Is the spirit world just the one truth or is there more than this?

[Orange]

I have really adopted the belif of the spirit world in the way that erin discribes in the most recent podcast. It really did it for me I really thought.. this must be the way things work.. but now thinking about it, it seems a bit weird that that is the truth, when there could be so many other things. Is erins idea of the spirit world just what is real becuase of intention manifestation? Does IM go on to the spirit world too? Her belifs seem very reasonable to me but.. maby thats just becuase thats what she belives so thats the reality she has formed and the same for everyone else that takes on this particular belif.

[pianoperformer]

I'm really not sure yet.

Realistically, the options are as follows:

1. She's imagining it
2. She is misunderstanding or misinterpreting it
3. It is true

I'm undecided about #1. I mean that, I'm not yet sure whether a spirit world exists.

Curiously, her notion of it seems really similar to what other mediums say, maybe differing in minor details at most. So, if she is imagining it, everyone else is imagining the same exact thing for some reason. If she is misinterpreting it, then everyone else is also misinterpreting it, which is unlikely, if the spirit world does exist.

Therefore, I think that if the spirit world does exist, it is probably as she says.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Orange

I have really adopted the belif of the spirit world in the way that erin discribes in the most recent podcast. It really did it for me I really thought.. this must be the way things work.. but now thinking about it, it seems a bit weird that that is the truth, when there could be so many other things. Is erins idea of the spirit world just what is real becuase of intention manifestation? Does IM go on to the spirit world too? Her belifs seem very reasonable to me but.. maby thats just becuase thats what she belives so thats the reality she has formed and the same for everyone else that takes on this particular belif.

You're right, that is, if IM in the sense that you mean exists


Have you thought that "there could be so many other things", as you said, than IM?

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Realistically, the options are as follows:

1. She's imagining it
2. She is misunderstanding or misinterpreting it
3. It is true

Without implying anything whatsoever, I am curious as to why you don't include the possibility that Erin is making it all up. Aren't there cases of clever people lying in order to make a good living?

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Without implying anything whatsoever, I am curious as to why you don't include the possibility that Erin is making it all up. Aren't there cases of clever people lying in order to make a good living?

True; I didn't really think of that option. I figure anyone here would trust her implicitly, and we can't really prove it one way or the other, anyway.

[daj]

I don't think any of us see the BIG PICTURE, not Erin or Steve or any of the personal development gurus out there. Technically we can't because were stuck in these bodies and reality is dictated too us by what we see, hear, smell, taste, feel. We never see the "whole spectrum".

My conclusion is that Erin just reverberates information she has digested from different sources. We all do this but just add our personal touches(life stories) to it to make it seem unique?

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by daj

I don't think any of us see the BIG PICTURE, not Erin or Steve or any of the personal development gurus out there. Technically we can't because were stuck in these bodies and reality is dictated too us by what we see, hear, smell, taste, feel. We never see the "whole spectrum".

My conclusion is that Erin just reverberates information she has digested from different sources. We all do this but just add our personal touches(life stories) to it to make it seem unique?

I have to disagree with this. I'm pretty sure she's experienced this sort of thing even since she was a teenager, before she would have had much exposure to the ideas that are out there. To me, the most likely is that she is actually experiencing all of this and so it is as she says, or else she is imagining it.

[daj]

I personally started reading spiritual books at a very young age, and soon after reading them I would experience different spiritual events related to what the books mentioned. The information I digested from the books either made me hallucinate/imagine certain events, or caused them to actually happen.

[Erin Pavlina]

Erin here.

I'm a big believer in personal experience. I draw my conclusions based on my own personal experiences, not what I read in books. I have sought out more information on an experience after I've had it. But usually I expereince first and research second. You can only have so many of these experiences before you have to conclude that there is something beyond the mundane happening here.

But people are right to question everything I say, until they experience it for themselves.

The other aspect to all of this is that I have memories of my time in the afterlife. I've always had them. It's like there was a glitch and when I came down the veil wasn't drawn. For years I thought I was crazy nutso to have these memories, so I discounted them as real. But when I finally adopted the viewpoint that maybe the memories are real and it's just rare to have memories of an afterlife/prelife, then a lot more things made sense.

I absolutely believe no one should take what I say without testing it for themselves. But you can use my experiences as a clue to get started on your own journey. I'm a road map.

For me, I have no doubt that I speak to dead people. I have no doubt that I am able to speak to beings outside the corporeal. But I also have no doubt that I don't know everything. I'm certain I don't have the whole story. But I'm not going to deny the parts of the story I do have. And I constantly seek to refine my knowledge through experience.

