LOA is darkwork

[Adelina]

The LOA basis, to ask, and receive,

is darkwork.

It is focused on the having and being (energy inflow), rather than the doing and giving (energy outflow).


Further,
If you focus on the energy of things and materials, this is a low, dense vibration.

If you focus on the energy of purpose, and action, this is a higher, light vibration.

The material things you need on your way come automatically.

[jawillie]

But to me, LoA just "IS" ~ it is not something you can turn on or off.

I am deciding to live more consciously and apply the LoA in my life, but whether I decide to do that or not, LoA is still at work.

[Adelina]

Okay, to clarify, the LOA as described in New Age literature and The Secret, is dark.

""In order to control this energy, proponents state that people must practice four things:

* Know what one desires and ask the universe for it. (The "universe" is mentioned broadly, stating that it can be anything the individual envisions it to be, from God to an unknown source of energy.)
* Focus one's thought upon the thing desired with great feeling such as enthusiasm or gratitude.
* Feel and behave as if the object of one's desire is already acquired.
* Be open to receiving it.""



From a rational view, this is rather silly. Why focus on things that you want? Why not focus on action, and the things you need will come to you?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Adelina

The LOA basis, to ask, and receive,

is darkwork.

It is focused on the having and being (energy inflow), rather than the doing and giving (energy outflow).

It all depends. For example, one could ask for, and receive, help and support, for the things that you want to do. And what you want to do may be related to giving.

I told Steve before - his lightwork / darkwork theories are just not very helpful concepts.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Adelina

From a rational view, this is rather silly. Why focus on things that you want? Why not focus on action, and the things you need will come to you?

Certainly you could focus on action. You may rationally expect that to help you as far as those specific actions can rationally help you. Which could be to a great extent. Or not.

[Adelina]

Why ask? This is like putting energy into the air, a lot of it is dissipated. And this is not very efficient use of energy.

Instead of mantras, lists, visualization, etc,

Why not channel the energy into action?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Why ask? This is like putting energy into the air, a lot of it is dissipated. And this is not very efficient use of energy.

Instead of mantras, lists, visualization, etc,

Why not channel the all the energy into action?

Good question. Your personal action certainly has great value.

However, it also has its limits. Furthermore, your mind itself often proves to be the limit / hindrance to how much action you can take, and the quality of those actions.

Eg you would like to exercise five times a week and get really fit. However you are too lazy / lack discipline / cannot find motivation. All these problems are mental in nature.

Being mental in nature, they need to be tackled in a mental way. For example, sportsmen may psyche themselves up by visualisation etc.

[Eisho]

Originally Posted by Adelina

The LOA basis, to ask, and receive,

is darkwork.

It is focused on the having and being (energy inflow), rather than the doing and giving (energy outflow).


Further,
If you focus on the energy of things and materials, this is a low, dense vibration.

If you focus on the energy of purpose, and action, this is a higher, light vibration.

The material things you need on your way come automatically.

What is 'darkwork'?

Eisho

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Adelina

The LOA basis, to ask, and receive,

is darkwork.

It is focused on the having and being (energy inflow), rather than the doing and giving (energy outflow).

I could also ask/desire to be a loving and giving parent. Than I align with that and I find myself more loving and giving towards my children, i.e. I got what I desired.
I could also ask to be a volunter at a soup kitchen, i align with that and it becomes so.

I could also ask to find a way to help the starving children in Africa (just to give a cliche example) and then I recieve money to send to them.

I could also desire for someone that I see in an unfortunate situation to recieve something better. I could visualize them having an improved situation. They may or may not benefit from this, depending on if they allow it or not.
(Some think that this is a more efficient way to help people than to actually help them physically, though you may feel "called" to help them if you align too. If you try to help them in the flesh without you aligning first, the """"UNIVERSE"""" has an infinite amount of ways to sabotage your good-meaning efforts.)

Hmm, it sounds like all that asking benefitted others as well, wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by Adelina

Further,
If you focus on the energy of things and materials, this is a low, dense vibration.

