The Warrior's Predicament

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by aKarma

O you Torch of Ignorance!

We have crossed paths before, but it appears that the fetters in your mind are too tightly established. Reason has veiled your mind. You fail to see beyond your rational thought. You fail to feel.

We are here to help you, to free you from your material bondage. You do not realize that you have been chained to matter. You have fallen from the ethereal heavens into the abyss of darkness. You are unaware of your true eternal nature - you are only aware of your books, and your science, and your human laws.

But fear not, for these veils will be lifted when the Time is Right! You will be forgiven by the All Merciful, the High and Divine, the True Self!

O you Torch of Old Ways of Thinking!

You also are stuck in bondage of a system that proclaims matter to be some sort of evilness. And expunging hierarchy that is as old as the Tower of Babel. To be one of the forgiven is to be done by self unto ye. As our chains of matter glow in spirit regardless, least our life does not exist. Call us to your methods and long time frames to doom us and leave little hope expect for future forgiveness when the time is right from some external source that is not even a true self. For the true self is right under your noseth, high and divine as we are right now. even with the veil of our choosing. Proclaim transcendent effortful unreachable glory to wet our appetite and temp us into folly to trap us further - is that your wish?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Revolution

*--- The Warrior's Predicament ---*

So, you know the deal - your a warrior and everyone hates you right?

You wonder why you can't get along with the average man... you wonder why after all the years of effort in self-improvement... nothing has changed - in fact you gain less respect now from others than you ever did ... has this happend to you?

If so, I want to tell you someting - the average (normal) man is a BLACK MAGICIAN. Yes, thats right you heard me correctly.

Perhaps not black magicians in the way you would normally think of it - but in a sense that is exactly what they are because they will try to force you into accepting their limited views on life and their unhealthy and unspiritual live-styles.

So, why would they do this? Here: let me explain...

Not satisfied with their own miserable lack-of-connection-to-spirit lives they can only find solace in their selfishness. But of course the average person doesn't want you to KNOW that they are selfish., they PRETEND to be loving, kind and generous. But underneath they are self-serving and shallow...

Now, when YOU come along, INSTANTLY they see the joy and light in your eyes and STRAIGHT AWAY they are jealous and ANGRY. [Why don't THEY have any happiness and what makes YOU so special is their immediate concern.]

...You must understand that the average (normal) person - (a percentage that you don't want to even imagine!!!) is coming from SEPARATION CONSCIOUSNESS. Therefore, according to his/her mindset there is not enough to go around and EVERYTHING must be competed for. Thus, they think that a happy successfull person is a bad thing for them and a person in pain and suffering is a good thing for them.

The other problem is that (especially as they get to know you) they will start to feel insecure. Because they will see how intelligent and aware you are and they will see this as a threat. [They don't want you to see through them and reveal them for their ugly and selfish natures.] So naturally they will try to cut you down.
Also, the more they see your original hobbies and interests and you refusal to accept the social norm the more infuriated (and jealous) they will become.
They are jealous because they themselves are gutless cowards - hiding in their pretty masks - unable and unwilling to do anything but follow the herd mentality. Deep down they wonder if theres something more to life but they just don't posess the courage or the know-how to act in any other way.

The more they get to know you - the more dangerous it gets --- They will try EVERY trick in the book to bring you down. They might even try to KILL you. Make no mistake about it. [Look what happened to Jesus.]

So, on a positive note what can you do?

The main point of this post is what I am about to tell you here:

YOU MUST LIVE ALONE OR WITH OTHER WARRIORS.

Yes, anything less is asking for it. The longer you let it linger - the greater the danger. So put your skates on and surround yourself with the light - if you haven't already done so.

Peace

These other warriors are a reflection of you - so to judge them is to judge yourself. And to recognize them as not you is a denial.

It's all God playing with roles that people made up before incarnation. They are fulfilling God's desire to experience everything possible.

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It's all God playing with roles that people made up before incarnation. They are fulfilling God's desire to experience everything possible.

Oh good...some clarity (as to stance) at last from someone. Same wavelength and all that. I'll be paying more attention to your posts now for sure ('cept I can't deal with the 750-worders, but I scan pretty well).

Lucky you, eh?

[aKarma]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Words are cheap, my friend. Show me your wisdom. Show me your powers.

