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So many of us are caught up in our own pride and arrogance, thinking we can be as good as God. If we look at ourselves truthfully, there is so little we actually control, beyond the small, everyday decisions we make. When a 10 ton truck hits you at 70 mph, how do you control that? A lot of the views expressed above are just re-hashed, recycled (get it!) ideas of Pantheism and Panentheism. Been there, tried it, got the T shirt. Sorry, not for me. Who's to say God can't be separate from his own creation, or from consciousness as we know it? When you're at the brink of desolation Staring down into the abyss When your're stripped of all you think you are, Of all your pride and bravura, When you are left, cold, shivering and alone, With Old Nick breathing down your neck Then, you may understand what the soul truly is And how weak and powerless you really are But will it be too late? Who will help you then? Unless you have experienced this, don't talk to me about gods, infinity and cosmic consciouness!! | |
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Why would I choose from the uncountable multi'verses layed out in front of me, stretching to infinity......to get hit by a 10 ton truck going 70 mph? Seems a bit closed minded, don't you think? | |
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Pantheism/Panetheism was heavily practiced thousands of years before. People worshiped the sun, the planets, animals, etc. How can anyone say that is God? Will you really call a monkey God? How can humans do cruel experimentations on God? It's ridiculous and defies the definition of God. No one in the history of the human race could do the things that God can. People tried so hard to study alchemy to remain immortal! Would such a limitation be applicable to God? No, because God is already immortal. No one can cook up and earth out of nowhere. No one can create another human being from scratch. We barely understand the human personality and emotions - would that ever be a hindrance to God? God has no limits or hindrances! lol | ||
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Some people think the soul is merely the spiritual part of a human being, be it the moral aspect, that believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come. If its the underlying principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in us, and its a distinct entity separate from the physical body, then why do people fight against their instinct or better judgement (conscience) which are associated with the spirit or soul? Rather than merge with your core, would you prefer promote conflict and question what your inner voice tells you? |
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Yes, sorry about that, just trying to provoke a response! | |
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It doesn't have to be a nice experience for it to be an educational one. I would personally welcome such an experience, because I have no idea whether or not I could actually handle it. I certainly have loads of theory that tell me I could do it, and I've had the training to deal with an attacker, but can I apply it in the heat of the moment, or am I going to panic and break? I can't foresee that. Whatever the outcome, it signals what I am ignorant of.
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When on is aware enough, then that WHAM doesn't occur. Is this how my life goes? Absolutely. When things happen, I can trace it back to the exact thought that brought it into my Holographic universe. | |
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I am happy that you and Michael feel strong and confident enough to take on all-comers and it give it your best shot. But, is it not conceivable, and within the realms of possibly, that something could happen to you, for which you are not prepared, something so horrific and overpowering, that you could not fathom or comprehend it, let alone fight it? If you were old and infirm, for example, losing your memory and mental faculties, and were subjected to a vicious assault, would you say, "I welcome this experience. Not only is it fun, but it's educational as well! Heck of a deal!" |
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Now, I fully know what I am. An infinite being, that every second of the day, chooses any slice from the mulitverses that I want to experience. Again. So then would I choose a horrific and overpowering experience? | |
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| Hmmm ... what are you choosing exactly - just general, life direction stuff, or everything that affects you? Are you fully conscious of each heart beat, and breath you take, and choosing whether it should happen or not?
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Other parts of my awareness take care of the number of breaths I take, so that I can fully focus. | |
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You choose your reaction to what life throws at you, whether it be nasty or nice. Terrible things happen daily, hourly. And yet, nothing is so monstrous as to be incomprehensible. It was difficult, thousands of years ago, to understand why storms would boil out of the desert and flood the hot, dry region with lightning and water; but we've begun to understand why now. Why do the stars' position remain fixed in the sky? Why do the clouds glow with an eerie, yet beautiful, color in that short time before dusk? Why do people kill one another? Why do people stand by when others are being abused and tortured? Why do beaten wives go back to their husbands? Why do children bully one another? Why do we torture and humiliate others? Why do we process and systematize a genocide? Why do former neighbors take up machetes and slice us to pieces? Why do we rape, pillage, plunder, nuke? It can be understood. It is being understood. And the process of understanding is what education is. | ||
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Why don't you do what I said above. "I fully know what I am. An infinite being, that every second of the day, chooses any slice from the mulitverses that I want to experience." | |
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It's ultimately about choice. In a diminished capacity, choice typically involves reaction. As one's awareness grows, choice is becomes more proactive. At the point of total awareness, choice is never a reaction. | |