If you focus on the energy of purpose, and action, this is a higher, light vibration.

Well:
1. That is debatable. Even more debatable is if that makes it "lesser".
2. You assume that that is all you can use the LoA for. You can use the LoA for anything, and not just any thing.

Originally Posted by Adelina

The material things you need on your way come automatically.

You can intend for that too. You don't have to continually ask and intend for all the things that you need/want, no more than you have to continually intend for all the "less material" things that you want.

Originally Posted by Adelina

Okay, to clarify, the LOA as described in New Age literature and The Secret, is dark.

""In order to control this energy, proponents state that people must practice four things:

* Know what one desires and ask the universe for it. (The "universe" is mentioned broadly, stating that it can be anything the individual envisions it to be, from God to an unknown source of energy.)
* Focus one's thought upon the thing desired with great feeling such as enthusiasm or gratitude.
* Feel and behave as if the object of one's desire is already acquired.
* Be open to receiving it.""



From a rational view, this is rather silly. Why focus on things that you want? Why not focus on action, and the things you need will come to you?

Because when you align with what you want:
1. The action you take will be more enjoyable (you will enjoy the journey).
2. The """"UNIVERSE"""" will nugde and guide you in the right direction.
3. It may come to you more easily and more effectively.
4. The dreaming of what you desire may be very enjoyable, so much that it feels as good as to actually obtaining it (though this wont discourage you from obtaining the desire in the real world - it will creainly not discourage you from taking action).

Think about it: By just pushing through and not aligning with the wish first, you may love, but you may also hate, all that you have to do to attain it. You may also wind up stumped as to what you have to do or get to achieve the end that you are seeking. Whilst if you align with it, you will love what you "need" to do to attain it, and there will be much less frustration and worry over "what to do next". On top of that, you have the oppurtunity to take much greater pleasure in thinking and dreaming of the desire. I don't need to underline which option is the more rational.


And as jawillie wrote. it is widely agreed that the LoA works all the time, anyway.


As a side note: how much have you actually studied the LoA? Maby you have watched the Secret once, read some articles? Anyway, it's quite common for people to carelessly review the concepts in the LoA and than say why it is "less evolved", "materialistic", "lower consciuosness" and so on based on their very personal spiritual beliefs (they portray their own spiritual beliefs as though they are widely agreed on, even if that is debatable). I'm not accusing you, I just find it an amusing trend.

[Adelina]

Originally Posted by Elrond

I could also ask/desire to be a loving and giving parent.

Or you could be a loving and giving parent.

If you try to help them in the flesh without you aligning first, the """"UNIVERSE"""" has an infinite amount of ways to sabotage your good-meaning efforts.)

Oh really? What law is this?


Asking for these things is even worse than asking for your own material desires. Rather than act to help others, you are asking to help others. Why do you need one more degree of separation between yourself and action? Asking before doing just delays the manifestation of the energy.

Hmm, it sounds like all that asking benefitted others as well, wouldn't you agree?

No. Asking doesn't benefit anyone. Doing does.

LOA takes too much power away from people. It takes energy from the earth and action level, and into the ether, where the energy is dissipated.

LOA as a concept, can put people into the right frame of mind. But how it is used currently in New Age circles, takes too much power away from the followers, encouraging to ask some higher power,

rather than ACT.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Why focus on things that you want? Why not focus on action, and the things you need will come to you?

The things I want don't necessarily arise out of action -- at least not in the traditional sense of "moving your butt." The things I want arise out of my generating them -- which might be called "action," but not in the way you're thinking about action, I don't think.

Being receptive, accepting, and grateful (the basic tenets of the Law of Attraction) are a huge part of being a Conscious Generator. For instance, there are many people who scramble to make a difference in the world -- I'm thinking of the Pleaser People -- who give and give and give, who "act" their butts off, but hardly make a dent. What's often missing is being receptive, accepting, and grateful. What they end up generating is stress, resentment, exhaustion, and frustration -- not just for themselves, but for others, too! Exactly what they don't want, they end up creating for the world. Too funny, huh?

