EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time.

[infinitethoughts]

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?

[Angela]

Well, if that's the way you're going to be, then also:

NOTHING is as it is, and it isn't, also at the exact same time, and also your choice.

[Ecce Homo]

No one argues like a self help expert!

Everything is one thing and that one thing is "no-thing" and "no-thing" is everything.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?

Care to clarify?

Is it:
"Everything is All at the Exact same time."
versus:
"Everything isn't All at the Exact same time."
?

[Angela]

I am the walrus.... whooooo, I am the walrus, WHOOOO, I am the walrus, koo-koo-ka-chooo

[wolfgang]

I am the eggman!

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Angela

Well, if that's the way you're going to be, then also:

NOTHING is as it is, and it isn't, also at the exact same time, and also your choice.

LOL......

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Care to clarify?

Is it:
"Everything is All at the Exact same time."
versus:
"Everything isn't All at the Exact same time."
?

It has to be that way, otherwise how would anything exist?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

It has to be that way, otherwise how would anything exist?

What has to be what way?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

What has to be what way?

Everything is and is not at the same time.

Think about it.

To say it's not at the same time is implying that Time (click, clock, click, clock) is an actual ultimate reality.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Everything is and is not at the same time.

Think about it.

To say it's not at the same time is implying that Time (click, clock, click, clock) is an actual ultimate reality.

Everything can not exist without the "is not part" in the equation.

If there was no "is not part", there would be no way to distinguish everything that is.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Everything can not exist without the "is not part" in the equation.

If there was no "is not part", there would be no way to distinguish everything that is.

Sure it can. The "is not" is the Potentia or Void from where the "is" comes from.

...right back atcha.

[Jamie]

Everything, and nothing, share the same root source, and are one in the same. So what? What's all the fuss about?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Everything, and nothing, share the same root source, and are one in the same. So what? What's all the fuss about?

You got it.

[infinitethoughts]

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your Choice.

--This is a Formula I've come up with, to use on ANY condition you are faced with.

* You're healthy and you're diseased, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're stupid and you're intelligent, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're car runs perfect and it runs crappy, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're good looking and you're ugly, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're instantly wealthy and you're instantly poor, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're employed and you're unemployed, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're owe me money, and you don't owe me money, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're know everything and you don't know everything, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have friends and you don't have friends, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're affected by pollution, and you're not affected, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have a brain clamp and you don't have a brain clamp, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have trouble thinking and you think clear and concise, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You are.................

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your Choice.

Maybe the english is bad.

Everything is ALL? AND everything isn't ALL? At the same time.

Or are you saying:
Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time. ?

--This is a Formula I've come up with, to use on ANY condition you are faced with.

* You're healthy and you're diseased, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're stupid and you're intelligent, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're car runs perfect and it runs crappy, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're good looking and you're ugly, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're instantly wealthy and you're instantly poor, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're employed and you're unemployed, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're owe me money, and you don't owe me money, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're know everything and you don't know everything, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have friends and you don't have friends, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're affected by pollution, and you're not affected, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have a brain clamp and you don't have a brain clamp, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have trouble thinking and you think clear and concise, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You are.................

Then are you just saying we get to choose exactly from one of two opposites? Do you find that to work? Is it possible to choose to have a car that works while it has to get a new battery to be able to start? What is the practical of what you are stating?

Or is this a fun idea for entertaining multiple reality theories? That supposedly we can and do choose our reality with every kind of conscious focus we make.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Everything is ALL? AND everything isn't ALL? At the same time.

Or are you saying:
Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time. ?

Yes. (I'm joking.)

I like the Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Then are you just saying we get to choose exactly from one of two opposites? Do you find that to work? Is it possible to choose to have a car that works while it has to get a new battery to be able to start? What is the practical of what you are stating?

Well lets look at your car and battery example. Say you have a "dead" battery. You realize both states exists at the same exact time (which Quantum physics also says.) The battery is dead and it is charged up, at the same exact time.

Consciousness then chooses which state.

I'd say the "practical" application are very far reaching.

Originally Posted by wolfgang

That supposedly we can and do choose our reality with every kind of conscious focus we make.

Yes.

[wolfgang]

So then it's Schrodeinger's cat thinking.

Or quantum collapse by observation taken to the macro level of reality.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Or quantum collapse by observation taken to the macro level of reality.

And I see Absolutely no problem with that.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

And I see Absolutely no problem with that.

It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?

Right.

And then if I take the devil advocates position and say well sure at the quantum level of existance it's this way but not at the Macro position.

The problem with that point of view is if it is so at the quantum level why should it not be at the macro level?

It's all one reality is it not? Or is there some magical dividing line at some point where the quantum level changes and is not the same reality as at the macro level.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?

Right.

So what exactly is it that stops us from realizing this?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Right.

So what exactly is it that stops us from realizing this?

I was hoping you had the answer.
That's been my question for a while too.

upbringing? training? too much thinking? not enough feeling? not enough communing with nature? not enough heart felt motivations?

[Lanya]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Right.

So what exactly is it that stops us from realizing this?

I would agree with too much thinking. I would say that getting to the realizing you're talking about has nothing to do with the mind. That is, that kind of realization is pure experience. But we may still rely on the mind to try and realize it, anyway.

That's why simply acknowledging a statement doesn't necessarily lead to seeing it. Acknowledgment's the mind's thing; Seeing must come from something else.

But that's just my guess. I haven't seen it, so I'll have to find a way to see it for myself.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I was hoping you had the answer.
That's been my question for a while too.

upbringing? training? too much thinking? not enough feeling? not enough communing with nature? not enough heart felt motivations?

Well lets figure it out.

Lanya had a good point....going beyond rational and logic.

Here's my experiments:
I have been "re-wriring" my brain, so to speak, to see that everything I experience is literally being generated in that moment.

But getting back to what Lanya, is saying, there comes a point where your logic comes in and sez, "Thats impossible."

And that is where it starts to get interesting. I'm finding out that this feeling of it being "impossible" is really only due to a habit of seeing the world from the wrong perspective. Namely that, the world is generated in some distant past.

[blazer1]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?

This is like saying I am standing inside a room, and there is a room around me - all at the exact time.

But if you would care to dig deeper, everything is nothing ... it's always changing - if you consider everything to be a function of time.

So while it is, it really isn't! I am in a room, a room is around me!

There is no gain in this style of thought man, people have already considered these paradoxes a long time ago ... it wont bring about any practicle enlightenment. (as a pointer).

[Niki]

everything is one third of nothing, and nothing is three times everything. But only if you believe it ...

I think it's time for me to stop thinking now...

[Ponce]

Ask five witnesses what a bank robber looked like and you will get five different looks........... it all depends from what angle you are looking at it.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by blazer1

There is no gain in this style of thought man, people have already considered these paradoxes a long time ago ... it wont bring about any practicle enlightenment. (as a pointer).

Sure it does, bubba.
It points out the illusion you are in. You think time and space actually have substance.

Everything is and is not, at the same exact time. You choose.

[fwellers]

I love threads like this. as long as they don't get too technical so that I can't understand them anymore, since I have no physics backround.

I find it possible at times, to start to make a dent in the realization that there is no me and you, that we are really the same consciousness expressed outwardly toward each other.

But I have not been able to make any headway towards a realization that there is no time.

Or, put another way, I sometimes start to see through the illusion of self, but can't see through the illusion of time as deeply.

Sometimes though, when remembering something that happened 20 or 30 years ago, as if it was yesterday, I get a glimpse of the illusion of time.