EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Why create anything, why create this conversation, why do anything?

Exactly. Why create illusion upon illusion and then get all proprietorial about it! Look at what I've created everyone, isn't it wonderful! Praise it, glorify it, but please don't criticize my sacred cow!

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Right. That brings in the dichotomy, that "nothingness" and "everything" are the same thing.

Or maybe nothing and everything don't exist? This fits with the theory there is only now and that life is a constant moment of change.

[blazer1]

if we follow this logic to the T ... then life is death, death is life. why even bother living? kill yourself now.

in other words, to live, we must accept some of the delusion that has been created by our predecessors ... and we must base all our derivative logic upon it, why go backward in evolution?

like i keep saying, this realisation is very old ... and let it be.


I mean, sure i understand a disease only exists within your head ... think positive ... but the fact is, the disease only ever exists because the collective logic tells us it exists. if you can be a visionary enough to override science, then do it, but remember that suggestion begins with sensory input.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Why create anything, why create this conversation, why do anything?

Because before you were born and after you die, the illusion falls away. You see that you are simply energy and go back to creating instantly.

You're here taking a vacation from that state. To experience the satisfaction of not being an instant creator.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by blazer1

if we follow this logic to the T ... then life is death, death is life. why even bother living? kill yourself now.

If you do, you'll be kicking yourself in the head after you do it.

You'll realize, I've just cut short my adventure in living in a reality where I completely believe I am Limited.

[blazer1]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

If you do, you'll be kicking yourself in the head after you do it.

You'll realize, I've just cut short my adventure in living in a reality where I completely believe I am Limited.

ok then ... so how can use this fundamental fact practically?

for instance, i have a bad habit of impulse spending ... i find it hard to save.

help me out with an example...

[wolfgang]

who has really been able to see or feel that truth that is being parroted in this thread that all is an illusion?

we think we are so great to "know" this stuff but do you really know? sure you can meditate and feel something, but the school of hard knocks in 3d (the illusion) is waiting to get you as soon as your meditation timer goes off or the music stops.

we are just playing in a sand box of "cool" ideas that make us think we are on to something. but what the heck does having these ideas do to your life? are you a transcendental being yet? are you walking on clouds and have awesome peace and healing falling out of the skies? do you regularly see it all as illusion? or are you just spouting off neat-o ideas in some Internet forum?

defend yourself on this since you feel like you should. and why is that? why do you feel that reaction? tell me how enlightened you all are. tell me how much you do meditation or yoga. tell me you know that since duality is an illusion means good and bad don't really exist. and then try to tell me how that makes a difference to know. even though it's probably just some cool idea that you have latched onto that you think will help you but you still can't figure out how to make it help you, other than keeping a level of distraction going in your thoughts for entertainment purposes. and just maybe, because you do some sort of mind quieting exercises there's some practical results for you in that. otherwise, what? it's all an illusion... great. how mundane, really.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

who has really been able to see or feel that truth that is being parroted in this thread that all is an illusion?

we think we are so great to "know" this stuff but do you really know? sure you can meditate and feel something, but the school of hard knocks in 3d (the illusion) is waiting to get you as soon as your meditation timer goes off or the music stops.

we are just playing in a sand box of "cool" ideas that make us think we are on to something. but what the heck does having these ideas do to your life? are you a transcendental being yet? are you walking on clouds and have awesome peace and healing falling out of the skies? do you regularly see it all as illusion? or are you just spouting off neat-o ideas in some Internet forum?

defend yourself on this since you feel like you should. and why is that? why do you feel that reaction? tell me how enlightened you all are. tell me how much you do meditation or yoga. tell me you know that since duality is an illusion means good and bad don't really exist. and then try to tell me how that makes a difference to know. even though it's probably just some cool idea that you have latched onto that you think will help you but you still can't figure out how to make it help you, other than keeping a level of distraction going in your thoughts for entertainment purposes. and just maybe, because you do some sort of mind quieting exercises there's some practical results for you in that. otherwise, what? it's all an illusion... great. how mundane, really.

the practical application of this knowledge for me is peace & non resistance. The illusion really is that this illusion is creation - it isn't it is projection.

