Jesus and Buddha as students

[Adelina]

If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?

[Gukkor]

In my opinion, Christ's teachings are closely related to Judaism because his listeners were primarily Jews. Gautama's teachings are closely related to Hinduism because Buddhism grew directly out of Hinduism and originated in a Hindu culture. Is it not wisdom for a teacher to teach from a perspective that his students can understand? For example, if I were a spiritual teacher, and you were, say, a Christian who had never had any exposure to Hinduism whatsoever, how much sense would it make for me to then try to teach you using terminology and concepts unique to Hinduism? You'd have no foundation to build on.

[Jarrod]

I agree with Gukkor.

It is possible they may have all been aiming for the same thing in the end.

[Anagogy]

Please take into account the thousands of years between the giving of their respective messages and our receiving it. What makes you so sure it remained intact? I have a feeling that we would be amazed how similar Christ and Gautama's messages actually were. And as for them retaining various qualities of Hinduism and Judaism, it could be possible that those two religions got a few things right. Who knows.

And you know what they say, if it ain't broke...

[supertom]

theres a saying that " if you put the masters into one room they will agree about everything but if you put their students into the one room they will disagree about everything"

[Old Soul]

Real spiritual warriors just use the religion of the day

their teachings are eternal for everyone, even if you are jewish or name your flavor
i think we make the mistake of looking to the form... instead of the message

[Michael Chui]

Divinity is always contextualized. We are real. We, here on this Earth, are real. Any form of divinity, if real, is also real. Wisdom, even divine wisdom, does not come from some unreality. It is, and is always expressed in the context of its time and place.

[MartialDev]

Originally Posted by Adelina

If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?

Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?

Anyone who claims to know, without having first learned, is worthy of suspicion.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by MartialDev

Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?

Anyone who claims to know, without having first learned, is worthy of suspicion.

Doesn't 'divine wisdom' require no learning and if it does then why is it 'divine'?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by MartialDev

Pure? What can a human being, composed of water and dust, know about purity?

I love that, MartialDev. It's heart balm.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?

You are.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Adelina

If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?

I don't believe it is possible for any human being to be a 'pure, primary teacher' of divine wisdom. Initially, everyone is taught from someone elses point of view.



What is this 'divine wisdom' anyway?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

Real spiritual warriors just use the religion of the day

their teachings are eternal for everyone, even if you are jewish or name your flavor
i think we make the mistake of looking to the form... instead of the message

I agree the message is the point and that's what worries me.

The alleged 'divine messages' cause much more division than divine.

[WhiteLight]

All religions are just a reflection of divine wisdom. They all have their own truths because they are all derived from the same source. You could say that religion is the medium through which the message can be taught. But only those who have connected to the divine (Buddha, Jesus) have the clarity to relay the message to those who seek it. You could even say that figures like Buddha and Jesus embody the message of the divine.

[Dannyboy1]

Being the son of God, why would he have to study anything? Shouldn't he just know? Also, what was he like when he was young? Did he know he was the son of God? Did he talk to God? Was he always wise?

[Adelina]

Yes, Dannyboy, very good, THAT is the question I was originally asking.


Mozart was talented from early childhood, he just knew music,
it was inborn, and it just poured out of him.


Why would a 'divine' teacher have to study earthly things or old teachings?

Wouldn't a pure message come channeled from above?


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I don't disvalue their teachings, since Jesus and Buddha did have some important messages,
but, were they earthy, or divine?

Why would truly divine beings have to study other people's teachings, before they themselves can teach?

[Lanya]

Originally Posted by Adelina

were they earthy, or divine?

Is there a difference?

[carenkh]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Why would truly divine beings have to study other people's teachings, before they themselves can teach?

To remind themselves. They were human, they are human. AND divine. Jesus' message is that we are ALL like him, we are all divine, we are all sons and daughters of Source, and Source itself.

I think, too, having a human experience helps teachers to be better able to reach their students.

This reminds me of the thread about Why Do We Forget? in Erin's forum.

[Toine]

Originally Posted by Adelina

Mozart was talented from early childhood, he just knew music, it was inborn, and it just poured out of him.

So did Mozart never study music? He was not influenced by the music of his time?

