|06-07-2008, 09:36 PM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Dream analogy,oneness and world?
I am trying to understand nature of reality through "dream analogy" and Oneness.
I am pure awareness,having a dream or dreams.I am dreaming that i am a human and start to believe that i am only a human.This creates individual consciousness.But still i am pure awareness who is dreaming.But is there one objective reality which is dreamed by pure awareness,or does everybody as pure awareness have their own dream?
Last edited by Jack; 06-07-2008 at 09:41 PM.
|06-07-2008, 11:05 PM||#2 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2007
I choose to believe that this is my dreamworld; my consciousness is the only one in this particular dream. But I like to treat all my dream characters (including you, Jack!) with respect, since you are all part of my mind. You show me alternative perspectives to this dream.
|06-08-2008, 01:21 AM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Where soul meets body.
Look at it in terms of limitations. The True Dreamer has no limitations and is completely and totally intangible. All tangible realities are cross sections through the intangible. They are contained within it, in otherwords.
Everything that has limit, form, or structure, is part of the dream. The dreamer dreams there is separation and so there appears to be. Being completely and totally unlimited, there is nothing stopping the dreamer from dreaming all dreams at once. So from this angle, the dreamer is dreaming many realities, not just one individuated experience, because that is placing unwarranted limitations on the unbounded essence that consciousness is. There is no built in limit to the dreamer, except those that it imposes on itself. We are the dreams of the dreamer. But we ARE the dreamer as well. Once we have been "dreamed up" we are dreaming our own realities as well.
The dreamer dreams, the dreams within the dreamer dreams, and those distantly related dreams dream as well, ad infinitum.
So we can dream as long as we desire, because time and space are also dreams, which can be extended and contracted according to the thoughts, desires, and beliefs of the dreamer. Eventually, we will tire of the dream, and we will choose to wake up.
What happens when you wake up?
The dream stops, and a (usually) more consistent reality is revealed. Our individuality is part of the dream. You can keep it as long as you want -- you are safe within your dream. However, one day you will voluntarily give it up, in favor of being awake, rather than asleep.
The dreamer is changeless and absolute. The dream is of change and relativity. Our evolution as ascendent beings is to realize that at its most fundamental level.
Hope that helps in some way.
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|06-10-2008, 12:43 AM||#5 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Where soul meets body.
As I said in my other post, there is nothing stopping the True Dreamer from dreaming all dreams at once. Therefore, everything exists. All probabilities, both great and small, are being dreamed. Anything you can possibly imagine has a perspective -- has a state of consciousness of its reality. It may not be anything we can remotely relate to, but its there. Yes, the material that makes up your chairs, your tables, your bed is aware. Cells are aware. Dirt is aware. Your beer is aware. It may not "think" as we do, as that requires some additional dimension of complexity, but there is no hard and fast rule saying it can't. It is no problem whatsoever for an unlimited being to explore an infinitude of strange and wondrous perspectives.
It is possible for a given environment to gain complex awareness, personalization, and even perception of what inhabits it.
The law of attraction plays a large factor in all this too, as the consciousness inside the dream is sympathetically drawn towards other consciousness that resonates with it, or is complementary to its reality.
But to get back on track with what you were specifically wondering about:
From the perspective most humans find themselves at, it may aid understanding to say that humanity dreams the same dream at once and it is this consensus election that creates and maintains what we might term "objective reality". However, the "consensus election" of the "objective" reality proceeds forth from the reasoning that there are separate minds choosing to inhabit a given reality when that in and of itself, is ALSO part of the dream. We do not exist as individuals. This implies the "scripting" of our reality may occur at a more unified level of the Dreamer. That is not to say the dreams the dreamer is having do not affect the play out of the dream. There are conscious choices to be made here. Make no mistake about that.
Think about it. When you go to sleep at night, are not the characters you interact with also forms of YOU? Now consider the idea that your soul is more multifaceted than you've ever imagined. What if...each of those characters you interact with, in your dream, also has a perspective that is just as real as what you consciously perceive to be your waking persona?
Because we are conditioned to be aware of one linear experience at a time (<< I can't even escape this temporal language), we tend to only remember one perspective from the dream when we awaken. But many astral projectors have experienced what they call "mind split" where they have confusing sets of memories, that apparently were being recorded at the same relative time, but with different points of perception. Robert Bruce for example makes note of this, as does Robert Peterson on one or two occasions. It is a mistake for us to assume that our identities end at the edge of our conscious memory and awareness.
So to summarize, the reason we occupy what you might consider to be a "shared reality" is simply because that is what the dream was at this level. In consciousness, distance is only measured by difference in consciousness. Thus, the consciousness that is drastically different from your own would normally exist outside the threshold of your experienced reality. Unless you started seeking it out. You experience the things you do, because they complement the state of consciousness you occupy now.
The Alarm Clock
Have you ever had a dream inside a dream? What happens when you wake up from the second level dream? You end up in the first level dream and think you're awake, normally. But that, too, is an illusion. However, all the characters from the second level dream were you, and so now they've reintegrated as you, because you are now awake (sort of). The same happens when you wake up from the first level dream. Reintegration occurs.
All the individual egos we see running around, including your own, are like the characters in the dream. They are all just as "real" as your own, if you wish to consider your own self as real -- we are all characters in the dream, carrying the consciousness of the dreamer. But the interesting thing is, much like the dreams you have at night, when you wake up, we ALL wake up. Reintegration occurs. Time doesn't exist once you wake up. This is the most difficult point to articulate because it turns the linear mind into a pretzel.
Now, this doesn't mean that if your uncle John Doe achieves enlightenment, your experience of the dream ends. It doesn't work that way. Time is REAL until YOU, YOURSELF, wake up. However from uncle John Doe's perspective, the second (<< there I go with linear frames of reference again *cough, cough*) he became enlightened you were also enlightened and you realized you were the same consciousness all along. Confused yet?
As to your other interesting question: what is mind?
I use the words mind, consciousness, and intelligence interchangeably. A lot of people don't, and that is perfectly understandable, and also perfectly confusing, since the the understanding of these terms are of paramount importance when discussing these matters. However, that is the crux of language and definition. We use what we can to get our points across. It doesn't always work.
For me, mind is the formless awareness or consciousness that is at the heart of existence. At its most pure level (the level of the awake dreamer), it has Absolute free will, existing at the most unrestricted state in existence. It is the container for all potentiality. If it chooses to explore a scenario, in effect, constricting itself to experience form, it is back in the dream again. Thoughts are what occur below the level of All That Is, and are the shape of consciousness at any given moment. Thoughts are like cups made of ice, that the water of consciousness has been poured in. The cup -- the thing that is causing the liquid of consciousness to conform to a specific shape is also composed of water, of the frozen variety. I feel this is an appropriate analogy to explain the relationship between them.
If the liquid in the glass becomes hot, the cup shaping it will melt...and the restriction will cease. Or if the water in the frozen cup gets too cold it may also merge with the denseness of the frozen cup, moving as slowly as the cup, and losing its ability to assume any other shape until it heats up.
I don't know if any of that helped answer your questions or just came across as rambling nonsense.
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