Creation is that which arises from a state of peace & non resistance.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by blazer1

ok then ... so how can use this fundamental fact practically?

for instance, i have a bad habit of impulse spending ... i find it hard to save.

help me out with an example...

Question the core assumption. Why do you feel the need to impulse buy?

Then: question the next assumption, that you've found in the first assumption.....just keep going.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

and just maybe, because you do some sort of mind quieting exercises there's some practical results for you in that. otherwise, what? it's all an illusion... great. how mundane, really.

I know I'm infinite. What do I mean by that? I know I'm endless, I've never had a beginning, and I won't end.

Compare that to most other people's belief of being someone elses creation.

Just my 2 cents.


The practical aspects? I've put myself in a world of unquestioned assumptions in order to experience another slice of "eternity".

The practical aspects?
Question societies core assumptions.....and don't stop.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

I know I'm infinite. What do I mean by that? I know I'm endless, I've never had a beginning, and I won't end.

I'm just playing devil's advocate since I like to say these things but I don't really know. How do you know you are infinite? What does it do for you? Or are you just liking the idea and stating you know this as a way to try to believe something that seems grand? Did you have some awakening that forever changed your sense of self and you are now always feeling connected to source or something?

Compare that to most other people's belief of being someone elses creation.

Just my 2 cents.


The practical aspects? I've put myself in a world of unquestioned assumptions in order to experience another slice of "eternity".

The practical aspects?
Question societies core assumptions.....and don't stop.

sometimes it just strikes me as those that say they know are the ones that just think they know and are kind of pretending (me included). I like these ideas and think they should do something for me - more peace or something. but so far it just keep my mind entertained and then some meditations I find something that goes away later and I'm back into the tick-toc world to wonder about reality and think of cool concepts like it's all an illusion and the ego is a self created resistance to reality (which is an illusion anyway)...

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I'm just playing devil's advocate since I like to say these things but I don't really know. How do you know you are infinite? What does it do for you? Or are you just liking the idea and stating you know this as a way to try to believe something that seems grand? Did you have some awakening that forever changed your sense of self and you are now always feeling connected to source or something?

Try it yourself. Ask yourself if you will ever cease to exist and look at the answer you get.

[coLLege kid07]

I think I'm gonna have a headache after reading this convo But it's just an illusion....right??!$@UI@

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Because before you were born and after you die, the illusion falls away. You see that you are simply energy and go back to creating instantly.

You're here taking a vacation from that state. To experience the satisfaction of not being an instant creator.

Not necessarly...you can still stay connected to the source and live a perfectly normal life. It's like what some else said..I forget who..your true self is limitless, but in this world you have limits so you can enjoy them and expend yourself to whatever you dream possible.

[coLLege kid07]

[quote=wolfgang;206724]I'm just playing devil's advocate since I like to say these things but I don't really know. How do you know you are infinite? What does it do for you? Or are you just liking the idea and stating you know this as a way to try to believe something that seems grand? Did you have some awakening that forever changed your sense of self and you are now always feeling connected to source or something?
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What empowers you the most? the belief that you are limited and can't overcome the barrier of limitedness or that you are infinite and have a world of possibilities to do whatever you want. It's your choice? =)

sorry I know I've posted alot but I got alot of ideas coming lol.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

What empowers you the most? the belief that you are limited and can't overcome the barrier of limitedness or that you are infinite and have a world of possibilities to do whatever you want. It's your choice? =)

sorry I know I've posted alot but I got alot of ideas coming lol.

Yeah, well I like the ideas about life really being infinite and everything's possible and I would choose that. And do choose that in my mind as ideas.

But who here is actually able to make something out of it? For real. OK, we all have probably done some version of "Ask yourself if you will ever cease to exist and look at the answer you get." and probably got the feeling we are more than what we are in physical world material stuff. Then what?

We got to feel something when doing that but what happens? Do we now have instant relief from karma or feel connected to oneness and not fear death and know our true purpose and are on the right path all of a sudden? I don't think so. We are still stuck in habitual ways mostly but just maybe, hopefully, having a little less suffering.

How to actually bring these ideas down to earth and get something from trying to believe things that unlimit us, for real? Otherwise we are just thinking about concepts of being and the mind is still in charge and we are not closer to being joy and peace. well, maybe we do get closer - but why does it just seem to become regular life again after sleeping and then getting up and going about your business?

