How to become Godlike!

[aKarma]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I believe there is a process of human evolution, much as you described BUT GOD? Isn't this total denial of our humanity?

Okay, I am going to do this in the most easiest language that I can find. Please perform a very simple meditation on what I write now. Do not project your own meaning to what I say below, just try to "empathize" with it. Please meditate for at least 10 seconds before going onto the next sentence:


1) You are NOT human.


2) You are NOT your body.


3) You are STUCK in your body.


4) There is a way to GET OUT of this body.


5) It is very DIFFICULT getting out of this body.


6) The way to get out is the way mentioned in the OPENING POST


7) It will take YEARS to get out of the body.


8) Once you get out, you will MERGE with your Source.


9) You can achieve this BEFORE you actually die.


10) Once you achieve it, you can COME AND GO as you please.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by aKarma

Okay, I am going to do this in the most easiest language that I can find. Please perform a very simple meditation on what I write now. Do not project your own meaning to what I say below, just try to "empathize" with it. Please meditate for at least 10 seconds before going onto the next sentence:


1) You are NOT human.


2) You are NOT your body.


3) You are STUCK in your body.


4) There is a way to GET OUT of this body.


5) It is very DIFFICULT getting out of this body.


6) The way to get out is the way mentioned in the OPENING POST


7) It will take YEARS to get out of the body.


8) Once you get out, you will MERGE with your Source.


9) You can achieve this BEFORE you actually die.


10) Once you achieve it, you can COME AND GO as you please.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. You may go travelling all over the galaxy in your mind BUT without a body to come home to, how would you recall the experience? Without your body how could you come and go as you please? It is my experience that when your body goes, you ain't coming back!

[philm]

Originally Posted by aKarma

The question about the permanency of imprints is very good. I shall try to explain it here:

The points in life mentioned above are the points of "imprint vulnerability" in the individual for that particular 'circuit'. The imprint could be either positive or negative. The first two circuits call out to the Mother and Father Archetypes, but how well the actual biological parents live up to these archetypes determines the nature of the imprint. If they do a good job, a good Universe is imprinted...if they do a bad job, a bad Universe is imprinted. This life-view then continues on well into adulthood, determining a person's choices, friends, career, partner, etc. It also determines how well a person adapts to the 'higher' circuits...a negative imprint on the lower one will break under the high velocity of the corresponding upper circuit (circuit 5 is the overtone for circuit 1, circ 6 for circ 2, and so on). Another example of this imprint vulnerability comes in the first few sexual experiences a person has...the conditions under which this process takes place imprints itself on that person (eg back-seat of a car in the woods), and so whenever these conditions are replicated, the person in question always gets turned on.

The imprints are then locked by further conditioning and learning done over and above the imprints. This constant re-inforcement develops one's "reality-tunnel" in which he/she goes on to live the rest of their life. Everything one experiences is subjectively placed within the boundaries of one's particular "reality-tunnel" (one's own little universe). The power of re-imprinting does not come until a person's consciousness reaches Level 6 (metaprogramming). This is the level of 'brain-consciousness' where the person's entire memory returns...the individual can now view the entire chain of images from birth up until the present time and see where the 'glitches' in this memory-matrix appear...the 'glitches' would be areas of suppressed memories/negative imprints...the individual can now 're-live' these experiences to see why the imprint took place, and free this particular blockage of energy...this is usually known as a 'break-through' session in the therapists office and takes a lot of time to get to, however the practices of magick and yoga have figured out much more efficient ways to achieve the same result. Radical psychologists in the 1960's experimented with LSD in very controlled settings to achieve this same re-imprinting process. Remember: there is no energy shortage, only energy blockage. These circuits can be considered as the 'chakras' as well. Once the bio-energies are released from this blockage, the kundalini serpent moves upwards and opens the higher circuit. This is the wisdom behind the saying: "Let go of the past, and live in the present".