Do not forget how radically different Gautama Buddha was from his contemporaries. Most people in that time lived according and believed in the principles of the Caste System, but Gautama said that all beings are equal.

And how about Jesus? He said no animal sacrifices were needed to please God. Who would dare say that back then? He preformed his miracles on the Sabbath and so on.

These two historical figures, as human as you and me, went against the norm of their time to convey their universal message, one of non-judgment, equality and love.

[Adelina]

Yes, but he apparently had precocious talent beyond that which was taught to him, even before age 5.


It's just that Christianity and Buddhism both sound like versions of their previous religions, Judaism and Hinduism, and they both contain teachings that are not congruent with each other.

For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already contains 'untruths' and precepts that are social or only in the context of that time.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Adelina

For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already contains 'untruths' and precepts that are social or only in the context of that time.

Then perhaps they are not divine teachers, as you expect them to be.

[Christian223]

Why not learn about Jesus teachings from the bible?, that way youll be sure on the things the taught about God and himself, youll be surprised by the differences and the bold statements he does about both.

[sel206]

Originally Posted by Adelina

If Jesus and Buddha are supposed to have divine wisdom,

then why did they both study religion,

before they preached?

And why do each of their religious teachings,

sound so derivative of the religions they studied (Judaism and Hinduism)?


Are there any 'pure' and primary teachers of divine wisdom?

You know what, you are so full of labels, so full of judgeing, before you even BEGIN to see the ultimate truth, you have already drowned it within an ocean of judgeing, assuming, and labelling.

To actually start to see any kind of truth in anything, your intention has to be to actually SEE TRUTH. Nothing else! Even if it means that all what you believed in, was rubbish. Only then...

I meant this in respect to you and everyone else. Truth is inside us all, its about time we all start seeing it, and not think everything is so complicated.

[MartialDev]

Originally Posted by Adelina

It's just that Christianity and Buddhism both sound like versions of their previous religions, Judaism and Hinduism, and they both contain teachings that are not congruent with each other.

For a divine teacher, it would be truer to the universal truth to give teachings directly, rather than in the context of an already existing religion, which already contains 'untruths' and precepts that are social or only in the context of that time.

People who "teach" in the manner you allude to cannot use words, because words have contexts. Nor can they use actions, which are also "polluted by religious and cultural context"; nor can they use stillness or silence.

And it gets worse: each student is him- or her-self a context! It seems there is no blank slate on which the universal truth may be cleanly inscribed.

Nevertheless, if that is the style of teaching you crave, then I am willing to instruct you; but know that I require tuition in advance and hold a strict "no refunds" policy.

[Adelina]

It sounds like there are very few who have nothing but universal truth above their heads, which they channel directly to the people.

It sounds like these two teachers had a lot of previous religion above their heads, which is why I question how much of their teaching is 'truth' and how much of it is 'religion'. Again, with total respect for these teachers and those religions, as they served the purpose of their time.


No teacher needed, thank you, I am my own, and the universe shows its own truth,


just wondering about the teachings that billions of others use.

[cadmar]

I've been busy getting my idea up and running. I've been finding creativity whereever I look and amdist this economic disaster, the old is falling away, this new creation is coming.

I think once China falls or breaks apart politically, this new creation will come. Until then, we are witnessing one of the biggest economical wars ever in history.

Nuclear wars and traditional wars are too messy and costly. This economical war will leave the west in power picking up the pieces. Remember 27 years ago when Bill Gates just started? This is what the new creation will be in 27 years from now and the West do not want the Chinese to be the new Microsofts of the World.

So, as I was saying, I'm seeing this creativity all over the place and it's being held back!! Sorry, for all the suffering. I guess this is all for the good, some five years from now.

[Xanafax]

I am going to go out on a limb and say maybe they didn't really have a clue what they where talking about?

Maybe they do what Christian evangelicals do nowadays? Just recite the same recycled gibberish but wrap it in a different colour...

Why would you wanna trust someone elses opinion on something so important as divine wisdom anyway?!

[Ontowhere]

I think one thing about Jesus, that maybe gets missinterpreted and it's my own opinion is that Jesus, didn't really reach the divine untill his death.
His whole life story carries a bigger meaning, than the teachings themselves.

[Antarananda]

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[Michael Chui]

That was awesome.