Last night

[fellowtraveler]

Every night before I go to sleep I have been asking for guidance and wisdom...at this stage, I need to do that since I'm not quite to the point of simply letting it happen.

I never remember my dreams any more, haven't for years although fragments are beginning to surface occasionally.

This morning as I awoke, these words were in my head:

"Once you find something in life that has meaning, it becomes evident that everything has to have meaning. And after that, there's no turning back."

Don't know if that's me puzzling things out, or the Great Kahuna giving me a clue, or what. But I did think it was kind of beautiful in its simplicity. Take it for what you will, just seemed something I should share.

[Ecce Homo]

Nice. It's been my observation that we always find what we're really looking for, so when I looked for meaning, I found it! Thanks for sharing FT!

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

"Once you find something in life that has meaning, it becomes evident that everything has to have meaning. And after that, there's no turning back."

I would like to find something that has meaning. How would this apply in reality?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I would like to find something that has meaning. How would this apply in reality?

Good question. It does apply in my reality. For yours, I cannot say. I only posted it because someone else might find it interesting, or perhaps even useful. If it means nothing to you, that's OK too.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Good question. It does apply in my reality. For yours, I cannot say. I only posted it because someone else might find it interesting, or perhaps even useful. If it means nothing to you, that's OK too.

"Once you find something in life that has meaning, it becomes evident that everything has to have meaning. And after that, there's no turning back."

I didn't mean this doesn't mean anything. I think it is entirely possible to find one meaningful aspect of life that would open the door to everything having meaning. It would be awesome.
What I was asking was 'how' does this apply in your reality?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I didn't mean this doesn't mean anything. I think it is entirely possible to find one meaningful aspect of life that would open the door to everything having meaning. It would be awesome.
What I was asking was 'how' does this apply in your reality?

Only speaking for myself, myself being who the message was originally meant for, it means (on one level), that now that I have verified (with my own intellect and intuition and whatever else available to me) that some things indicate that reality is more than I can readily see with my 5 physical senses, it follows that all other things, events, people, etc. also are a part of this expanded reality. And the second part of that "revelation", to me, means that now that I have that knowledge, I can never go back to sleep and ignore what I have decided is true.

Words fail, as often demonstrated on these very pages. Sorry if I can't explain it well enough...I'm not as smart as a lot of people...

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Only speaking for myself, myself being who the message was originally meant for, it means (on one level), that now that I have verified (with my own intellect and intuition and whatever else available to me) that some things indicate that reality is more than I can readily see with my 5 physical senses, it follows that all other things, events, people, etc. also are a part of this expanded reality. And the second part of that "revelation", to me, means that now that I have that knowledge, I can never go back to sleep and ignore what I have decided is true.

Words fail, as often demonstrated on these very pages. Sorry if I can't explain it well enough...I'm not as smart as a lot of people...

Thankyou, I think I understand you to mean the 'meaningful aspect of life' to be that 'there is more to it' than meets the eye. The aspect being more of a 'portal' which indicates an expanded reality. Is that what you mean?
I guess I am personally looking for something meaningful that is more tangible.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

Nice. It's been my observation that we always find what we're really looking for, so when I looked for meaning, I found it! Thanks for sharing FT!

Or maybe we see just what we wish to see. I haven't found what I am looking for so how do you do it?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Thankyou, I think I understand you to mean the 'meaningful aspect of life' to be that 'there is more to it' than meets the eye. The aspect being more of a 'portal' which indicates an expanded reality. Is that what you mean?
I guess I am personally looking for something meaningful that is more tangible.

After thinking about it yesterday, I figgered I hadn't really given you what you wanted, so here's a try. I've posted about this before, so sorry if it's redundant.

I've had synchronitities all my life, but just passed them off as coincidences or sometimes as things that were "out there" but unexplainable.