O Dear, O Dear, O Dear Maguru!

Why did you have to say those words? Shall you not think before you speak?

I urge you not to hold on to your rigid beliefs, you are already digging your own grave...with the utterance of those words you have setup a chain reaction in the spirit world...demons are now in your hunt...they profess to inflict you with painful diseases in your later ages, they profess to present you with their hyenic physical forms before they take you away...

We have put in a kind word for you and urged them to stop...you have been given from now till then to turn yourself around. Open your heart to Love, and you shall see Grace and Mercy.

Lo and Behold the Great One who expels Justice!

[Angela]

She ain't afraid o' no GHOST!

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by aKarma

O Dear, O Dear, O Dear Maguru!

Why did you have to say those words? Shall you not think before you speak?

I urge you not to hold on to your rigid beliefs, you are already digging your own grave...with the utterance of those words you have setup a chain reaction in the spirit world...demons are now in your hunt...they profess to inflict you with painful diseases in your later ages, they profess to present you with their hyenic physical forms before they take you away...

We have put in a kind word for you and urged them to stop...you have been given from now till then to turn yourself around. Open your heart to Love, and you shall see Grace and Mercy.

Lo and Behold the Great One who expels Justice!

The very devil himself ran from me. Like I said, words are cheap and worthless and there is no wisdom in these either. Watch these demons don't turn round and bite you in the bum. You are the one creating them, not I.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It's all God playing with roles that people made up before incarnation. They are fulfilling God's desire to experience everything possible.

If I am fulfilling god's desires then where is my free will? I certainly would not have chosen my experiences.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

If I am fulfilling god's desires then where is my free will?

Suppose you are God?

Originally Posted by Maguru

I certainly would not have chosen my experiences.

Hard to say, really. But I think you'll find out some day. That is, if you make it past those backside-biting demons and all that...

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Revolution

So, you know the deal - your a warrior and everyone hates you right?

Nah. I think most people either like me or are indifferent / neutral about me.

You wonder why you can't get along with the average man...

That's incorrect. I do get along fine with the average chap.

you wonder why after all the years of effort in self-improvement... nothing has changed

Actually, my life got better.

- in fact you gain less respect now from others than you ever did ... has this happend to you?

Nope. I get more respect now from others. I do care less about whether I get it or not.

If so, I want to tell you someting - the average (normal) man is a BLACK MAGICIAN. Yes, thats right you heard me correctly.

In a way, I agree.

Perhaps not black magicians in the way you would normally think of it - but in a sense that is exactly what they are because they will try to force you into accepting their limited views on life and their unhealthy and unspiritual live-styles.

Oh, you don't have to accept any views if you don't want to.

So, why would they do this? Here: let me explain...

Not satisfied with their own miserable lack-of-connection-to-spirit lives they can only find solace in their selfishness. But of course the average person doesn't want you to KNOW that they are selfish., they PRETEND to be loving, kind and generous. But underneath they are self-serving and shallow...

Mmmm, I guess that depends on the kind of person who's "average" in your reality.

I don't know what kind of people you typically attract into your own reality with your own thoughts.

Now, when YOU come along, INSTANTLY they see the joy and light in your eyes and STRAIGHT AWAY they are jealous and ANGRY. [Why don't THEY have any happiness and what makes YOU so special is their immediate concern.]

Hmmm. No I don't think so. I don't see many jealous or angry people around me.

...You must understand that the average (normal) person - (a percentage that you don't want to even imagine!!!) is coming from SEPARATION CONSCIOUSNESS. Therefore, according to his/her mindset there is not enough to go around and EVERYTHING must be competed for. Thus, they think that a happy successfull person is a bad thing for them and a person in pain and suffering is a good thing for them.

I disagree. I think that most people prefer to be around a cheerful, happy, successful person. In contrast, it's less fun being around someone's who's in pain and suffering.

The other problem is that (especially as they get to know you) they will start to feel insecure. Because they will see how intelligent and aware you are and they will see this as a threat.

This could be true in some cases. However, it really depends. My boss loves intelligent people, for instance. Because he knows that they will know how to do a good job.

[They don't want you to see through them and reveal them for their ugly and selfish natures.]

I don't have the habit of exposing people's flaws, even if I do see what their flaws are.

So naturally they will try to cut you down.