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Michael, I find your insights very intriguing and moving towards complete understanding and awareness is something we all should be striving for to understand our true nature. Part of it is intuition, an internal knowing about having a soul or spirit, or whatever you wish to label it as, but actually feeling that this is definitely there, that there is something more than your body, that is worth more than any intellectual pursuit as it does not need to be proven, as you simply feel it. This is, of course, my humble opinion and how I choose to relate to the world. I did not choose this belief system, it chose me. It is how I have always felt, without anyone telling me for or against this belief system. Some people may be fearful of death, and as George Carlin once said, "It's when we find out where we go." I'm very curious as to where I go, but I do know for sure I will go somewhere, the fundamental part of my being. Just a few thoughts... | |
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I am not talking about the 'post-match analysis/reaction'. I am talking about the moment of impact and the incurring of pain. You said that you may be able to repel attackers, in the street attack example. Well, that would not have been an overwhelming experience then, would it? OK, let's up the ante a bit: you are attacked by 50 armed thugs who leave you with your head kicked in, your teeth kicked out, choking to death on your own blood, in excruciating agony, while your children are tortured to death in front of you (sorry for being so graphic ). I repeat : where, exactly would the F-U-N be in that? Are you seriously saying you would welcome such an experience? Your exact words were: When we get bored, we want some fun in our lives. Fun manifests as a learning experience. And if you already control it, you aren't going to learn from it. Thus, the experience must be something you don't control, even if you do control it. And on your following post: It doesn't have to be a nice experience for it to be an educational one. I would personally welcome such an experience, because I have no idea whether or not I could actually handle it. | |
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It's not post-match; it's immediate. You should always be taking in the information that you have at hand to understand the situation influencing you, and thus attempt to make sense of what is happening to you, and from that knowledge create choices on what you will do next. I'm going to New York this summer. My parents have been telling me to be careful since they found out. That crime is high and tourists are easy targets, etc., the usual. So, perhaps I'll receive this learning experience sooner than I really want it. Okay, I welcome it. If this body survives it, then it has more to do. If it doesn't, then I won't use it anymore; that'll be a different learning experience. | |
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If I didn't welcome pain as a learning experience, I wouldn't be talking to you, because I'd be dead. You say, "if there is no choice," but there is always a choice and one of the most critical choices is how you react to situations that are presented to you. The most basic and fundamental choice of all is the attitude with which you meet a new experience. Obviously, you have a different idea of what it means to welcome an experience than I do; when faced with a wall, choosing to climb it is just as welcoming of it, if not more, as sitting there and staring at it. You don't reject an experience when it's presented to you; you welcome it and react to it. If you react by lying around mindlessly, then that's your perogative, but I would prefer to attempt to surmount the obstacle by understanding it. On the other hand, if you start screaming, "This isn't happening to me!", then I would say you have a problem, because you're not welcoming the experience at all; you're reducing your ability to understand by denial and rejection. If 50 thugs are beating me to a pulp, I want to know why. Most likely, I'll want to get out of there: I am a bit attached to my life. But maybe I don't want to. Maybe I've chosen to be kicked to death as a sacrifice. Maybe escape would be a really bad thing. But I'd have to understand why before I could make that choice. Maybe I want to take down as many as I could with me. In that case, I'd fight back, if I could. Or maybe I don't; in which case I wouldn't. But I'd need to know why. Then I'd have choice. As for fun, getting kicked over and over wouldn't be fun, because that's happened to me before. It would be painful, but it would also be slightly boring. I've been kicked plenty of times in my life; it's hard to imagine someone coming up with a novel method of kicking me that would be interesting. I've been kicked three times in the unprotected groin, once so hard that blocking it put me on the ground, and hell, I've been landed on by a flying kick, though I guess that doesn't really count as a kick. Then again, pain is always interesting, so that'd keep the experience fresh. But it'd be fun to see how long I could last, to play psychological games with the thugs, to see whether or not I could slip at just the right moment and cause them to hit one another, or whatever. It would certainly be fun to infuriate them by smiling jauntily with a couple missing teeth, or by sticking my tongue out at them, or to show off the rib they've exposed as if I were trying to fashion a woman out of it. Well, that'd only be fun to me; it'd be really hard to explain it to them while getting kicked in the face. Maybe I could convince them to stop long enough to let me go through the motions. But I don't know for sure until I actually experience it. Maybe none of that would happen. Probably not, in fact. But it'd sure be interesting to find out. |
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Given the huge amount of people and the variety of our brains, egos, ID's, super-egos and levels of personal and spiritual development, it is no wonder that there is a religion for every group, every tribe and every person. There are also cults, philosophies, etc. So there isn't just one religion for everyone because everyone is different. To some people atheism is what makes them comfortable.To others, it's Christianity, yet to others it's yoga, or whatever. In reality, no one will really knows the truth until after death. After death, reality sets in. If there is NOTHING, it's all over. We're just biological beings. If there IS, then, we will have some thinking to do with our spiritual bodies. Some religions believe that this is the time to prepare to meet God and not after we've died. The saying: "To each their own!" applies. Last edited by videobroker; 05-26-2007 at 07:06 PM. |
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