Almost exactly a year ago, I was having anxiety problems handling my son's illness, so I went to a psychologist who I'd known years ago. He's extremely intuitive himself and saw that there was a large hole in my soul (not his term). Knowing that I am relatively intelligent, he directed me to independently research the zero point field - that's it. I began reading voraciously, and due to the nature of the internet, one thing led to another and another, etc. The Library at Halexandria was the first most intriguing source, btw.

So, I began looking for synchronicities. There were a few that were...maybe, maybe not. So, i just said to myself, "self, I'd really like a clincher...something that, for me, will show me that I'm on the right track because I don't want to waste my time."

One day we were in my wife's Jeep - I was driving. I parked, and for whatever reason glanced at the odometer. It read 176176. Hmmm, kind of a cool pattern of numbers but meant nothing to me. Then I had a thought - I told my wife to play 176 in the daily lottery drawing that day - day drawing or night, whichever. We almost never fool with the lottery, btw. She happened to stop at a store later that day, and played 176. That night I checked, and almost peed myself when 176 turned out to be the winning number.

Now, I'm no numbers guy, and I'm sure a statistician or Richard Dawkins would make mincemeat of me. But, I know what I saw. I don't care what the odds are - this was proof enough to me that there's something "out there". I had asked for proof, and short of a giant talking Screaming Yellow Zonker appearing in my living room, this was just about as solid a clue as I could ask for (which I had). My shrink friend was impressed and asked me what it meant - I said the money was trivial no matter what the amount, but that it had shown me that there are indeed invisible connections, and that I intended to be more "mindful" in my daily affairs to see what else I can discover.

Since then I have had many, more subtle (mostly) synchronicities that would have meaning only for me, but in that context they are very powerful and comforting. Everything from a screech owl calling when I asked him to, to ears of dried corn showing up in my path when I was worried about being provided for, to the 11:11's showing up at significant points in time.

True, being "mindful" means that I'm actively looking for stuff, and it could be argued that that's why I'm seeing them...but to me that's ridiculous - how would you ever see subtle things unless you were looking for them? I can't expect the Universe to give me a winning lottery ticket every week just to make it easy on me. I now have extrapolated to the point that I feel we are here to learn lessons - all the theories about the mechanics of that process don't mean a lot to me, it's enough to "know" it's true and to try and discover what it is I have to learn. I also feel that we will get help when we truly need it, and are receptive to it and don't expect to be spoonfed.

I don't hear voices or go flying about in my dreams or see ghosts, but I think I am fairly "claircognizant" - even in school when I was able to appear to grasp a subject like math, it was usually a case of coming up with the right answers without being able to explain why. With an IQ in the 98th percentile, I barely graduated high school, and that was probably one of the reasons.

Bottom line: my tiny little revelation of the other morning seems like an encouragement to me to keep going with this. I am encouraged in this reality because: I have recently stopped a bad habit I had for years with no cravings whatsoever. I have begun acting on the empathy I have always held for those less fortunate than myself (always figgered someone else would take care of it); and, I have been more hesitant to step on an ant. Yeah, an ant...I have been known to slaughter a pig with a sledge hammer, and have been elbow-deep in deer guts a number of times. I'm not a vegetarian yet, but I now see their point in ethical terms.

I could go on, but that's enough. Sorry if it's too long and boring. I don't really like exposing myself too awful much because it's not my job to make anyone believe anything - I hate being preached at myself more than anything else. But hey, you asked...
Peace and love to you, whoever you are..

[JMan]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I could go on, but that's enough. Sorry if it's too long and boring. I don't really like exposing myself too awful much because it's not my job to make anyone believe anything - I hate being preached at myself more than anything else. But hey, you asked...
Peace and love to you, whoever you are..