Why can't we live in oneness feelings and connected to source at the same time?

Or who of you can actually live this, instead of just writing about it or "knowing" it in brief mediation/contemplation moments?

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Yeah, well I like the ideas about life really being infinite and everything's possible and I would choose that. And do choose that in my mind as ideas.

But who here is actually able to make something out of it? For real. OK, we all have probably done some version of "Ask yourself if you will ever cease to exist and look at the answer you get." and probably got the feeling we are more than what we are in physical world material stuff. Then what?

We got to feel something when doing that but what happens? Do we now have instant relief from karma or feel connected to oneness and not fear death and know our true purpose and are on the right path all of a sudden? I don't think so. We are still stuck in habitual ways mostly but just maybe, hopefully, having a little less suffering.

How to actually bring these ideas down to earth and get something from trying to believe things that unlimit us, for real? Otherwise we are just thinking about concepts of being and the mind is still in charge and we are not closer to being joy and peace. well, maybe we do get closer - but why does it just seem to become regular life again after sleeping and then getting up and going about your business?

Why can't we live in oneness feelings and connected to source at the same time?

Or who of you can actually live this, instead of just writing about it or "knowing" it in brief mediation/contemplation moments?

Yea I think your spot on....you have to live it first. And to a good extent I believe I do. Yes maybe logic and reason is telling me that I'm absolutely nuts and have no idea what I'm talking about but on a deeper level I truly believe that. Plus the idea brings me tons of more peace..so regardless if it's true or not it still greatly satisfies me.

I think you'll come to find that the answers you're looking for aren't really the one's your looking for at all. I find that the purpose of living is just to enjoy it as much as possible. No one's really expecting you to go out and do something, or rather do whatever the ego tells you. You're just supposed to enjoy yourself and go after your wildest dreams. Living is a game and you can create whatever you deeply desire. Realising who you truly are doesn't involve depriving yourself, it just shows you that no matter what happens in the game you can still be happy.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

How to actually bring these ideas down to earth and get something from trying to believe things that unlimit us, for real?

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

The practical aspects?
Question societies core assumptions.....and don't stop.

[blazer1]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

EVERYTHING is, and it isn't, All at the Exact same time. It's your choice.

Anyone care to debate this with me?

Would you agree there is a duality between the body and mind, and so thought and it's physical counterpart?

I dont think its just a duality, since that only suggests two. I think it's an infinite number of 'polydualities' (i can't think of another word for this), all existing in various forms and are feeding off each other - in perfect harmony or balance. Within the realm of thought, there are so many examples. When one thinks such a way about things, then that mode of thought affects something else in another facet of ones character. Which again affects the other, until it comes full circle into a whole, or a balance, or a character, a person, an instance of a consciousness.

So what you are saying is actually a good thought provoker. Because what it says is, the thought is more dominant than the physical expressions which has usually dominated thought.

The quicker we learn to understand that thought comes before the physical counter-part ... the quicker we can learn to control the physical-counterpart.

For some reason I seem to think old people seem to realise this but never end up talking about it, because the realisation is so gradual and non-provoked (purely dependant on experience of Life) that they dont even realise it, its like a frog in heating water.

This means we can put our body through whatever abcdijklxyz permutations of experience (anything your body senses and endures) in order to achieve the state of consciousness, (say satisfaction of being the one who can 'almost' fly), our body will actually submit to this, as long as the belief that it will is there 100 percent.

If this were true, then this would mean physics is just what we collectively have agreed to believe and quantify (algorithmise) this world by. But perhaps mathematics and the rationale behind it was purely random, an arbitrary style of communication?

So we are perhaps unable to 'believe' we can fly because we 'believe' in this environment, with gravity, gasses and all, we need wings to fly.

Does this mean we are foolish in thinking and collectively believing this, or were did we have no choice, was it that the limits of belief is ultimately dependant on the physical suggestions?

(Answer this last question, in the sense I am talking about the physical beliefs, because the beliefs in ones 'thought' world is different. More abstract and faster!


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Is thought the intepretation of a stimulus or is thought the belief of a stimulus being there in the first place (to interpret)? Chicken or the Egg? this question has plagued us!

[infinitethoughts]

Nice commentary, Blazer.