Experiment. Open your mind. Seek the experiences and then decide if they're real or not.

[pianoperformer]

Erin, really good post.

Has it been the case with most things that you've experienced it before learning about it from external sources? For instance, did you experience chakras personally before you read about them?

That's really fascinating, though.

[Mato Kinze]

The way I've come to understand things is that "Reality" is like a giant iceberg - onion.

"WTF??", you ask?

Let me explain it this way:

What we perceive is only a very small portion of what "is" - like the tip of an iceberg. But the farther we get from the iceberg, the better our perception of the whole. Some people are farther from the iceberg than others, but no one is far enough away to see the whole thing.

"Ok..." you say. "But what about the 'onion' part?"

There's two ways to look at reality: One is inner and one is outer. The iceberg analogy is for the outer. The onion analogy is for the inner. The iceberg is like an onion (or Ogre...) it has layers. The deeper one travels 'into' the iceberg, the more one discovers.

The iceberg is both infinitely large and infinitly 'deep'.

Therefore, no one can truly grasp even the totality of one of the aspects, much less both (and I suspect there are more dimensions than just the two I mentioned, but my human mind can't grasp those at the moment).

So, back to the question: "Is the spirit world just the one truth or is there more than this?" the answer is "yes". Both are true.

When we cease to separate our experience of "the Spirit World" and our physical existence and start to accept that they are one in the same, we get to both step back from and into the iceberg onion.

[Orange]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Erin here.

I'm a big believer in personal experience. I draw my conclusions based on my own personal experiences, not what I read in books. I have sought out more information on an experience after I've had it. But usually I expereince first and research second. You can only have so many of these experiences before you have to conclude that there is something beyond the mundane happening here.

But people are right to question everything I say, until they experience it for themselves.

The other aspect to all of this is that I have memories of my time in the afterlife. I've always had them. It's like there was a glitch and when I came down the veil wasn't drawn. For years I thought I was crazy nutso to have these memories, so I discounted them as real. But when I finally adopted the viewpoint that maybe the memories are real and it's just rare to have memories of an afterlife/prelife, then a lot more things made sense.

I absolutely believe no one should take what I say without testing it for themselves. But you can use my experiences as a clue to get started on your own journey. I'm a road map.

For me, I have no doubt that I speak to dead people. I have no doubt that I am able to speak to beings outside the corporeal. But I also have no doubt that I don't know everything. I'm certain I don't have the whole story. But I'm not going to deny the parts of the story I do have. And I constantly seek to refine my knowledge through experience.

Experiment. Open your mind. Seek the experiences and then decide if they're real or not.

I think if somone was to take it as a raod map and went in that direction they would start to find things that reinforces it being true untill the stage that it is actuly true. The same as other belifs i guess if you follow them it will make that one become just as true as anything else.

[Erin Pavlina]

Follow all the beliefs, try them all on for size, and see what rings true for you and empowers you the most.

As Mato so eloquently explained it... maybe you'll end up on a different side of the iceberg than me, but we're all looking at the same iceberg.

I enjoy my current belief system. It helps me, it helps me help others, it brings me peace, joy and happiness.

[amixa]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Erin here.

The other aspect to all of this is that I have memories of my time in the afterlife. I've always had them. It's like there was a glitch and when I came down the veil wasn't drawn. For years I thought I was crazy nutso to have these memories, so I discounted them as real. But when I finally adopted the viewpoint that maybe the memories are real and it's just rare to have memories of an afterlife/prelife, then a lot more things made sense.

hmm I apologize if this is written in your blog already or in the podcast (as i didn't listen to all of it) but what kind of memories are you referring to? I'm curious, as I have one memory (if its a memory?) that is quite interesting and I feel it to have been real.. because it produced a very vivid image in my head.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Erin here.

I'm a big believer in personal experience. I draw my conclusions based on my own personal experiences, not what I read in books. I have sought out more information on an experience after I've had it. But usually I expereince first and research second. You can only have so many of these experiences before you have to conclude that there is something beyond the mundane happening here.

But people are right to question everything I say, until they experience it for themselves.

The other aspect to all of this is that I have memories of my time in the afterlife. I've always had them. It's like there was a glitch and when I came down the veil wasn't drawn. For years I thought I was crazy nutso to have these memories, so I discounted them as real. But when I finally adopted the viewpoint that maybe the memories are real and it's just rare to have memories of an afterlife/prelife, then a lot more things made sense.

I absolutely believe no one should take what I say without testing it for themselves. But you can use my experiences as a clue to get started on your own journey. I'm a road map.