Wow - I resonate with your reality. I've had several confirmations/experiences myself. Ha, one I think you'd appreciate. My father's career is in the timber industry and he's found a lot of deer sheds. I never have. One day on a hunt I was scaling a pretty steep ridge and was thinking about how many antlers my dad had found. I got jealous, and was asking, 'Why don't I ever find any?' when at that moment I lost my footing, slipped and fell face-first into my first found antler! Kind of funny. There's been plenty of other things with more meaning, but it seems they keep happening as sort of a reminder of the totality of existence. Weather, animals, visions, dreams. I'm glad I read your post.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by JMan

Wow - I resonate with your reality. I've had several confirmations/experiences myself. Ha, one I think you'd appreciate. My father's career is in the timber industry and he's found a lot of deer sheds. I never have. One day on a hunt I was scaling a pretty steep ridge and was thinking about how many antlers my dad had found. I got jealous, and was asking, 'Why don't I ever find any?' when at that moment I lost my footing, slipped and fell face-first into my first found antler! Kind of funny. There's been plenty of other things with more meaning, but it seems they keep happening as sort of a reminder of the totality of existence. Weather, animals, visions, dreams. I'm glad I read your post.

Resonatin' right back you, JMan. That's a good one and sooo obvious, sticking itself into your face like that, lol. I never found a shed, but I quit hunting years ago. Only one I know Pappy ever found was a set drilled and tied together on a thong - some bow hunter lost his rattler, heh. It hangs in my gun cabinet now, collecting dust with my guns, but I think of long-gone Pap every time I see it.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

After thinking about it yesterday, I figgered I hadn't really given you what you wanted, so here's a try. I've posted about this before, so sorry if it's redundant.

I've had synchronitities all my life, but just passed them off as coincidences or sometimes as things that were "out there" but unexplainable.

Almost exactly a year ago, I was having anxiety problems handling my son's illness, so I went to a psychologist who I'd known years ago. He's extremely intuitive himself and saw that there was a large hole in my soul (not his term). Knowing that I am relatively intelligent, he directed me to independently research the zero point field - that's it. I began reading voraciously, and due to the nature of the internet, one thing led to another and another, etc. The Library at Halexandria was the first most intriguing source, btw.

So, I began looking for synchronicities. There were a few that were...maybe, maybe not. So, i just said to myself, "self, I'd really like a clincher...something that, for me, will show me that I'm on the right track because I don't want to waste my time."

One day we were in my wife's Jeep - I was driving. I parked, and for whatever reason glanced at the odometer. It read 176176. Hmmm, kind of a cool pattern of numbers but meant nothing to me. Then I had a thought - I told my wife to play 176 in the daily lottery drawing that day - day drawing or night, whichever. We almost never fool with the lottery, btw. She happened to stop at a store later that day, and played 176. That night I checked, and almost peed myself when 176 turned out to be the winning number.

Now, I'm no numbers guy, and I'm sure a statistician or Richard Dawkins would make mincemeat of me. But, I know what I saw. I don't care what the odds are - this was proof enough to me that there's something "out there". I had asked for proof, and short of a giant talking Screaming Yellow Zonker appearing in my living room, this was just about as solid a clue as I could ask for (which I had). My shrink friend was impressed and asked me what it meant - I said the money was trivial no matter what the amount, but that it had shown me that there are indeed invisible connections, and that I intended to be more "mindful" in my daily affairs to see what else I can discover.

Since then I have had many, more subtle (mostly) synchronicities that would have meaning only for me, but in that context they are very powerful and comforting. Everything from a screech owl calling when I asked him to, to ears of dried corn showing up in my path when I was worried about being provided for, to the 11:11's showing up at significant points in time.

True, being "mindful" means that I'm actively looking for stuff, and it could be argued that that's why I'm seeing them...but to me that's ridiculous - how would you ever see subtle things unless you were looking for them? I can't expect the Universe to give me a winning lottery ticket every week just to make it easy on me. I now have extrapolated to the point that I feel we are here to learn lessons - all the theories about the mechanics of that process don't mean a lot to me, it's enough to "know" it's true and to try and discover what it is I have to learn. I also feel that we will get help when we truly need it, and are receptive to it and don't expect to be spoonfed.

