Is the spirit world just the one truth or is there more than this?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

Hi Magru,

Do you have a clear memory accompanying the physical experience of being born human (or being in you mum's womb or before) ?

: )

No but my mum does.

[philm]

lol Maggru,

Seems 'the fact' of what you physically experienced relies on your memory of what you were 'told'.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

lol Maggru,

Seems 'the fact' of what you physically experienced relies on your memory of what you were 'told'.

I think this is too obvious an example. We all have childhood experiences that we cannot recall. Having memory of experiencing an afterlife begins in the mind not in a physical experience. What was your experience?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

I suppose. But to me both are experiences of self in relation to the Universe. Inner or outer really doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

Well somewhere in amongst the experiences is awareness of self. My relationship with the universe is the mirror of my inner and outer self. The experiences are given meaning from my perception and may or may not be true, but what is always true is that I am the consciousness of the experiences and what I think, feel and do always reflects my whole self.

I believe this is the grand scheme of things to be fully aware of self.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Well somewhere in amongst the experiences is awareness of self. My relationship with the universe is the mirror of my inner and outer self. The experiences are given meaning from my perception and may or may not be true, but what is always true is that I am the consciousness of the experiences and what I think, feel and do always reflects my whole self.

I believe this is the grand scheme of things to be fully aware of self.

Hmmmm... There's Truth in this. I'm just not sure where/what. I'll have to roll this around and poke it with a stick for a while.

Thanks.

[philm]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I think this is too obvious an example. We all have childhood experiences that we cannot recall. Having memory of experiencing an afterlife begins in the mind not in a physical experience. What was your experience?

To be honest, i haven't clearly directly experienced what will happen in the 'afterlife' or recall the experience of birth. Sometimes you get hunches but nothing is absolutely fixed or destined so its not something to worry about.

In meditation years ago i (accidently) came across what might be best described as past life memories and dying. Truth is, its like floating up off to sleep except you end up awake & aware of everything yet there's no body functioning.

So, for me, the afterlife is more a continuation. Death is just a rest between breathes. Awareness or consciousness doesn't ever die (or is born).

Because of all this its more important what you're doing now & how many lies we're telling ourselves getting distracted in all of life's ego sidetracks - sorry 'experiences'. In fact the older i get the more i see iv been engaged in. Its a sad struggle we end up rolling around in all too easily despite the best intentions to be happy and avoid pain.

best wishes my friend : )

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

To be honest, i haven't clearly directly experienced what will happen in the 'afterlife' or recall the experience of birth. Sometimes you get hunches but nothing is absolutely fixed or destined so its not something to worry about.

In meditation years ago i (accidently) came across what might be best described as past life memories and dying. Truth is, its like floating up off to sleep except you end up awake & aware of everything yet there's no body functioning.

So, for me, the afterlife is more a continuation. Death is just a rest between breathes. Awareness or consciousness doesn't ever die (or is born).

Because of all this its more important what you're doing now & how many lies we're telling ourselves getting distracted in all of life's ego sidetracks - sorry 'experiences'. In fact the older i get the more i see iv been engaged in. Its a sad struggle we end up rolling around in all too easily despite the best intentions to be happy and avoid pain.

best wishes my friend : )

Interesting. During the experience of remembering past lives, did you feel as though you were another person in another place? In other words, did you remember being someone else?

[philm]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Interesting. During the experience of remembering past lives, did you feel as though you were another person in another place? In other words, did you remember being someone else?

Magru, i wasn't ever actually someone. Its more a case of same old same old. Its the same Mind just a different picture show with lots of distractions to get hooked into.

Was married, or hooked up, seemingly content in my little world. Worked the farm in the French countryside a couple of hundred years ago or thereabouts.

Then was shot with a single shot in the left shoulder for not paying taxes or a gambling debt i think. Then what seemed a slow 'death' drifting off.

Luckily that parts still waiting to happen.

all the best : )

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Orange

I have really adopted the belif of the spirit world in the way that erin discribes in the most recent podcast. It really did it for me I really thought.. this must be the way things work.. but now thinking about it, it seems a bit weird that that is the truth, when there could be so many other things. Is erins idea of the spirit world just what is real becuase of intention manifestation? Does IM go on to the spirit world too? Her belifs seem very reasonable to me but.. maby thats just becuase thats what she belives so thats the reality she has formed and the same for everyone else that takes on this particular belif.

I believe all truths originate from within. As we gain experience of life our truth changes. Our perception of self and perception of the world changes. As we change we discover other truths e.g spirit world. When a sense of self is accepted and is in harmony with the present truth i.e. a medium, artist, etc; then this becomes a way of life.