As for yoga: this is ALWAYS done from the bottom-up. A person begins by clearing the block from the 1st circuit, and moves up slowly. Any other practise which helps to clear out the bio-survival fears and anxieties of Circuit 1 will also help - a person has to use his/her own judgement as to what such activities would entail. As a crude example, lets take the game of poker: a great poker player has to master Circuit 1 by eliminating all fear from his game, Circuit 2 is mastered by eliminating all emotional attachment to the game so that he never goes on tilt, Circuit 3 is mastered by making all the right rational decisions whenever he plays, Circuit 4 is mastered by reading the other players on the table accurately, Circuit 5 is mastered by being creative when he plays, and Circuit 6 is mastered by his ability to maintain concentration all-day long so that he can inuitively read the vibes in the air (or be in the 'Zone'). This is the reason why professional poker players can sometimes appear very charismatic and 'god-like' to others, but their worship of money blocks their energy at level 6 and they fail to evolve higher. This happens to a lot of successful businessmen as well.

A very useful meditation to see how your circuits are imprinted is the following one: (taken from Robert Anton Wilsons 'Illuminati Papers')

Sit in a quiet place, and try to scan the nature of the circuit by seeing which of the two categories below it falls in. Be as honest as you can with yourself.

Circuit I
Winner: "I will live forever or die trying"
Loser: "I don't know how to defend myself"

Circuit II
Winner: "I am free; you are free; we can have our seperate trips or we can have the same trip"
Loser: "They all intimidate me"

Circuit III
Winner: "I am learning more about everything, including how to learn more"
Loser: "I can't solve my problems"

Circuit IV
Winner: "Love, and do what you Will"
Loser: "Everything I like is illegal, immoral, or fattening"

Circuit V
Winner: "How I feel depends on my bodily knowhow"
Loser: "I can't help the way I feel"

Circuit VI
Winner: "I make my own coincidences, synchronicities, luck and Destiny"
Loser: "Why do I have such lousy luck?"

Circuit VII
Winner: "Future evolution depends on my decisions now"
Loser: "Evolution is blind and impersonal"

Circuit VIII
Winner: "In the province of the mind, what is believed to be true is true, or becomes true within certain limits to be learned by experience and experiment"
Loser: "I am not psychic, and I doubt anyone is"

aKarma,

Your intentions are noble. You seek to help. A Gold star for that.

Reality, though, has a way of kicking us in the bum which kind of awakens us to the possibility that we can't Control All the Circuits. The circuits are bigger than who we think "I am" or would like to become.

thanks and blessings friend
p

[Barcs]

I've messed around with various cosmologies like this for a long time. I think there is an ego trap in creating higher levels of consciousness... some sort of ladder we're all supposed to climb up and proclaim 'I am God. I am enlightened.'

I believe that is one the big catches of enlightenment. You can't have an ego and be enlightened. If you go around bragging to your friends about being enlightened it shows that you are actually not. A person who is truley enlightened does not consider himself enlightened. I don't know about the whole becoming god thing, but spiritual enlightenment itself.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. You may go travelling all over the galaxy in your mind BUT without a body to come home to, how would you recall the experience?

In what part of your body do you keep your memories? Do you know? Do you find them in your thumb? Are they in your nose? Maybe lodged in the mucus membrane? Even if they were, how could you perceive them if you didn't have a mind to do it with?

Originally Posted by Maguru

Without your body how could you come and go as you please? It is my experience that when your body goes, you ain't coming back!

When you say "when your body goes you ain't coming back," who or what is the "you" you refer to there? I don't understand what you are saying your experience is. Your body is gone right now? Where did it go? Your mind is left here, but your body is gone?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

It is my experience that when your body goes, you ain't coming back!

Really? That is your experience? Was it your own body that went, or someone else's? If it was someone else's, how exactly did you have their experience with them?

Maybe you meant it is your opinion, rather than your experience?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

In what part of your body do you keep your memories? Do you know? Do you find them in your thumb? Are they in your nose? Maybe lodged in the mucus membrane? Even if they were, how could you perceive them if you didn't have a mind to do it with?