For me, I have no doubt that I speak to dead people. I have no doubt that I am able to speak to beings outside the corporeal. But I also have no doubt that I don't know everything. I'm certain I don't have the whole story. But I'm not going to deny the parts of the story I do have. And I constantly seek to refine my knowledge through experience.

Experiment. Open your mind. Seek the experiences and then decide if they're real or not.

If you mean to 'seek the experience' within as a spiritual experience, then I have done this experiment many times and then researched it on the net. Incredible to find information that was completely new to me. However, I believe the memory of 'spiritual experience' is real but the conclusions drawn are merely reflections from whole self consciousness.

I truly cannot accept that dead people are hanging around in limbo communicating in riddles, as in John Edwards communications. I would not wish that on my dearly departed and nor for myself. You say you have memories of experiences of the after life, so how does speaking with dead people now correspond with this?

[Janie]

Hi! I've had a few "strange" things happen to me. Some are from childhood remembering. I remember at about age 7, I sat on the floor & stared at my own hand for what seemed a very long time. I felt as if the "hand" did not belong to me. It was astrange feeling for sure. I asked my Mom, & of course got some answer like "GOD made you." I still believe it was childlike, almost a fantasy. Now I know it is connected to "awareness". I didn't connect with the word "hand" either. Somewhere along the line I lost the ability to feel what I felt that day. I am ALWAYS doing the "dejavu". No explaination. Anyone have anything to add?
JANIE

[Erin Pavlina]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I truly cannot accept that dead people are hanging around in limbo communicating in riddles, as in John Edwards communications. I would not wish that on my dearly departed and nor for myself. You say you have memories of experiences of the after life, so how does speaking with dead people now correspond with this?

I wouldn't characterize it as dead people hanging around in limbo communicating in riddles. Think of it this way. You go on about yoru life and then the phone rings. Someone you know wants to communicate with you. Do you stop to answer the phone or just let it ring? Spirits are not hanging out, they're doing their thing on the other side, but when an opportunity comes along for communication, some (not all!) take it.

Also they're not trying to communicate in riddles, but it's complicated. Sometimes they just tell me something outright (i.e. "Ask her about the time we were in jail together") and sometimes I am shown something visual (apple falling on someone's head at the park) and sometimes I just get a feeling in my body (boy my head hurts, feels like I was shot in teh head or something) and other times it's just a knowing-ness.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I wouldn't characterize it as dead people hanging around in limbo communicating in riddles. Think of it this way. You go on about yoru life and then the phone rings. Someone you know wants to communicate with you. Do you stop to answer the phone or just let it ring? Spirits are not hanging out, they're doing their thing on the other side, but when an opportunity comes along for communication, some (not all!) take it.

Also they're not trying to communicate in riddles, but it's complicated. Sometimes they just tell me something outright (i.e. "Ask her about the time we were in jail together") and sometimes I am shown something visual (apple falling on someone's head at the park) and sometimes I just get a feeling in my body (boy my head hurts, feels like I was shot in teh head or something) and other times it's just a knowing-ness.

Ok it's possible dead people are communicating consistently but we are not consistently listening so I'll forget the riddles but why a dead person will give only initials instead of full name beats me.

I read your blog on afterlife and although you feel connected to them, where are these dead people? You describe various employment they have and various stages of death. They aren't in heaven or hell. They are not reconnected to oneness. I don't wish this for my loved ones or myself after death. Is there a choice?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

The way I've come to understand things is that "Reality" is like a giant iceberg - onion.

"WTF??", you ask?

Let me explain it this way:

What we perceive is only a very small portion of what "is" - like the tip of an iceberg. But the farther we get from the iceberg, the better our perception of the whole. Some people are farther from the iceberg than others, but no one is far enough away to see the whole thing.

"Ok..." you say. "But what about the 'onion' part?"

There's two ways to look at reality: One is inner and one is outer. The iceberg analogy is for the outer. The onion analogy is for the inner. The iceberg is like an onion (or Ogre...) it has layers. The deeper one travels 'into' the iceberg, the more one discovers.

The iceberg is both infinitely large and infinitly 'deep'.

Therefore, no one can truly grasp even the totality of one of the aspects, much less both (and I suspect there are more dimensions than just the two I mentioned, but my human mind can't grasp those at the moment).

So, back to the question: "Is the spirit world just the one truth or is there more than this?" the answer is "yes". Both are true.

When we cease to separate our experience of "the Spirit World" and our physical existence and start to accept that they are one in the same, we get to both step back from and into the iceberg onion.

In stepping back from, and into, the iceberg onion, how does that affect the human being?