As far as I'm concerned, the Law of Attraction is just one fun tool for being a Conscious Generator. Being the SOURCE of what you want to provide -- being yourself an abundant, overflowing wellspring of what you would like to give to the world.

Action is wonderful, and your commitment to it is admirable. And if you are acting out of a way of being that you don't want, don't be surprised when your action is ineffective.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Or you could be a loving parent.

My point is that you can use the LoA for everything. The LoA isn't just for stuff or whatever else you may deem "lesser". It can be used to manifest yourself as a better person (by your own standards): more compassionate, more giving, more understanding... a better parent.

Here's a news flash: Most people aren't perfectly happy with themselves and how they behave. They may wish to be able to become an early riser, exercise more, eat more healthy, etc. You would perhaps advise them to "just do it", but it aint so easy. One way is to believe (or entertain a belief in) the LoA and try to align your desire from that.

Many people are not content with themself and their parenting. One can use the LoA to become a parent more close to ones ideal. It's not as easy to just "do it", just as it is not so easy to just become an early riser or to attain peek fitness.

Originally Posted by Adelina

Oh really? What law is this?

Yah rly. It's the LoA. If you don't align with your desire, you will have a much harder time to manifest what you desire. But of course, it won't be impossible because you believe that you will manifest what you desire as long as you take action. And if you take action, you will have a belief in that what you are working towards will be realized. Because after all; why shouldn't it? I'm taking action, therefor it must come. And so it comes.

It isn't so much that the Universe (through the LoA) tries to spoil your party, but rather that it works consistently. And if you don't align yourself with it, your efforts towards realizing your goals will be less than efficient. Just like an architecht has to align himself with the laws of physics if he is to build a functional structure. (It is a wide belief that the LoA is just as consistent as any physical law, or even moreso.)

Originally Posted by Adelina

Asking for these things is even worse. Rather than act to help others, you are asking to help others. Why do you need one more degree of separation between yourself and action? Asking before doing just delays the manifestation of the energy.

One of the major tenets in the LoA is that thoughts are powerful, so to think positive thoughts on this matter may be more beneficial than to seek out to help them with an underlying fear-based mindset. This is a pretty big part of the LoA, have you really missed it?

Originally Posted by Adelina

No. Asking doesn't benefit anyone. Doing does.

This statement implies that aligning with your desire negates action, but it doesn't. If you align with your desire, you may very well take action, mabe even more than someone with more of a fear-based mindset.

Originally Posted by Adelina

LOA takes too much power away from people. It takes energy from the earth and action level, and into the ether, where the energy is dissipated.

Oh really? What law is this?

Originally Posted by Adelina

LOA as a concept, can put people into the right frame of mind. But how it is used currently in New Age circles, takes too much power away from the followers, encouraging to ask some higher power,

rather than ACT.

When you are "asking", you aren't activating the LoA. The LoA works all the time. It rather means that you use it deliberately.


Your "problem" is that you don't know how the LoA operates, by common understanding. I suggest you search the IM forum (or google), as these types of answers have been given dozens of times before.

[dave marshall]

Hi,

I completely agree with ALG, this lightwork/darkwork thing is totally unhelpful and confusing.

Your beliefs attracting/creating events has nothing to do with these ideas and those who post here talking about light and dark work should understand that thses are just steve's ideas!!!!! they are not true, just a way that he has proposed that he thinks is useful, how they do not have to be real or true for anyone else!!!

In the longer term, I guarantee they will aslo limit your personal expression and that, in the journey of complete self expression is not helpful,

Loa is simply an understanding that your life experience reflects and is an expression of who you think you are, nothing more, nothing less, it is not dark, light, purple, green, amber or any other colour!!!

Dave

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Okay, to clarify, the LOA as described in New Age literature and The Secret, is dark.