In what part of your body do you keep your mind? Do you know? Do you find it in your thumb? Is it in your nose? Maybe lodged in the mucus membrane?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Angela

Really? That is your experience? Was it your own body that went, or someone else's? If it was someone else's, how exactly did you have their experience with them?

Maybe you meant it is your opinion, rather than your experience?

I could have said it is my experience that those whose bodies leave (as opposed to the mind leaving) do not come back.
I didn't say when I leave my body as aKarma is claiming in this statement..

9) You can achieve this BEFORE you actually die.


10) Once you achieve it, you can COME AND GO as you please.

My reply was in direct reference to show the error of this statement. I am saying that without a body, you cannot come and go as you please. Therefore, the experience of leaving the body (but it stays there) is just a mind experience. It means only what you personally perceive it to be.

No-one alive can know if there is life after death. Those who believe they know are using their mind-body-feelings to communicate their experience. Those who believe they communicate with the dead are using their mind-body-feelings to communicate the communication.

How could any of this happen without the human being a human-being?

All these concepts of becoming 'who we really are' takes away the focus from 'who we really are' right now.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Maguru

In what part of your body do you keep your mind? Do you know? Do you find it in your thumb? Is it in your nose? Maybe lodged in the mucus membrane?

Hey, I'm not the one who said you have to be in your body in order to remember things .

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I could have said it is my experience that those whose bodies leave (as opposed to the mind leaving) do not come back.
I didn't say when I leave my body as aKarma is claiming in this statement..

How did you experience that those whose bodies leave do not come back? How can you know that? Maybe they just don't check in with you when they come back. Perhaps when they come back, you just don't have the capacity to recognize them. Maybe you haven't waited long enough.

How do you have the experience of someone not coming back? How does one have an experience of a universal negative occurrence?

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Angela

How do you have the experience of someone not coming back? How does one have an experience of a universal negative occurrence?

I still don't understand the fundamental statement. Bodies don't leave. The soul and life leaves the body, the body stays and decomposes in the ground or is otherwise disposed of. It made more sense when I thought Maguru meant the mind left the body...well...it made equally little sense. Bodies don't and can't come or go, its our consciousness in the body that can be transferred.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

Hey, I'm not the one who said you have to be in your body in order to remember things .

I'm not the one saying I can remember things without my body.
Where are you when you remember things?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

I still don't understand the fundamental statement. Bodies don't leave. The soul and life leaves the body, the body stays and decomposes in the ground or is otherwise disposed of. It made more sense when I thought Maguru meant the mind left the body...well...it made equally little sense. Bodies don't and can't come or go, its our consciousness in the body that can be transferred.

Ok, where is this consciousness held now in the living body? Is consciousness a separate entity from the body? Can or does it exist independently? If so why aren't we aware when we are unconscious?

I believe consciousness is a natural phenomena born of humanity and existing only within humanity. The whole human-being (mind, body, feelings) contain the whole consciousness. What possible reason could there be for this consciousness to exist in another realm speculated to be for example: oneness/source/god/essence/vibration/energy?

[aKarma]

O you Enquirers of Truth,

My Superiors have instructed me to impart the following leads to you.


Evolutionary Surfers (Circuits I-V) - Introductory Materials:

Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

Angel Tech by Antero Alli

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 2-3 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the akashic planes...


Baby-Psychics / Human Aura Readers (Circuit VI) - Intermediate Knowledge:

The Tree of Life by Israel Regardie

A Garden of Pomegranates also by Israel Regardie

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 2-3 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the astral planes...


Aspiring Spiritual Teachers (Circuit VII) - Advanced Knowledge:

A great place to start: Bhagavad-Gita As It Is by His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada

followed by the Vedic Literatures, the Pali Canon, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Old and New Testament, the Quran, and all other Holy Scriptures

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 10 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the archetypal planes...


Godlike Entities (Circuit VIII) - Unmanifested Knowledge:

Everything and Nothing

Estimated Time of Assimilation: Eternity

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Originally Posted by Maguru

Ok, where is this consciousness held now in the living body? Is consciousness a separate entity from the body? Can or does it exist independently? If so why aren't we aware when we are unconscious?