I don't hear voices or go flying about in my dreams or see ghosts, but I think I am fairly "claircognizant" - even in school when I was able to appear to grasp a subject like math, it was usually a case of coming up with the right answers without being able to explain why. With an IQ in the 98th percentile, I barely graduated high school, and that was probably one of the reasons.

Bottom line: my tiny little revelation of the other morning seems like an encouragement to me to keep going with this. I am encouraged in this reality because: I have recently stopped a bad habit I had for years with no cravings whatsoever. I have begun acting on the empathy I have always held for those less fortunate than myself (always figgered someone else would take care of it); and, I have been more hesitant to step on an ant. Yeah, an ant...I have been known to slaughter a pig with a sledge hammer, and have been elbow-deep in deer guts a number of times. I'm not a vegetarian yet, but I now see their point in ethical terms.

I could go on, but that's enough. Sorry if it's too long and boring. I don't really like exposing myself too awful much because it's not my job to make anyone believe anything - I hate being preached at myself more than anything else. But hey, you asked...
Peace and love to you, whoever you are..

I am so pleased that you bothered to take the time to explain it to me. I do understand you now. I didn't before. Synchonicities hey? And introspection. Presence of mind. This is great.

I can whole heartedly agree with the reality of synchronicity. I also was a sceptic of this phenomena until it became too obvious to ignore.

I think it is a process by which we will learn that we ourselves are creating it.

When you asked for a sign, your energy was behind it. The sign came to you in a personal way as you said. Me? I got a pink hyacynth. Actually I got two. I don't ask for much and I'm new at this game too.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Or maybe we see just what we wish to see.

Bingo!

I haven't found what I am looking for so how do you do it?

Here's my experience:

When I looked for a religion to really believe in for the first time, I found one.
When I looked for reasons to leave that religion, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to believe there was a God, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to believe there was no God, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to be unhappy, cynical, pessimistic and depressed, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to be happy, trusting, optimistic, and grateful, I found them.

I could go on and be more specific, but you get the gist.

What are you looking for? I bet your life circumstances, whatever they are right now, will show you precisely what you’ve been *really* looking for.

Or not. Either way, it's all good!

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I could go on, but that's enough. Sorry if it's too long and boring. I don't really like exposing myself too awful much because it's not my job to make anyone believe anything - I hate being preached at myself more than anything else. But hey, you asked...
Peace and love to you, whoever you are..

FT: way cool man! Thank you for taking the time to share that. The universe is a magical place, isn't it?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

The universe is a magical place, isn't it?

Indeed.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

Bingo!



Here's my experience:

When I looked for a religion to really believe in for the first time, I found one.
When I looked for reasons to leave that religion, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to believe there was a God, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to believe there was no God, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to be unhappy, cynical, pessimistic and depressed, I found them.
When I looked for reasons to be happy, trusting, optimistic, and grateful, I found them.

I could go on and be more specific, but you get the gist.

What are you looking for? I bet your life circumstances, whatever they are right now, will show you precisely what you’ve been *really* looking for.

Or not. Either way, it's all good!

You have no idea how on the nose you are concerning my circumstances. I've searched far and wide as you have. I have moved from one side of the globe to another. A few weeks ago I moved 4000ks interstate. I have been looking for freedom. Freedom to be myself.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I have moved from one side of the globe to another. A few weeks ago I moved 4000ks interstate. I have been looking for freedom. Freedom to be myself.

Erm...and "wherever you go, there you are"?

Physically restless souls have always interested me. I tired of it quickly meself.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Erm...and "wherever you go, there you are"?

Physically restless souls have always interested me. I tired of it quickly meself.

It is simply the synchronicity of my inner and outer selves.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I have been looking for freedom. Freedom to be myself.

I take it you've found freedom then. It's great, right?