""In order to control this energy, proponents state that people must practice four things:

* Know what one desires and ask the universe for it. (The "universe" is mentioned broadly, stating that it can be anything the individual envisions it to be, from God to an unknown source of energy.)
* Focus one's thought upon the thing desired with great feeling such as enthusiasm or gratitude.
* Feel and behave as if the object of one's desire is already acquired.
* Be open to receiving it.""



From a rational view, this is rather silly. Why focus on things that you want? Why not focus on action, and the things you need will come to you?

I don't like the way LOA has been presented. I think it is spiritual materialism. The presentation aside, I agree with Jawillie. You live according to the Law of Attraction anyway.

What we do and what we have is not as important as who we are. And what we are defines the other two. For example, I am a machinist. I have a certain set of tools, a certain aspect of knowledge and am involved in certain activities related to machining. If I were to say "I am a yoga teacher". There would be a different set of tools and activities involved with being a yoga teacher. Eventually, I would no longer be able to be a machinist because I no longer have the skillset to do that job. LOA is about consciously determining who you are.

Many people allow circumstances to define who they are which prevents them from getting what they want. A person who wants to lose weight has the perception that they are fat. They may try different diets and exercise routines, but find it difficult to stick with it. It's because they have defined themselves as fat, so they do what fat people do and have what fat people have. They have to make a change on the inside before their external circumstances will change.

[jawillie]

I don't understand why everyone thinks it is all based on materialism. Nothing I have read has stated it that way. The core of EVERY message I have received is that if you focus on ESSENCE, Form will come. Not the other way around.

Every message I receive says focus on BEING and Having will come.

I have not read ONE book or seen ONE message that says, "Focus on getting that car and you will be happy." Not ONE.

So I think people who cling to saying it is based on materialism clearly are seeing it through their own limiting beliefs.

[Eisho]

Originally Posted by Elrond

And as jawillie wrote. it is widely agreed that the LoA works all the time, anyway.

Agreed on by whom?

Originally Posted by Elrond

As a side note: how much have you actually studied the LoA? Maby you have watched the Secret once, read some articles? Anyway, it's quite common for people to carelessly review the concepts in the LoA and than say why it is "less evolved", "materialistic", "lower consciuosness" and so on based on their very personal spiritual beliefs (they portray their own spiritual beliefs as though they are widely agreed on, even if that is debatable). I'm not accusing you, I just find it an amusing trend.

I have studied the LoA and as far as I can tell it doesn't exist. All you have is a bunch of subjective definitions and understandings of what the LoA is supported by anecdotal evidence.

Cheers,

Eisho

[supertom]

"14. Miracles attest to truth. They are convincing because they arise from conviction.
Without conviction, they deteriorate into magic, which is mindless, and therefore
destructive, or rather, the uncreative use of Mind."
15. Every Each day should be devoted to miracles. (God created time so that man
could use it creatively, and convince himself of his own ability to create. Time is a teaching
device, and a means to an end. It will cease when it is no longer useful for facilitating
learning.)
SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS: Notes on this course have to be taken only under good
learning conditions. The same goes for review periods. I will tell you when, but REMEMBER
TO ASK.)
16. Miracles are teaching devices for demonstrating that it is more blessed to give
than to receive. They simultaneously increase the reserve strength of the giver, and supply
the lack of strength in the receiver. BE VERY CAREFUL in interpreting this.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Eisho

Agreed on by whom?

By the powers that be, silly

Seriously though, what I meant was that it is agreed upon by many if not most of the teachers and practictioners of the LoA that it is something that is in effect all of the time.

Originally Posted by Eisho

I have studied the LoA and as far as I can tell it doesn't exist. All you have is a bunch of subjective definitions and understandings of what the LoA is supported by anecdotal evidence.

Cheers,

Eisho

I directed the question towards the OP, but you probably knew that.

The real question is if it can be proven scientifically, through empirical experiments. I think not. See a little over halfway through this post:

Isn't LOA really GOD!!!!

