Last night

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I take it we all chose to join this forum in order to communicate with others. Isn't the statement 'manifesting all beings in your experience' simply a metaphor for 'contacting or meeting people'? I see no difference apart from the implications.

Aren't the implications where the insight is to be found?

I was attempting to the illustrate the idea that all experiences are a joint creation. When you manifest something, it can only occur because the "manifestation" manifested YOU too! At first, one wonders how this is possible, especially considering the perception that some things that come into your experience seem to be "inanimate". But in reality, the whole of creation is conscious and alive, and there is no reality that does not exist. So no matter what you attract, there was something out there in the vast collective mind that matched your intentions. The lion manifested the gazelle, and the gazelle manifested the lion. One was hungry, the other was afraid, so the realities matched enough for a mutual experience to occur.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Aren't the implications where the insight is to be found?

I was attempting to the illustrate the idea that all experiences are a joint creation. When you manifest something, it can only occur because the "manifestation" manifested YOU too! At first, one wonders how this is possible, especially considering the perception that some things that come into your experience seem to be "inanimate". But in reality, the whole of creation is conscious and alive, and there is no reality that does not exist. So no matter what you attract, there was something out there in the vast collective mind that matched your intentions. The lion manifested the gazelle, and the gazelle manifested the lion. One was hungry, the other was afraid, so the realities matched enough for a mutual experience to occur.

Our experiences on this forum are connected through collective choice but what has been created?
The only creations I see manifested are relationships. I know we have created those. No dispute on that score but what else has actually been created that wasn't there before?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Angela

Fellowtraveler, has anything else come up in your dreams since then? Have you requested clarification from your Dream Manager, or asked her to expound a little? Have you been getting other messages? (or maybe you're just giving yourself some room to roll around in this one for awhile?)

Well, that one was a big ol' gift - I don't expect or need one every day of that type, although of course each day holds new lessons if i'm mindful.

As to this one...after a bit of mulling, the meaning is self-evident, for me. If all is one, then if one thing has meaning, all has meaning. There is no going to church Sunday and forgetting about it on Monday, so to speak. And once I know that, I can never ignore it again. Very simple, really.

Now that I'm opening up at an increased pace, I may be getting messages/lessons for others - I'm not sure. I'm quite intuitive
(usually to my detriment in a way) but never imagined I'd be "psychic". But I think I'll post about that over in the psychic folder. Stay tuned.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Angela

No? You asked, "Surely intention must precede creation?" and "Maybe it's from a higher level where dream managers live?" and I answered, "Exactly!" (that means: "yes, exactly so, your proposed answer to your question is right, intention precedes creation and "we created each other" comes from a higher level where dream managers live.")

Was that really so hard to get?

Consciousness precedes intention and therefore if intention precedes creation and manifests in the form of Ecce Homo, when, where, how and why did you intend to create Ecce homo?

How you came up with the theory that you and he created each other is beyond me. I see no connection between the reality of your relationship with him on this forum and a different relationship with him in another place for which there is no supporing evidence. Not even a memory.

I guess I will never understand you, Angela. My perception of you is that you are not a human being but from another galaxy.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Me? I got a pink hyacynth. Actually I got two. I don't ask for much and I'm new at this game too.

That's lovely - I would have settled for a pink hyacinth too, but being rather dense I guess it had to be a numbers thing for me, where there could be no misunderstanding it.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

My perception of you is that you are not a human being but from another galaxy.

I come from where the dream managers live.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Angela

I come from where the dream managers live.

Thought so. I can never tell if you are speaking metaphorically or literally and either way I don't get you half the time. Funny thing is seeing this with you I realize I do the same. Ha ha ha.

We need a new language to explain 'whatever spirituality' we are experiencing. Having said that, the level of commitment to communicate through only the written word on this forum is fantastic. I think our efforts are being transferred into a bigger picture and maybe governments will follow suit.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

That's lovely - I would have settled for a pink hyacinth too, but being rather dense I guess it had to be a numbers thing for me, where there could be no misunderstanding it.

The really amazing thing to me was that my focus and energy had been on Pink, the rock-goddess and also the perfume of a hyacinth. Love for both without intention but so unique to me personally.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Thought so. I can never tell if you are speaking metaphorically or literally and either way I don't get you half the time. Funny thing is seeing this with you I realize I do the same. Ha ha ha.

I thought that might be so... I will make a point of being more clear about that going forward. Although sometimes you gotta realize there's an overlap between my being literal and poetical. Thank you for understanding that.

And I agree with you about a new language of spirituality. In fact, just that word, "spirituality" is kind of funny.... you know, I feel "spiritual" in a way but I think people hear that word in so many different ways it's almost like we are speaking different languages.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Angela

I thought that might be so... I will make a point of being more clear about that going forward. Although sometimes you gotta realize there's an overlap between my being literal and poetical. Thank you for understanding that.

Touche, my friend. Shall we take a bow?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Touche, my friend. Shall we take a bow?

I'm with you! {{bows low}}