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Old 06-17-2008, 05:03 PM
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EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?
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Well, if that's the way you're going to be, then also:

NOTHING is as it is, and it isn't, also at the exact same time, and also your choice.
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No one argues like a self help expert!

Everything is one thing and that one thing is "no-thing" and "no-thing" is everything.
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EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?
Care to clarify?

Is it:
"Everything is All at the Exact same time."
versus:
"Everything isn't All at the Exact same time."
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I am the walrus.... whooooo, I am the walrus, WHOOOO, I am the walrus, koo-koo-ka-chooo
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I am the eggman!
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Well, if that's the way you're going to be, then also:

NOTHING is as it is, and it isn't, also at the exact same time, and also your choice.
LOL......
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Care to clarify?

Is it:
"Everything is All at the Exact same time."
versus:
"Everything isn't All at the Exact same time."
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It has to be that way, otherwise how would anything exist?
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It has to be that way, otherwise how would anything exist?
What has to be what way?
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What has to be what way?
Everything is and is not at the same time.

Think about it.

To say it's not at the same time is implying that Time (click, clock, click, clock) is an actual ultimate reality.
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Everything is and is not at the same time.

Think about it.

To say it's not at the same time is implying that Time (click, clock, click, clock) is an actual ultimate reality.
Everything can not exist without the "is not part" in the equation.

If there was no "is not part", there would be no way to distinguish everything that is.
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Everything can not exist without the "is not part" in the equation.

If there was no "is not part", there would be no way to distinguish everything that is.
Sure it can. The "is not" is the Potentia or Void from where the "is" comes from.

...right back atcha.
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Everything, and nothing, share the same root source, and are one in the same. So what? What's all the fuss about?
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Everything, and nothing, share the same root source, and are one in the same. So what? What's all the fuss about?
You got it.
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EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your Choice.

--This is a Formula I've come up with, to use on ANY condition you are faced with.

* You're healthy and you're diseased, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're stupid and you're intelligent, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're car runs perfect and it runs crappy, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're good looking and you're ugly, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're instantly wealthy and you're instantly poor, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're employed and you're unemployed, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're owe me money, and you don't owe me money, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're know everything and you don't know everything, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have friends and you don't have friends, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're affected by pollution, and you're not affected, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have a brain clamp and you don't have a brain clamp, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have trouble thinking and you think clear and concise, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You are.................
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EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your Choice.
Maybe the english is bad.

Everything is ALL? AND everything isn't ALL? At the same time.

Or are you saying:
Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time. ?

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--This is a Formula I've come up with, to use on ANY condition you are faced with.

* You're healthy and you're diseased, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're stupid and you're intelligent, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're car runs perfect and it runs crappy, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're good looking and you're ugly, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're instantly wealthy and you're instantly poor, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're employed and you're unemployed, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're owe me money, and you don't owe me money, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're know everything and you don't know everything, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have friends and you don't have friends, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You're affected by pollution, and you're not affected, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have a brain clamp and you don't have a brain clamp, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You have trouble thinking and you think clear and concise, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

* You are.................
Then are you just saying we get to choose exactly from one of two opposites? Do you find that to work? Is it possible to choose to have a car that works while it has to get a new battery to be able to start? What is the practical of what you are stating?

Or is this a fun idea for entertaining multiple reality theories? That supposedly we can and do choose our reality with every kind of conscious focus we make.
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Everything is ALL? AND everything isn't ALL? At the same time.

Or are you saying:
Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time. ?
Yes. (I'm joking.)

I like the Everything is. And everything isn't. Always at the same time.
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Then are you just saying we get to choose exactly from one of two opposites? Do you find that to work? Is it possible to choose to have a car that works while it has to get a new battery to be able to start? What is the practical of what you are stating?
Well lets look at your car and battery example. Say you have a "dead" battery. You realize both states exists at the same exact time (which Quantum physics also says.) The battery is dead and it is charged up, at the same exact time.

Consciousness then chooses which state.

I'd say the "practical" application are very far reaching.


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That supposedly we can and do choose our reality with every kind of conscious focus we make.
Yes.
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So then it's Schrodeinger's cat thinking.

Or quantum collapse by observation taken to the macro level of reality.
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Or quantum collapse by observation taken to the macro level of reality.
And I see Absolutely no problem with that.
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And I see Absolutely no problem with that.
It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?
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It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?
Right.

And then if I take the devil advocates position and say well sure at the quantum level of existance it's this way but not at the Macro position.

The problem with that point of view is if it is so at the quantum level why should it not be at the macro level?

It's all one reality is it not? Or is there some magical dividing line at some point where the quantum level changes and is not the same reality as at the macro level.
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It would be cool to believe this to the point of actually seeing it working this way.

Could it just be our beliefs? That we are just told quantum behavior does up scale so we believe that and see that?

And as soon as we can believe it does scale up to the macro, we can bi-locate and do things quantum particles do?
Right.

So what exactly is it that stops us from realizing this?
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