I believe we are all looking for a truth that we can 'stick' to. Good luck

[NancyJ]

Hi All,

I have to admit that if you would have asked me about this 6 months ago I would have had some serious doubts and questions, but since I have delved into awakening my spiritual self and since I have become certified in Reiki I have had some wild experiences of my own that leads me to believe Erin is not so off target. I have had some psychic experiences that I cannot deny. I get info about people that I would have no way of knowing. This is all so new to me and the reason why I joined this community. I am looking for some support and guidence on how to handle and control this new part of me.

NancyJ

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

Magru, i wasn't ever actually someone. Its more a case of same old same old. Its the same Mind just a different picture show with lots of distractions to get hooked into.

Was married, or hooked up, seemingly content in my little world. Worked the farm in the French countryside a couple of hundred years ago or thereabouts.

Then was shot with a single shot in the left shoulder for not paying taxes or a gambling debt i think. Then what seemed a slow 'death' drifting off.

Luckily that parts still waiting to happen.

all the best : )

I just wondered if it was as though you were watching the experience (or being the observer), or is it as though you are 'fully participating' in the experience? I think they are two different meditation experiences.

[philm]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I just wondered if it was as though you were watching the experience (or being the observer), or is it as though you are 'fully participating' in the experience? I think they are two different meditation experiences.

Maguru, good insight & yep, all that's for us to figure out whilst whilst our 'living' facilties are functioning and we can conceptualise everything to pieces or try and control our experiences how we like them to be or who we think we are.

But there's nothing left after that. Only awareness.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

Maguru, good insight & yep, all that's for us to figure out whilst whilst our 'living' facilties are functioning and we can conceptualise everything to pieces or try and control our experiences how we like them to be or who we think we are.

But there's nothing left after that. Only awareness.

Isn't awareness reliant on us for existence?

[philm]

Isn't awareness reliant on us for existence?

Yes, of course - if you think you're your body or brain.

In that case we're just making the best of what's left of our dying lump until we're dug in a hole or burnt off so we don't stink up the place for the rest of us.

How else would you know you exist or didn't - without awareness of it ? We'd be a cosmic dust pile not knowing any better wouldn't we ?

: )

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

Yes, of course - if you think you're your body or brain.

In that case we're just making the best of what's left of our dying lump until we're dug in a hole or burnt off so we don't stink up the place for the rest of us.

How else would you know you exist or didn't - without awareness of it ? We'd be a cosmic dust pile not knowing any better wouldn't we ?

: )

I believe we are born with potential to become aware but experience is the sponsor of awareness. Doesn't 'no experience' equate with 'no awareness'? A white spot on a white wall so to speak.

[Orange]

this post has got way more attention than i thought it would! thanks for all your contribution guys

[philm]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Doesn't 'no experience' equate with 'no awareness'?

Maguru : ) ,

Depends on how you define "experience".

Have you ever been knocked unconscious ? I have about 20years ago. There was just blackness where i have no idea of the time that passed.

So somebody can say, well, there was "no experience" there. Only blackness. Nothing at all.

The problem here - besides playing with concepts of existence v non-existence, somethingness v nothingness - is we're already got the answer.

We're expecting and presuming to know what an "experience" should be ? What should it be ? Thinking ? emotions ? Be able to pinch our bums ? Bright lights and guardian angels with feather dusters ?

There's no way we could either know or be able to define or know or have a clue we DID or DIDN'T experience without awareness or consciousness or Mind whatever you call it.

: )

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by philm

Maguru : ) ,

Depends on how you define "experience".

Have you ever been knocked unconscious ? I have about 20years ago. There was just blackness where i have no idea of the time that passed.

So somebody can say, well, there was "no experience" there. Only blackness. Nothing at all.

The problem here - besides playing with concepts of existence v non-existence, somethingness v nothingness - is we're already got the answer.

We're expecting and presuming to know what an "experience" should be ? What should it be ? Thinking ? emotions ? Be able to pinch our bums ? Bright lights and guardian angels with feather dusters ?

There's no way we could either know or be able to define or know or have a clue we DID or DIDN'T experience without awareness or consciousness or Mind whatever you call it.

: )

I don't see a problem with defining human experience. All human experiences are valid whether in mind, body or emotional. However, the claims made, or the conclusions drawn, of these experiences is pure speculation.

For example, a wonderful, calm, peaceful experience without thoughts is just that. How some conclude that this is connection to source is beyond me. Isn't it more reasonable to believe this is a feeling of disconnection from reality? It certainly feels good to me but alas, it is just an experience.

[philm]

Yes, you're right Magru theres no problem at all with how we define experience.

take care my friend : )