It is painfully ironic that you would say this in the spirituality (and other stuff) forum; a place littered with anecdotes of "spiritual" experiences and highly controversial theories on how the Universe and beyond operates. Yet, I don't find many threads that tries to debunk philosophies and schools-of-thoughts by the argument that they're just supported by anectdotal "evidence" (which aren't?) and not by some empirical standards. At least I have not seen any as long as I have been on this forum (I lurked for some time before I joined).

I could go and start a thread where I say that X philosophy/religion/guru is false, as far as I can tell and after some study. Buddhism must probably be false, because after all, it is just based on a few persons (the buddhas and some more?) anectdotal experiences, right? I could go and say that OBE's are probably not real, and that karma is probably not real and... But what good would that do? I wouldn't be able to "convert" anyone. I would just be expressing an opinion that is shared by probably the mother, the mailman, the brother etc of those that believe in controversial stuff. They already know that what they believe in is controversial.

What do I do when I see a thread discussing that Subjective Reality - a concept I don't believe in - is a concept for the "low conscious" people? I don't post a reply where I say that there is no basis to believe in SR. I just bugger out. No need to state the opinion of 99 percent of the populace.


This wasn't an attack on you, btw. I just find it weird.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Eisho

I have studied the LoA and as far as I can tell it doesn't exist. All you have is a bunch of subjective definitions and understandings of what the LoA is supported by anecdotal evidence.

Clearly you haven't studied it very well then.

LOA is such an all-encompassing theory that it would be unlikely that science would study it directly. On the other hand, LOA is such an all-encompassing theory that it would be unlikely that science would have failed to have studied it indirectly, or studied particular aspects of it.

For starters, you may wish to look up the "consciousness causes collapse" theory" in quantum physics; or Dr Guang Yue's research on how visualising gym workouts will increase muscular strength; or the Russian scientists' research into the abilities of psychic Nina Kulagina; or the works of Nobel Physics Laureate Brian Josephson into telepathy; or the concept of synchronicity as explained by Carl Jung, the founder of modern psychology; or Stanford professor William Tiller's experiment concerning on how meditators affect fruit fly development; or Harvard Professor Robert Rosenthal's experiment on how teachers' beliefs in the abilities of their young students affect the ability of their students; or Gary Schwartz's research into "faith healing" phenomena; or Dean Radin's double-blind experiment on how thought affects the molecular structure of water crystals etc etc.

And that, really, was just for starters ....

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Adelina

The LOA basis, to ask, and receive,

is darkwork.

It is focused on the having and being (energy inflow), rather than the doing and giving (energy outflow).

You inhale before you exhale. When you draw energy towards yourself, you naturally reach a state, at some point or another, where it feels perfectly normal to send energy out again. But if you were to inhale continuously, you would be out of balance. But again, I say, you inhale before you exhale. You may think breathing has nothing to with this in actually, but the duality that comprises the world of form is reflected through all sectors of reality from the microcosm to the macrocosm.

If you don't collect energy (like source energy for example), you have nothing to give anyway. Cultivating self for selfish reasons is different from cultivating self for integration with others.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Clearly you haven't studied it very well then.

LOA is such an all-encompassing theory that it would be unlikely that science would study it directly. On the other hand, LOA is such an all-encompassing theory that it would be unlikely that science would have failed to have studied it indirectly, or studied particular aspects of it.

For starters, you may wish to look up the "consciousness causes collapse" theory" in quantum physics; or Dr Guang Yue's research on how visualising gym workouts will increase muscular strength; or the Russian scientists' research into the abilities of psychic Nina Kulagina; or the works of Nobel Physics Laureate Brian Josephson into telepathy; or the concept of synchronicity as explained by Carl Jung, the founder of modern psychology; or Stanford professor William Tiller's experiment concerning on how meditators affect fruit fly development; or Harvard Professor Robert Rosenthal's experiment on how teachers' beliefs in the abilities of their young students affect the ability of their students; or Gary Schwartz's research into "faith healing" phenomena; or Dean Radin's double-blind experiment on how thought affects the molecular structure of water crystals etc etc.