In my own case, inner freedom was the easiest thing to find since I never lost it in the first place. I found out that I was so free in fact that I could choose to pretend to be internally enslaved and trapped. We're such powerful creators, aren't we?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

I found out that I was so free in fact that I could choose to pretend to be internally enslaved and trapped. We're such powerful creators, aren't we?

It just makes me shake my head and laugh, what powerful creators we are, Ecce Homo! I am so delighted that you and I created each other!

Fellowtraveler, has anything else come up in your dreams since then? Have you requested clarification from your Dream Manager, or asked her to expound a little? Have you been getting other messages? (or maybe you're just giving yourself some room to roll around in this one for awhile?)

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

I take it you've found freedom then. It's great, right?

In my own case, inner freedom was the easiest thing to find since I never lost it in the first place. I found out that I was so free in fact that I could choose to pretend to be internally enslaved and trapped. We're such powerful creators, aren't we?

Yes, it's almost there but I don't see power, only transformation which is a natural phenomena. Maybe not losing it in the first place was your foundation. Maybe some never have it to lose and maybe for some it is buried so deep there is little hope of recovery?

Why would anyone want to pretend they are internally enslaved and trapped?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Angela

It just makes me shake my head and laugh, what powerful creators we are, Ecce Homo! I am so delighted that you and I created each other!

Fellowtraveler, has anything else come up in your dreams since then? Have you requested clarification from your Dream Manager, or asked her to expound a little? Have you been getting other messages? (or maybe you're just giving yourself some room to roll around in this one for awhile?)

Where on earth does 'we created each other' come from? Surely intention must precede creation?
Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Where on earth does 'we created each other' come from? Surely intention must precede creation?
Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?

Exactly.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Where on earth does 'we created each other' come from? Surely intention must precede creation?
Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?

Actually, there is something to the whole "creating each other thing". At least, in my opinion there is. But then, I don't really believe in creation. It seems that the word "creation" often engenders the idea of nothingness turning into or somehow becoming "something-ness". So being the picky person that I am, I prefer the word "manifestation". In that respect, I can say all beings you manifest in your experience are also manifesting you in their experience. Each part contributes to the whole reality. But all the parts existed already, we just draw them into our relative consciousness.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Actually, there is something to the whole "creating each other thing". At least, in my opinion there is. But then, I don't really believe in creation. It seems that the word "creation" often engenders the idea of nothingness turning into or somehow becoming "something-ness". So being the picky person that I am, I prefer the word "manifestation". In that respect, I can say all beings you manifest in your experience are also manifesting you in their experience. Each part contributes to the whole reality. But all the parts existed already, we just draw them into our relative consciousness.

I take it we all chose to join this forum in order to communicate with others. Isn't the statement 'manifesting all beings in your experience' simply a metaphor for 'contacting or meeting people'? I see no difference apart from the implications.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Maguru
Where on earth does 'we created each other' come from? Surely intention must precede creation?
Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?

Originally Posted by Angela

Exactly.

There you go again, unaware you haven't answered my questions. I count 3.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

There you go again, unaware you haven't answered my questions. I count 3.

No? You asked, "Surely intention must precede creation?" and "Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?" and I answered, "Exactly!" (that means: "yes, exactly so, your proposed answer to your question is right, intention precedes creation and "we created each other" comes from a higher level where dream managers live.")

Was that really so hard to get?

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Angela

I am so delighted that you and I created each other!

No more delighted than I am Angel girl! Where are those smileys that blow kisses when you need them?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

No more delighted than I am Angel girl! Where are those smileys that blow kisses when you need them?

You just created one for me. Thanks!

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Maybe some never have it to lose and maybe for some it is buried so deep there is little hope of recovery?

Could be. I know in my case, freedom turned out to be more of an existential fact than a state of mind. When I said I never lost it, I was speaking metaphorically. As it turned out, I was always free. I was just too busy focusing on the tales of woe and angst that I was telling myself to notice.

Why would anyone want to pretend they are internally enslaved and trapped?

The same reason we watch movies and sports programs: it's excellent drama!