I believe consciousness is a natural phenomena born of humanity and existing only within humanity.

It is not that Consciousness exists within humanity, but that humanity exists within Consciousness

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I'm not the one saying I can remember things without my body.
Where are you when you remember things?

I am wherever my awareness or consciousness is. If it is not in my body, I am not in my body, though my body may be fully well and functioning as it should.

Originally Posted by Maguru

Ok, where is this consciousness held now in the living body? Is consciousness a separate entity from the body? Can or does it exist independently?

Consciousness is not held in the body, yes and yes, IMO.

Originally Posted by Maguru

If so why aren't we aware when we are unconscious?

I have to try to understand what you are saying here, I am a bit slow...What you are saying is that if consciousness were independent of the body, we would be conscious when we are unconscious, for example, from some sort of accident, is this right?

Well, I don't know that, honestly, but why do you ask that question instead of how I can close my eyes and move my mind to something that doesn't exist in my immediate external surroundings and be there consciously in my mind despite the fact that my body is still in the same geographical location and doesn't move. If body and awareness were dependent, wouldn't your body go wherever you put your consciousness as much as you indicate that your mind goes where your body goes if you are in an accident that renders you unconscious (if that's what you mean)? Incidentally, even in such a situation, your body has not gone anywhere, it still remains wherever it was thrown after it was struck by a car. What goes away from your body is your awareness. Where does it go? I don't know...

Originally Posted by Maguru

I believe consciousness is a natural phenomena born of humanity and existing only within humanity. The whole human-being (mind, body, feelings) contain the whole consciousness.

That explains my confusion about what you are saying then I guess...at least partly.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

What possible reason could there be for this consciousness to exist in another realm speculated to be for example: oneness/source/god/essence/vibration/energy?

Who needs a reason? Not me. It's an enjoyable prospect, that's reason enough for me.

Maybe you mean: what possible evidence could there be that this might be so? There is plenty of evidence, but perhaps you wouldn't be convinced by it, because you're willing to be convinced only by human science and physics, which are not yet advanced enough to determine answers to questions like this. That's fine.

(oh, boy, I wonder how long it will take for someone to declare that that kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous! )

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Angela

Who needs a reason? Not me. It's an enjoyable prospect, that's reason enough for me.

Maybe you mean: what possible evidence could there be that this might be so? There is plenty of evidence, but perhaps you wouldn't be convinced by it, because you're willing to be convinced only by human science and physics, which are not yet advanced enough to determine answers to questions like this. That's fine.

(oh, boy, I wonder how long it will take for someone to declare that that kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous! )

That kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous!

[Angela]

Three minutes flat!

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Angela

Three minutes flat!

That's the power of the law of attraction! "Your wish is my command..."

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

"Your wish is my command..."

How godlike you are!

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Ok, where is this consciousness held now in the living body? Is consciousness a separate entity from the body? Can or does it exist independently? If so why aren't we aware when we are unconscious?

I believe consciousness is a natural phenomena born of humanity and existing only within humanity. The whole human-being (mind, body, feelings) contain the whole consciousness. What possible reason could there be for this consciousness to exist in another realm speculated to be for example: oneness/source/god/essence/vibration/energy?

It isn't another realm. Everything is energy no matter what form it takes at any given moment; hence, we are all one. We can all intellectually understand that concept. To experience it is another story. Speculation is an aspect of reason and not of experience itself.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

I have to try to understand what you are saying here, I am a bit slow...What you are saying is that if consciousness were independent of the body, we would be conscious when we are unconscious, for example, from some sort of accident, is this right?

Or just fast asleep. I have no conscious awareness when I am in deep sleep. In other words, I don't ever remember anything from this state of unconsciousness.

Well, I don't know that, honestly, but why do you ask that question instead of 'how I can close my eyes and move my mind to something that doesn't exist in my immediate external surroundings and be there consciously in my mind despite the fact that my body is still in the same geographical location and doesn't move'.