And that, really, was just for starters ....

LoA does not have a scientific basis. That's fine, but please don't pretend it does. Most of those tests, so far as I know from your mention of them in other threads, are flawed.

Also, just because Carl Jung claimed something, certainly doesn't mean it is widely accepted. Freud certainly said a lot of things, too, some of which are accepted, and some of which are just crazy. You're appealing to authority.

We don't know scientifically if it is true. People can still believe in it, of course, because people believe in all sorts of things that don't have any scientific basis.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

<snip>...You may think breathing has nothing to with this in actually, but the duality that comprises the world of form is reflected through all sectors of reality from the microcosm to the macrocosm.

Yes. "On Earth as it is in Heaven." Everything is an analogy for something else. Thus information can be got from astrology, numerology, and even the leaves in your teacup if you could puzzle it out.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

LoA does not have a scientific basis. That's fine, but please don't pretend it does. Most of those tests, so far as I know from your mention of them in other threads, are flawed.

Also, just because Carl Jung claimed something, certainly doesn't mean it is widely accepted. Freud certainly said a lot of things, too, some of which are accepted, and some of which are just crazy. You're appealing to authority.

We don't know scientifically if it is true. People can still believe in it, of course, because people believe in all sorts of things that don't have any scientific basis.

Going off the above definition that I gave for LOA, I think there would be evidence to prove this is true. I will appeal to your logic before I go off collecting studies, though.

My thoughts, particularly the ones about me, affect me on a physiological level. This, in turn, affects my perception of myself, the world and my behavior in it. It also changes how others perceive me.

These changes in my perception, behavior and the perception of others changes the choices I see available to me, the choices I will make and the actual opportunities that exist.

Even if we look at the basic "Ask, Believe, Receive" formula given in the Secret, we can see how this is being applied. As Adelina posted earlier:

* Know what one desires and ask the universe for it. (The "universe" is mentioned broadly, stating that it can be anything the individual envisions it to be, from God to an unknown source of energy.)

Defining thought as opposed to habitual or reactive thinking.

* Focus one's thought upon the thing desired with great feeling such as enthusiasm or gratitude.

Creating a change at the physiological level.

* Feel and behave as if the object of one's desire is already acquired.

Effects perception of self, world; how one behaves; how others perceive self.

* Be open to receiving it.""

Perception of options available, making different choices and change in opportunities that exist.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

Going off the above definition that I gave for LOA, I think there would be evidence to prove this is true. I will appeal to your logic before I go off collecting studies, though.

My thoughts, particularly the ones about me, affect me on a physiological level. This, in turn, affects my perception of myself, the world and my behavior in it. It also changes how others perceive me.

These changes in my perception, behavior and the perception of others changes the choices I see available to me, the choices I will make and the actual opportunities that exist.

Even if we look at the basic "Ask, Believe, Receive" formula given in the Secret, we can see how this is being applied. As Adelina posted earlier:



Defining thought as opposed to habitual or reactive thinking.



Creating a change at the physiological level.



Effects perception of self, world; how one behaves; how others perceive self.



Perception of options available, making different choices and change in opportunities that exist.

Oh, I agree with your definition. I just don't think it's something magical where we can just think about something and it will eventually come, without taking any action on our part. That's mostly what I'm arguing against.

[veranadine]

If you skip the modern package called the "Law of Attraction" and go right to the source, the ancient Hermetic Principles from which this stuff is extracted, you will find a much more balanced and light-filled perspective on thought, vibration and manifestation.

Try the Kybalion, which you can download free at Gutenberg.

Blessings,

[Adelina]

Basically, I am concerned with how this 'law of attraction' is presented,

because it takes the point of power away from people and into the ether, and seems to encourage people to focus on things that are lower energy than they would otherwise.