Nahh. If you're nice and helpful to people, most of them will treat you in the same way.

Also, the more they see your original hobbies and interests and you refusal to accept the social norm the more infuriated (and jealous) they will become.

I really have to disagree. I pursue many different hobbies and interests and I don't notice that anyone is infuriated or jealous because of that.

They are jealous because they themselves are gutless cowards - hiding in their pretty masks - unable and unwilling to do anything but follow the herd mentality.

Normally sheep are quite happy to be sheep.

Deep down they wonder if theres something more to life but they just don't posess the courage or the know-how to act in any other way.

Well then, they might love you for being their inspiration.

The more they get to know you - the more dangerous it gets --- They will try EVERY trick in the book to bring you down. They might even try to KILL you.

You gotta be kidding. Or insane.

Make no mistake about it. [Look what happened to Jesus.]

His death was His own game plan. Remember?

So, on a positive note what can you do?

The main point of this post is what I am about to tell you here:

YOU MUST LIVE ALONE OR WITH OTHER WARRIORS.

Oh. Is that it?

[Revolution]

Dear Acting Like Godot,

Thankyou for you reply. I can see that you are being honest and sincere.
I think one thing that is starting to become more and more clear for me is that my thinking was skewed.

In fact, most of my efforts over the years were just blind efforts dictated by the mind. But my heart was and still is in the right place.

I found out the purpose of life some time ago, and since then it has just been like this game to "get there". So I would just pick up every book and try every program that sounded like it would work.

But I have learned from my mistakes.

Now I have a new Game. Its all about stating my intentions first - and then expecting results to follow. One trick I have up my sleeve is to simply say (as an affirmation) "I am enlightened" for half an hour each and every day. That way I KNOW that eventually my life will - one way or another transform into this vision. I am also doing other 5 minute affirmations on more trivial things like happinness and health - because I know how easy it can be to get sidetracked by negative thinking.

Recently, I have started to become aware of new things - thoughts are popping into my head which I never would have even DARED to think before...

I might post about this once I have a more concrete understanding of it...

"Years teach us more than books"
~ Berthold Auerbach

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Suppose you are God?

iF i AM THEN OTHERS ARE NOT DOING MY WILL. DAMN, THWARTED AGAIN.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Maguru

If I am fulfilling god's desires then where is my free will? I certainly would not have chosen my experiences.

Free will is kind of a trap. It's all God's will. But even when we think we have free will, it's God living through you. You, who you are right now, say you wouldn't have chosen your experiences - but that's from your view point of living it out. Maybe you did choose everything before incarnation. Your soul set out the experiences and you are living it out, perfectly.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Maguru

If I am fulfilling god's desires then where is my free will? I certainly would not have chosen my experiences.

My fifth-grade daughter would not choose to do homework either at this stage in her life. However, by the time she gets to college (God willing) she will seek out homework and extra study opportunity to enhance her knowledge and understanding of that which she is studying.

That's ok Maguru... We're all fifth-graders in some aspects.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Free will is kind of a trap. It's all God's will. But even when we think we have free will, it's God living through you. You, who you are right now, say you wouldn't have chosen your experiences - but that's from your view point of living it out. Maybe you did choose everything before incarnation. Your soul set out the experiences and you are living it out, perfectly.

Thanks wolfgang, I once had a similar view to yours but I realized that god is not responsible for any human experience. We are.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by aKarma

O you Torch of Ignorance!

Call me unsophisticated if you like, but I have an innate distrust of anyone who starts a sentence with "O..."

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Call me unsophisticated if you like, but I have an innate distrust of anyone who starts a sentence with "O..."

Me, too... especially when that person continuously uses the royal "We" -- speaking in the first person, plural.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Thanks wolfgang, I once had a similar view to yours but I realized that god is not responsible for any human experience. We are.

As you wish. I'm not sold on any idea, really.

We are responsible for our human experience, yet that is also God's work since, to me, God is not some external being "out there". What ever it is that we experience, from what we think is our own will, is really God's will. I don't think in terms of we have to try hard to be one with God. Everything you do is being one with God. We haven't fallen from grace, we have incarnated into a life in which God wished to experience what it is we experience. imho.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

My fifth-grade daughter would not choose to do homework either at this stage in her life. However, by the time she gets to college (God willing) she will seek out homework and extra study opportunity to enhance her knowledge and understanding of that which she is studying.

