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So many of us are caught up in our own pride and arrogance, thinking we can be as good as God. If we look at ourselves truthfully, there is so little we actually control, beyond the small, everyday decisions we make. When a 10 ton truck hits you at 70 mph, how do you control that? A lot of the views expressed above are just re-hashed, recycled (get it!) ideas of Pantheism and Panentheism. Been there, tried it, got the T shirt. Sorry, not for me. Who's to say God can't be separate from his own creation, or from consciousness as we know it? When you're at the brink of desolation Staring down into the abyss When your're stripped of all you think you are, Of all your pride and bravura, When you are left, cold, shivering and alone, With Old Nick breathing down your neck Then, you may understand what the soul truly is And how weak and powerless you really are But will it be too late? Who will help you then? Unless you have experienced this, don't talk to me about gods, infinity and cosmic consciouness!! |
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Why would I choose from the uncountable multi'verses layed out in front of me, stretching to infinity......to get hit by a 10 ton truck going 70 mph? Seems a bit closed minded, don't you think? |
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Pantheism/Panetheism was heavily practiced thousands of years before. People worshiped the sun, the planets, animals, etc. How can anyone say that is God? Will you really call a monkey God? How can humans do cruel experimentations on God? It's ridiculous and defies the definition of God. No one in the history of the human race could do the things that God can. People tried so hard to study alchemy to remain immortal! Would such a limitation be applicable to God? No, because God is already immortal. No one can cook up and earth out of nowhere. No one can create another human being from scratch. We barely understand the human personality and emotions - would that ever be a hindrance to God? God has no limits or hindrances! lol |
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| Some people think the soul is merely the spiritual part of a human being, be it the moral aspect, that believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come. If its the underlying principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in us, and its a distinct entity separate from the physical body, then why do people fight against their instinct or better judgement (conscience) which are associated with the spirit or soul? Rather than merge with your core, would you prefer promote conflict and question what your inner voice tells you? |
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Yes, sorry about that, just trying to provoke a response! |
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__________________ "I read, I interpret, I think, I criticize, I oppose, I listen, I write, I question, I reply, I quote, I tell, I name, I discuss, I interpolate..., I learn, I teach, I live, therefore I am." -- Marc-Alain Ouaknin, "Mysteries of the Kabbalah", p383. Favorite Essays I Wrote: love, identity & growth, economics, education, equality, definitions. Recent Books I liked: Anansi Boys, Fly By Night, Hyperion. |
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| It doesn't have to be a nice experience for it to be an educational one. I would personally welcome such an experience, because I have no idea whether or not I could actually handle it. I certainly have loads of theory that tell me I could do it, and I've had the training to deal with an attacker, but can I apply it in the heat of the moment, or am I going to panic and break? I can't foresee that. Whatever the outcome, it signals what I am ignorant of.
__________________ "I read, I interpret, I think, I criticize, I oppose, I listen, I write, I question, I reply, I quote, I tell, I name, I discuss, I interpolate..., I learn, I teach, I live, therefore I am." -- Marc-Alain Ouaknin, "Mysteries of the Kabbalah", p383. Favorite Essays I Wrote: love, identity & growth, economics, education, equality, definitions. Recent Books I liked: Anansi Boys, Fly By Night, Hyperion. |
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When on is aware enough, then that WHAM doesn't occur. Is this how my life goes? Absolutely. When things happen, I can trace it back to the exact thought that brought it into my Holographic universe. |
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| I am happy that you and Michael feel strong and confident enough to take on all-comers and it give it your best shot. But, is it not conceivable, and within the realms of possibly, that something could happen to you, for which you are not prepared, something so horrific and overpowering, that you could not fathom or comprehend it, let alone fight it? If you were old and infirm, for example, losing your memory and mental faculties, and were subjected to a vicious assault, would you say, "I welcome this experience. Not only is it fun, but it's educational as well! Heck of a deal!" |
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Now, I fully know what I am. An infinite being, that every second of the day, chooses any slice from the mulitverses that I want to experience. Again. So then would I choose a horrific and overpowering experience? |
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| Hmmm ... what are you choosing exactly - just general, life direction stuff, or everything that affects you? Are you fully conscious of each heart beat, and breath you take, and choosing whether it should happen or not? |
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Other parts of my awareness take care of the number of breaths I take, so that I can fully focus. |
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You choose your reaction to what life throws at you, whether it be nasty or nice. Terrible things happen daily, hourly. And yet, nothing is so monstrous as to be incomprehensible. It was difficult, thousands of years ago, to understand why storms would boil out of the desert and flood the hot, dry region with lightning and water; but we've begun to understand why now. Why do the stars' position remain fixed in the sky? Why do the clouds glow with an eerie, yet beautiful, color in that short time before dusk? Why do people kill one another? Why do people stand by when others are being abused and tortured? Why do beaten wives go back to their husbands? Why do children bully one another? Why do we torture and humiliate others? Why do we process and systematize a genocide? Why do former neighbors take up machetes and slice us to pieces? Why do we rape, pillage, plunder, nuke? It can be understood. It is being understood. And the process of understanding is what education is.
__________________ "I read, I interpret, I think, I criticize, I oppose, I listen, I write, I question, I reply, I quote, I tell, I name, I discuss, I interpolate..., I learn, I teach, I live, therefore I am." -- Marc-Alain Ouaknin, "Mysteries of the Kabbalah", p383. Favorite Essays I Wrote: love, identity & growth, economics, education, equality, definitions. Recent Books I liked: Anansi Boys, Fly By Night, Hyperion. |
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Why don't you do what I said above. "I fully know what I am. An infinite being, that every second of the day, chooses any slice from the mulitverses that I want to experience." |
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It's ultimately about choice. In a diminished capacity, choice typically involves reaction. As one's awareness grows, choice is becomes more proactive. At the point of total awareness, choice is never a reaction.
__________________ "I read, I interpret, I think, I criticize, I oppose, I listen, I write, I question, I reply, I quote, I tell, I name, I discuss, I interpolate..., I learn, I teach, I live, therefore I am." -- Marc-Alain Ouaknin, "Mysteries of the Kabbalah", p383. Favorite Essays I Wrote: love, identity & growth, economics, education, equality, definitions. Recent Books I liked: Anansi Boys, Fly By Night, Hyperion. |
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Michael, I find your insights very intriguing and moving towards complete understanding and awareness is something we all should be striving for to understand our true nature. Part of it is intuition, an internal knowing about having a soul or spirit, or whatever you wish to label it as, but actually feeling that this is definitely there, that there is something more than your body, that is worth more than any intellectual pursuit as it does not need to be proven, as you simply feel it. This is, of course, my humble opinion and how I choose to relate to the world. I did not choose this belief system, it chose me. It is how I have always felt, without anyone telling me for or against this belief system. Some people may be fearful of death, and as George Carlin once said, "It's when we find out where we go." I'm very curious as to where I go, but I do know for sure I will go somewhere, the fundamental part of my being. Just a few thoughts... |