For instance, most people, with a path and purpose, will focus on their destination, and the things they need on the way will automatically come to them.

If your heart and purpose tell you to go to San Francisco, you keep your eyes on the highest objective, on your destination, and everything you need along the way will come automatically.

By the LoA model, people often shift their focus on the rest stops along the way. They shift to the little things, and the piecewise goals,

This shifts down to a lower energy and vibration, and takes the energy away from the highest objective.


If you keep your head up, to the high energy action and purpose level, everything on the material level will come automatically.

There is no need to keep your head to the ground, in asking or wishing, or even materialism mode, as LoA most commonly encourages.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Adelina

For instance, most people, with a path and purpose, will focus on their destination, and the things they need on the way will automatically come to them.

I think you're right about this. Of course, you have to remember that a lot of the people in here are quite young and there are a lot of "things" they don't have, and some things they desperately need but haven't had time to work out how to get. they're anxious that they might never have "it". Once you get old enough to have proved to yourself that the hot pursuit of material things is rather empty, I think it becomes easier to look a bit higher.

As I've posted elsewhere, after a number of months studying this LOA thing, I'm pretty much dropping back to just living the best life I know how, learning, and being grateful. It's already been demonstrated to me that what I need will be provided.

This won't stop me from sending specific intentions out into the ether, but it does make the result less important to me.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Adelina

because it takes the point of power away from people and into the ether, and seems to encourage people to focus on things that are lower energy than they would otherwise.

I disagree. The focus of deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when you think them is one that is in alignment with operating at a high level of consciousness.

I don't think a goal or destination is a "highest objective." It's only a signpost. Focus on a signpost is a great way to crash on the side of the road.

Instead, a way of being -- that is, being the Source of what you'd like to generate for yourself and for the world -- that's what I would call a "highest objective."

While I recognize that not everyone uses the LoA to generate ways of being, instead focusing on parking spots or mazzerattis, still they are at the perfect point for themselves, as they see more and more layers of who they really are. Not everyone is ready to look their heart's desire square in the face; sometimes people need to sneak up on it -- to "pad" it by believing a material manifestation will leave them satisfied and fulfilled. That's fine.

I would say that if you're concerned about people being lured into a lower vibration, it would be wise to be a guide to (a Source of) higher conscious vibration -- in other words, rather than trying to get people to get away from something, be what it is you'd like to make available to the world. It's much easier and more fun to go towards what you want than to get away from what you don't. Turn towards what you want.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

I think you're right about this. Of course, you have to remember that a lot of the people in here are quite young and there are a lot of "things" they don't have, and some things they desperately need but haven't had time to work out how to get. they're anxious that they might never have "it". Once you get old enough to have proved to yourself that the hot pursuit of material things is rather empty, I think it becomes easier to look a bit higher.

As I've posted elsewhere, after a number of months studying this LOA thing, I'm pretty much dropping back to just living the best life I know how, learning, and being grateful. It's already been demonstrated to me that what I need will be provided.

This won't stop me from sending specific intentions out into the ether, but it does make the result less important to me.

Have you really been studying the LoA for months? Cause you have a pretty superficial understanding of it.
Oh well, I guess me believing in this LoA-thingy is just a phase I'm going through, all anxious and insecure that I am. (Oooh, the young apprentice shows a defiant and rebellious side! )


EDIT: BTW, Angela's way of using the LoA is pretty much what I try to do.

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Have you really been studying the LoA for months? Cause you have a pretty superficial understanding of it. )

LOL... I'll leave that up to your judgement.

Oh well, I guess me believing in this LoA-thingy is just a phase I'm going through, all anxious and insecure that I am. (Oooh, the young apprentice shows a defiant and rebellious side! )

No need to be defensive. If it works for you, fine.

If you mean to defy and rebel against me, you're barking up the wrong tree, my friend. I've been raging against the machine for a very long time.

You might want to honestly analyze your reaction to my post.

(Oooh, the old fart acts all superior and stuff...)