That's ok Maguru... We're all fifth-graders in some aspects.

I suppose life could be seen as a school to grow and learn but not all education is beneficial. For instance, knowing how to build weapons has never been beneficial. That knowledge we could do without.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

As you wish. I'm not sold on any idea, really.

We are responsible for our human experience, yet that is also God's work since, to me, God is not some external being "out there". What ever it is that we experience, from what we think is our own will, is really God's will. I don't think in terms of we have to try hard to be one with God. Everything you do is being one with God. We haven't fallen from grace, we have incarnated into a life in which God wished to experience what it is we experience. imho.

You see this doesn't make sense to me. Why would god wish to experience abuse as my child and suffer from it the rest of her life? It's God's will that a family is ripped apart? Was the perpetrator doing god's will?
I don't see god here. We are here now living this one life that we are aware of and attributing everything as god's will changes nothing.

IMHO all life is about change. A change that we can control or not. It is our choice.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I suppose life could be seen as a school to grow and learn but not all education is beneficial. For instance, knowing how to build weapons has never been beneficial. That knowledge we could do without.

Really? I think I disagree. One cannot know life without death. Nor peace without war. One cannot know kindness and mercy without cruelty and spite. All things must have their opposites to have meaning. No experience is wasted or "bad", simply what we choose to do with it. We learn most from our struggles and pain - both as individuals and as a species.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Really? I think I disagree. One cannot know life without death. Nor peace without war. One cannot know kindness and mercy without cruelty and spite. All things must have their opposites to have meaning. No experience is wasted or "bad", simply what we choose to do with it. We learn most from our struggles and pain - both as individuals and as a species.

Haven't we enough knowledge, awareness and experience to now choose peace?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Really? I think I disagree. One cannot know life without death. Nor peace without war. One cannot know kindness and mercy without cruelty and spite. All things must have their opposites to have meaning. No experience is wasted or "bad", simply what we choose to do with it. We learn most from our struggles and pain - both as individuals and as a species.

Pretty much. I believe the Source, Universe, God, whatever you choose to call "it", needs or wants to experience everything, and we are the means for that. Everything includes some very nasty stuff. And since the experience is different for every one of we vessels, it's a different experience every time and thus has value.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Call me unsophisticated if you like, but I have an innate distrust of anyone who starts a sentence with "O..."

LOL. Maybe, but the world would be a slightly less interesting place without them, no?

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Haven't we enough knowledge, awareness and experience to now choose peace?

I'm going with a no.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

I'm going with a no.

Sadly and somewhat unbelievably NOT enough people have suffered.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Pretty much. I believe the Source, Universe, God, whatever you choose to call "it", needs or wants to experience everything, and we are the means for that. Everything includes some very nasty stuff. And since the experience is different for every one of we vessels, it's a different experience every time and thus has value.

Maybe this is correct that 'we are the means to god's end' but not very nice to be used as either an abuser or the abused. Surely god could create a better way to entertain himself?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Maybe this is correct that 'we are the means to god's end' but not very nice to be used as either an abuser or the abused. Surely god could create a better way to entertain himself?

Heh...I see your humor, but if you (and you might not) accept that you'll have many lifetimes to do otherwise, a lifetime of pain is but a pinprick.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Haven't we enough knowledge, awareness and experience to now choose peace?

Apparantly not.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Haven't we enough knowledge, awareness and experience to now choose peace?

To me, that is a hilarious question. It's like asking, "Haven't we enough silver glitter disco shoes to now choose to be happy?"

Choosing to be peace (or love, or bold inspiration, or joy, or freedom) has no prerequisites! You don't have to have any conditions satisfied before you choose peace.

And one thing I'm quite sure of: you certainly don't need to suffer first! That is a very funny concept!

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Angela

To me, that is a hilarious question. It's like asking, "Haven't we enough silver glitter disco shoes to now choose to be happy?"

Choosing to be peace (or love, or bold inspiration, or joy, or freedom) has no prerequisites! You don't have to have any conditions satisfied before you choose peace.

And one thing I'm quite sure of: you certainly don't need to suffer first! That is a very funny concept!

C'mon... you can NEVER have enough glitter disco shoes.