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Old 07-17-2008, 03:46 PM
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If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?
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In my opinion, Christ's teachings are closely related to Judaism because his listeners were primarily Jews. Gautama's teachings are closely related to Hinduism because Buddhism grew directly out of Hinduism and originated in a Hindu culture. Is it not wisdom for a teacher to teach from a perspective that his students can understand? For example, if I were a spiritual teacher, and you were, say, a Christian who had never had any exposure to Hinduism whatsoever, how much sense would it make for me to then try to teach you using terminology and concepts unique to Hinduism? You'd have no foundation to build on.
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I agree with Gukkor.

It is possible they may have all been aiming for the same thing in the end.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:44 AM
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Please take into account the thousands of years between the giving of their respective messages and our receiving it. What makes you so sure it remained intact? I have a feeling that we would be amazed how similar Christ and Gautama's messages actually were. And as for them retaining various qualities of Hinduism and Judaism, it could be possible that those two religions got a few things right. Who knows.

And you know what they say, if it ain't broke...
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theres a saying that " if you put the masters into one room they will agree about everything but if you put their students into the one room they will disagree about everything"
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Real spiritual warriors just use the religion of the day

their teachings are eternal for everyone, even if you are jewish or name your flavor
i think we make the mistake of looking to the form... instead of the message
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Divinity is always contextualized. We are real. We, here on this Earth, are real. Any form of divinity, if real, is also real. Wisdom, even divine wisdom, does not come from some unreality. It is, and is always expressed in the context of its time and place.
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If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?
Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?

Anyone who claims to know, without having first learned, is worthy of suspicion.
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Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?

Anyone who claims to know, without having first learned, is worthy of suspicion.
Doesn't 'divine wisdom' require no learning and if it does then why is it 'divine'?
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Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?
I love that, MartialDev. It's heart balm.
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Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?
You are.
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If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?
I don't believe it is possible for any human being to be a 'pure, primary teacher' of divine wisdom. Initially, everyone is taught from someone elses point of view.



What is this 'divine wisdom' anyway?
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Real spiritual warriors just use the religion of the day

their teachings are eternal for everyone, even if you are jewish or name your flavor
i think we make the mistake of looking to the form... instead of the message
I agree the message is the point and that's what worries me.

The alleged 'divine messages' cause much more division than divine.
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All religions are just a reflection of divine wisdom. They all have their own truths because they are all derived from the same source. You could say that religion is the medium through which the message can be taught. But only those who have connected to the divine (Buddha, Jesus) have the clarity to relay the message to those who seek it. You could even say that figures like Buddha and Jesus embody the message of the divine.
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Being the son of God, why would he have to study anything? Shouldn't he just know? Also, what was he like when he was young? Did he know he was the son of God? Did he talk to God? Was he always wise?
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Yes, Dannyboy, very good, THAT is the question I was originally asking.


Mozart was talented from early childhood, he just knew music,
it was inborn, and it just poured out of him.


Why would a 'divine' teacher have to study earthly things or old teachings?

Wouldn't a pure message come channeled from above?


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I don't disvalue their teachings, since Jesus and Buddha did have some important messages,
but, were they earthy, or divine?

Why would truly divine beings have to study other people's teachings, before they themselves can teach?
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were they earthy, or divine?
Is there a difference?
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Why would truly divine beings have to study other people's teachings, before they themselves can teach?

To remind themselves. They were human, they are human. AND divine. Jesus' message is that we are ALL like him, we are all divine, we are all sons and daughters of Source, and Source itself.

I think, too, having a human experience helps teachers to be better able to reach their students.

This reminds me of the thread about Why Do We Forget? in Erin's forum.
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Mozart was talented from early childhood, he just knew music, it was inborn, and it just poured out of him.
So did Mozart never study music? He was not influenced by the music of his time?

Do not forget how radically different Gautama Buddha was from his contemporaries. Most people in that time lived according and believed in the principles of the Caste System, but Gautama said that all beings are equal.

And how about Jesus? He said no animal sacrifices were needed to please God. Who would dare say that back then? He preformed his miracles on the Sabbath and so on.

These two historical figures, as human as you and me, went against the norm of their time to convey their universal message, one of non-judgment, equality and love.
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Yes, but he apparently had precocious talent beyond that which was taught to him, even before age 5.


It's just that Christianity and Buddhism both sound like versions of their previous religions, Judaism and Hinduism, and they both contain teachings that are not congruent with each other.

For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already contains 'untruths' and precepts that are social or only in the context of that time.
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For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already contains 'untruths' and precepts that are social or only in the context of that time.
Then perhaps they are not divine teachers, as you expect them to be.
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Why not learn about Jesus teachings from the bible?, that way youll be sure on the things the taught about God and himself, youll be surprised by the differences and the bold statements he does about both.
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If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?


You know what, you are so full of labels, so full of judgeing, before you even BEGIN to see the ultimate truth, you have already drowned it within an ocean of judgeing, assuming, and labelling.

To actually start to see any kind of truth in anything, your intention has to be to actually SEE TRUTH. Nothing else! Even if it means that all what you believed in, was rubbish. Only then...

I meant this in respect to you and everyone else. Truth is inside us all, its about time we all start seeing it, and not think everything is so complicated.
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It's just that Christianity and Buddhism both sound like versions of their previous religions, Judaism and Hinduism, and they both contain teachings that are not congruent with each other.

For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already conta