Confusion about real self and harmful belief about concepts

[bronxr]

Hi people, I have one problem and I need your help.

I acquired I think harmful beliefs based on the teachings connected with self as awareness and theory that everything that we think are just concepts. These beliefs and thought patterns which my mind created are really harmful and they cloud my mind and thinking. I red the pointer in one of the John Wheelers books to ask who is thinking this and where is that person in
present experience and so on. So ,I am confused about this because there sometimes comes the thought loop when I am learning for example and I always ask myself that "who is learning" and this then brings confusion
into my mind and then I cant think clearly.
I think that I missed the point what the pointer is about.

Next harmful belief is thinking that everything that I think and recognize are just concepts which are just pointing to reality , maybe it is irrational but it often comes into my mind. Then my mind takes them as
something less important and discards them and all knowledge which comes because of concepts. That is I think another misunderstanding which I have.

So question is how to get rid of these beliefs, let them die by focusing on other things in life? or somehow clarify them or what?

[You are Brahman]

how long has this been bothering you. I sometimes spend days, even a week+ thinking about existence in such a way-- it borders psychosis because of delusions. i remember talking to a friend about how waking up studying existence was the worst thing i ever did, and she told me to calm down and that i'd feel differently in a week.

she was right. for ME, it always subsides. If this is a long term problem, a slight shift of perception is probably all that's necessary. you're sharp, which is a step in the right direction. you'll get it soon and be quite happy.

[bronxr]

It takes place around 2 weeks because I started wonder about this reality and my identity. So you tell me to shift perception. Do you mean by that to change perspective or point of view how I look on the world ? To step back to normal picture and care not about these things? And by this it will fade away and normal life will start running. Right?

[Excellent Lodestar]

I think language,(though ultimately limiting) is so Important here. I've read a little Wheeler, and I just don't "get" him. Maybe focusing on other authors for a while, then come back to Wheeler. They are basically saying the same thing, But when dealing with ultimate reality, the language has to sooth us; otherwise the ego will act up and we may experience stress .


There's lots of free resources out there.Dennis Waite's site has good free stuff. I'm currently reading the Upanishads and I'm loving it. Very direct translation.No BS http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses...upanishads.pdf


"In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating as that of the Upanishads. The Upanishads have been the solace of my life and will be the solace of my death." --Schopenhauer



Good Luck,

E Lodestar

[bronxr]

You know, but here is a little problem. English is not my native language and in my native language there are no releases of these teachings.
Problem is that my mind takes it as informations and use that "knowledge" to look differently on reality. But there must come spontaneous realization without effort not some forced thoughts in accordance what I red. My mind creates some next layer of consciousness by which looks on reality but that consciousness are again just accumulated informations and this is so confusing on it and destroying to my character and clear thinking.
Next question and fear that I have is whether I will be able to work properly and whether I will see point in normal activities when i will realize that I am not my ego.

[Lanya]

Wow, I think we're at about the same point in observing this true self stuff. I also recently came to understand how thoroughly useless the mind is with realization.

Life after ego: I had a few experiences of "egolessness," the first of which started my whole exploration of meditation and such. From that first experience, when I lost the ego, my work ethic was at its best. Thinking happened only when it was useful (for the most part). When I did any sort of work, there was no question of what the point was in doing it, or whether it was good for my future, or anything like that. At most, I thought, "I should do this," and I just did it.

I can understand the fear of how your life may change when you lose the ego. The ego won't be there to "track" whether you're doing what's "best" for you. You may be doing some completely random things without intellectual explanation, and that can be scary.

But I think that there's nothing you can reconcile that fear with. You won't be "tracking" yourself, and that's it. You might be doing everything you want do now. You might not. And I guess the best thing one can do is be open to whatever happens next.

Teachings: I liken realization to "feeling" or "experiencing" the truth, without the need to mentally acknowledge it. Since reading requires some effort in acknowedging the words, that may not be best for you (if that's what you've been doing). I'd suggest listening to talks online instead. You could just let the recording play without the goal of getting something useful out of it. That is, when you're listening, you're not listening for any particular reason. You just are.

If language is a barrier there too, maybe you can find a formal teacher?

Those are all the ideas I have for right now. But I hope it helps.

[Brutha]

Next harmful belief is thinking that everything that I think and recognize are just concepts which are just pointing to reality , maybe it is irrational but it often comes into my mind.

So what?
You don't have to judge it as negative. You can accept reality and life with it even when you know that concepts around completly true.

Some concepts are also just beautiful.

[amixa]

Originally Posted by Lanya

Life after ego: I had a few experiences of "egolessness," the first of which started my whole exploration of meditation and such. From that first experience, when I lost the ego, my work ethic was at its best. Thinking happened only when it was useful (for the most part). When I did any sort of work, there was no question of what the point was in doing it, or whether it was good for my future, or anything like that. At most, I thought, "I should do this," and I just did it.

exactly. i remember once needing to work in a studio for a class, and i was whining about how i didn't feel like doing it. someone said the best advice to me that i just repeat to myself everytime i start thinking like that.
get over yourself is what she said
then i did. i still used my brain as a tool to get the work done, i just turned the whiny ego off

[bronxr]

The problem in information with concepts is that it makes my mind think too much, that how people are fighting just for concepts, and that concepts is everything what is that my consciousness is just from concepts, and about recognizing things- the comparing of concept and image I see and so on...
Each time when in my mind pop up some image my mind judge it , oh that is just concept and so on, and then image is dismissed.

The strange is that I experience the pressure on various parts of my head mainly
back side than behind the ear, sometimes in front of. Sometimes when I try to ignore and hardly focus on other things mainly mentally I feel like my head is full of blood and pressure and I cant think clearly, then I am stuck in present and it is hard to think about anything just staring and looking and being in presece.
I dont know whether it is some resistance of my mind or subconscious mind or result of compulsive thinking about this information. Maybe my mind just need to make peace with this thoughts but I dont know when it will be. I hope that this thought will be not stuck in my head forever it just need to move somewhere to subconscious or store of general knowledge.

[Rhythman]

Let the mind do what it wants to do. Just watch it. Don't seek to control it, just learn to understand it and its patterns. You will soon see the root of its patterns.

Rhythman

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by Rhythman

Let the mind do what it wants to do. Just watch it. Don't seek to control it, just learn to understand it and its patterns. You will soon see the root of its patterns.

Rhythman

Yea just let the mind do whatever it wants. If it wants to attack you or harm you w/e. And if it wants to reward you and be happy than be grateful. Just let it go on by, and then if it's a pattern you don't like then just keep watching it and if it's one you do keep it coming.

[Liara Covert]

Beliefs begin and end inside yourself. If something is making you feel uncomfortable, you are drawing your attention to something. Only you can figure out what that thing is.

[bronxr]

I just really dont understand why I always must think about reality and about psychological stuff and I dont understand why I have this anxious reaction about information about concepts and must think about it, I take it as something negative or not good. And I really dont know what my brain to hell is having those pressures and filled brain isnt normal. Maybe I should go to psychologist and prescribe some drugs against depression or anxiety. And think about normal stuff, not PD nor spirituality and who Am I. ?
These information should make me peaceful but they do vice versa.
TO HELL WITH THAT
Also , this started ,these pressures and blood in head when I started to ask myself that who am I? but again it brought again the anxiousness , why this dont work for me?