Your mind is thinking/imagining/focussed without thoughts of the present situation. During this time there are physical sensations that link the body to the mind experiences. However, it is not until the mind returns to the present situation (body and all) that these experiences can be remembered.

If body and awareness were dependent, wouldn't your body go wherever you put your consciousness

I think we can safely say that isn't true. But putting it the other way around, wouldn't the consciousness (as opposed to unconsciousness) go wherever the body goes? In deep sleep we have no awareness of anything.

as much as you indicate that your mind goes where your body goes if you are in an accident that renders you unconscious (if that's what you mean)? Incidentally, even in such a situation, your body has not gone anywhere, it still remains wherever it was thrown after it was struck by a car. What goes away from your body is your awareness. Where does it go? I don't know...

I wish I knew ????????????????

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by aKarma

O you Enquirers of Truth,

My Superiors have instructed me to impart the following leads to you.


Evolutionary Surfers (Circuits I-V) - Introductory Materials:

Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

Angel Tech by Antero Alli

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 2-3 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the akashic planes...


Baby-Psychics / Human Aura Readers (Circuit VI) - Intermediate Knowledge:

The Tree of Life by Israel Regardie

A Garden of Pomegranates also by Israel Regardie

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 2-3 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the astral planes...


Aspiring Spiritual Teachers (Circuit VII) - Advanced Knowledge:

A great place to start: Bhagavad-Gita As It Is by His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada

followed by the Vedic Literatures, the Pali Canon, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Old and New Testament, the Quran, and all other Holy Scriptures

Estimated Time of Assimilation: 10 years

Following which, your consciousness will awaken to the archetypal planes...


Godlike Entities (Circuit VIII) - Unmanifested Knowledge:

Everything and Nothing

Estimated Time of Assimilation: Eternity

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It is not that Consciousness exists within humanity, but that humanity exists within Consciousness

A nice thought but not including the full picture. How do your superiors explain how humanity still exists in unconsciousness?

Have you no personal experiences, instead of just others' philosophies, from which to draw your conclusions?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

That kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous!

I absolutely agree. Jill Bolte Taylor refers to it as 'la la land'. A very nice place to be for some.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

It isn't another realm. Everything is energy no matter what form it takes at any given moment; hence, we are all one. We can all intellectually understand that concept. To experience it is another story. Speculation is an aspect of reason and not of experience itself.

I am only at the speculating stage that everything is energy. How do we change this concept into a reality?

[Angela]

Well, you are so right that where I live is a very nice place to live, consciousness-wise!

I'm still wondering how you have had the experience that "when your body goes, it ain't coming back."

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

That kind of thinking is delusional and dangerous!

Would you kindly clarify what 'kind of thinking' are you actually referring to here? Did you agree with Angela's opinion that my thinking was 'delusional and dangerous' or was it your opinion that Angela was describing her own thinking, as was my opinion?

[MyEyeIsOpen]

It's fascinating to me that your descriptions seem fairly accurate, but your wretched, and doubtful ego shine through so clearly.

How did you come to believe what you believe?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Would you kindly clarify what 'kind of thinking' are you actually referring to here? Did you agree with Angela's opinion that my thinking was 'delusional and dangerous' or was it your opinion that Angela was describing her own thinking, as was my opinion?

Ooops, no, I can see where you might think that was MY opinion, Maguru, but it was a shooting-elephants-in-his-pajamas construction. When I said "that kind of thinking," I was referring to MY OWN statements about science and physics not being advanced enough yet to provide definitive answers to questions of consciousness and what happens to it after death, NOT to your being unwilling to be convinced by evidence that doesn't fall in the realm of science and physics. I was referring to a propensity around here for some people to declare people who make statements like mine (bolded above) to be dangerous and delusional. Now that I re-read your quote above, I'm not completely sure you're not one of those people!

Sorry about that confusion! I certainly don't think your opinions are dangerous or delusional.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I am only at the speculating stage that everything is energy. How do we change this concept into a reality?

A study of physics would clear up your speculation. And you change this concept into a reality through meditation.