love itself.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I wonder what it is your ego is saying here?

you doth presume too much....

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Liveformx64

If all is One, and the world doesn't require saving, then what is the point of sharing at all?

i can only give to myself - that is the point. Likewise, I can only take from myself. I can only save myself, and what I am doesn't need saving.

taking is how I suffer loss
giving is how I receive &
sharing leads me to oneness

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Liveformx64

If all is One, and the world doesn't require saving, then what is the point of sharing at all?

So many in here from PA. Must be a vortex of some sort...

Anyhow, I just read somewhere that sending love to most is the way, but in some cases you may as well send a bucket of warm vomit.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by stellasky

Being responsible is an admirable trait, you could give yourself some credit there. Resigning to one's responsibility however, when it goes against the self is cause for exploring that root to find clarity. And, perhaps you'll find responsibility is a kind of love, if not love itself.

Nicely put, thanks. I guess in my most unaware periods, at least the responsibility helped balance out the selfishness in a way.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by torilink

i can only give to myself - that is the point. Likewise, I can only take from myself. I can only save myself, and what I am doesn't need saving.

taking is how I suffer loss
giving is how I receive &
sharing leads me to oneness

As one of my favorite philosophers said, then: "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." OK. Yes.

But I guess I'm what the smart people call obtuse (back in Bug Tussle we called it "stupid"). All is one...we are One...you gimme an apple you are giving it to you...you serve me, you are serving you...so what's the problem?

[judgement]Starting to sound like a way to avoid service to others, to me.[/judgement]

Either that or you really don't think the rest of us exist a'tall. Distressing thought, that. Mother will be so disappointed to hear it...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by torilink

actually I have to head out to pick my kids up

That was a tremendously funny and ironic comment, given the general direction of your other posts in this thread.

I wonder whether you will tell your kids, "I'm picking you up today, only because I was temporarily overcome by my egoic impulses. On other days, you'll have to find your own way home - I don't provide any services to others, I add no value and there is nothing for me to accomplish."

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

As one of my favorite philosophers said, then: "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." OK. Yes.

But I guess I'm what the smart people call obtuse (back in Bug Tussle we called it "stupid"). All is one...we are One...you gimme an apple you are giving it to you...you serve me, you are serving you...so what's the problem?

[judgement]Starting to sound like a way to avoid service to others, to me.[/judgement]

Either that or you really don't think the rest of us exist a'tall. Distressing thought, that. Mother will be so disappointed to hear it...

Serving self and serving others are actually the same in the higher scheme of things. To serve the self is to serve all, and to serve all, is to serve the self. We are ONE, after all.

Now, having said that, if you serve self OR others out of a sense of FEAR or HATE which are really 2 sides of the same coin, you are not resolving any distortions in consciousness, and are on the path of SEPARATION.

Fear is lack consciousness, and love is abundance consciousness. If you love self, but do not love others, you limit yourself. If you love others, but do not love self, you are ALSO limiting yourself. Love is not just an emotion that humans sometimes feel. It is quite literally, the infinite intelligent ordering principle and underlying uniting metaphysical force of the universe and existence itself!

Fear SEPARATES, and inspires the concept of "elite" and the concept of the necessity of "control". You only have to control what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand. And what you DO understand is familiar, so you like it better than the stuff you don't understand. So you exalt one portion of reality, and alienate the other portion. This is the thought system of our egos, of separation. In the mystery clad unity of creation, all things are in actuality equal, and filled with divine love.

Originally Posted by torilink

well lets see - service to others: This is the idea you must add value. Steve's big on this one too. I don't agree. the concept of adding value & being of service is egoic in nature. Everything of the ego is based on fear. We add value & be of service so that we can EARN something for ourselves, out of fear we do not possess these qualities intrinsically. We feel we lack something and seek to gain it through altruistic pursuits.

And, please nobody respond about those who purely give to give crud - the ego is completely out for itself even when it deludes itself into believing its altruistic in its motives.

You cannot earn "Enlightenment". You don't move up a hierarchy of spirituality. There is no hierarchy. There is Love (acceptance) and there is fear (resistance). That's it.

I don't think service to others is about adding value. Perhaps some people see it that way. I'm not one of them, but I tend think its more of a natural behavior the more distortions we resolve in our consciousness. We start to exhibit behavior that is more in line with the true nature of reality -- the oneness. Things equalize. Serving others becomes as natural as serving self, because, truly, they are the same.

I agree that there is love/acceptance and fear/resistance, but you make it sound like its completely binary. Perhaps you didn't intend to. I think all of us are somewhere on the continuum between love and fear. So there are degrees to them. Obviously none of us have totally conquered resistance or we wouldn't be having this conversation about it! I think we can all agree on that.

Originally Posted by torilink

If you are not controlled completely by egoic thought - you do not feel or see need. You SHARE because you see that all is one. You don't need to save the world because you see it doesn't require saving.

but you don't do it to gain anything internal or external, and you don't do it to feel complete.

there is nothing to be accomplished.

that's my .02

Speaking from the perspective of time being an illusion, I agree with this 100%. We don't serve others to feel complete, we serve the MORE we are complete, because it is more natural to do so in an ultimate sense.

This is the part where I insert a random inspirational Ra quote:

Ta DA

I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define the infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.