Idiots have more children theory

[lasti]

Originally Posted by Ninja

With all due respect, but someone please hand me a bucket...

I think that's not fair. He's just sharing his feelings.

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by MrNotebook

Very very wise words. I'm a father myself and went through much emotional ignorance and didn't come to realize how beautiful having a child is until later on. It has a lot to do with maturity.

People that have never had the experience of raising a child can't really understand what it means from a parent's perspective. I suspect many of the posts here are from child-less people.

Or childfree people, of course. Not everyone wants a child.

Anyway, I suppose I'll never know what it's like to be a mother. But I can try to imagine, and I don't think it's for me. I have never set myself on fire before, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to try . I've actually had people come up to me and say "don't knock it until you've tried it!". Right... so if I don't like it, I can just stuff the child back in my uterus and get a nine-month refund? Everytime I get a remark like that, I die a little inside. *slams head to desk*

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by lasti

I think that's not fair. He's just sharing his feelings.

And I'm sharing mine. Welcome to the internet.

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by Craiz8

Well let me tell ya. Parenting is definitely not for everyone. It does take an enormous amount of time, willpower, and strength. I don't recommend it for the faint at heart. If you come into it by mistake or think it is going to be easy, your not doing yourself or the child any justice. If it is easy then you must be the parent of that 3 - 10 yr old running around the neighborhood, alone.

D-OH! Don't get me started on those 'parenting champions'! My conversations with those usually go like this:

me: yeah, I like kids, but I don't want any of my own. I just don't think I have the energy for that, you know?
SuperParent: oh, don't worry about it. It's alot easier than it looks! You just need to know how to organize and work as a team!
me: speaking of teamwork... where's little Johnny?
SuperParent: *scratches head* he was here five minutes ago *shrugs* oh well, he'll turn up when he gets hungry.
me: *supresses urge to smack SuperParent with a rotten fish*

[MrNotebook]

Originally Posted by Ninja

Or childfree people, of course. Not everyone wants a child.

Anyway, I suppose I'll never know what it's like to be a mother. But I can try to imagine, and I don't think it's for me. I have never set myself on fire before, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to try . I've actually had people come up to me and say "don't knock it until you've tried it!". Right... so if I don't like it, I can just stuff the child back in my uterus and get a nine-month refund? Everytime I get a remark like that, I die a little inside. *slams head to desk*

Maybe you should examine why you don't want children. I guess if the whole world didn't want children then eventually the human race would end, now wouldn't it? Thanks for wanting to contribute to bringing more life to earth. What about if your parents didn't want children? Could it be that your not wanting to have children stems from selfishness?

I think it's acceptable to not want children for the right reasons, but come on now...to say you don't want children because you want freedom, that just sounds immature.

Originally Posted by Ninja

I have never set myself on fire before, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to try

Setting yourself on fire is "obviously" a horrible thing, whereas having a child is not...please pick a better analogy.

[lasti]

Originally Posted by Ninja

And I'm sharing mine. Welcome to the internet.

What you said literally meaned "You make me sick" and this is not a feeling. It's an insult. Or didn't I get it?

[ogrekilleat]

I think the real point is that, in general, if you're about to preface something with "With all due respect," you're probably about to say something in a disrespectful way, and you might want to consider rephrasing it.

And perhaps, since we've wandered so far off topic, we might want to open a new thread to talk about who does and does not want children--or head into the recent thread about "child-free by choice"--and get back on topic in here.

[Craiz8]

I did say, "Aside from the topic."

Which surprised me that my joy brought discussions than the "On topic."

By the way I am not offended. I'm pretty durable.
Besides "Opinions are like _ _ _holes, everyone has one."

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by MrNotebook

Maybe you should examine why you don't want children. I guess if the whole world didn't want children then eventually the human race would end, now wouldn't it? Thanks for wanting to contribute to bringing more life to earth. What about if your parents didn't want children? Could it be that your not wanting to have children stems from selfishness?

I think it's acceptable to not want children for the right reasons, but come on now...to say you don't want children because you want freedom, that just sounds immature.



Setting yourself on fire is "obviously" a horrible thing, whereas having a child is not...please pick a better analogy.

Having a child would be a horrible thing for me. Not everyone wants to parent. And to be honest, I think having a child is much more selfish than not having one, because it's all me-me-me. I want to pass on my genes, I want to feel what it's like to be a parent, I want to fit in with the rest of society, I want someone to care for me when I'm old. I could go on for years. Many people stay childfree for selfish reasons like more money, spontanious sex or sleeping in on the weekend, but don't put parents on a pedestal: they are just as selfish as the rest of us. You know why? Because in the end, we're all human. And that's okay.

I don't want children, because with that freedom, I can do a lot more for the world, rather than having to care for a single person 24/7. And if people like Mother Theresa and Jesus are immature, then I'm going to take that as a compliment

And finally, I don't really understand your concern for the extinction of the human race. Have you seen what we've done to the planet? We're not an asset: we're parasites, and no other species is going to miss us. It's an invalid arguement anyway. There will always be people who honestly want children, and said children will then A) be welcome, and B) have a cleaner planet with more resources. Everyone wins!

P.S: if my parents did not want children, you would be talking to them now.

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by lasti

What you said literally meaned "You make me sick" and this is not a feeling. It's an insult. Or didn't I get it?

He did not make me sick, but the gushing did. Because I heard it soooo many times. I could have put it more politely though

[lasti]

Originally Posted by Ninja

And to be honest, I think having a child is much more selfish than not having one, because it's all me-me-me.

I don't think you could say this in general. It depends completely on your motivation.
You can have a selfless or selfish motivation if you want children but also if you don't want them.

[torilink]

Yes, everything people do is out of self concern - sometimes we like to dress it up in some seemingly selfless act to give the appearance we're better than others or more evolved or enlightened - but at its deepest level it is always out of self concern.

what we choose depends on our own inner concerns.

no choices are better than the other - they just are.

Originally Posted by Ninja

Having a child would be a horrible thing for me. Not everyone wants to parent. And to be honest, I think having a child is much more selfish than not having one, because it's all me-me-me. I want to pass on my genes, I want to feel what it's like to be a parent, I want to fit in with the rest of society, I want someone to care for me when I'm old. I could go on for years. Many people stay childfree for selfish reasons like more money, spontanious sex or sleeping in on the weekend, but don't put parents on a pedestal: they are just as selfish as the rest of us. You know why? Because in the end, we're all human. And that's okay.

I don't want children, because with that freedom, I can do a lot more for the world, rather than having to care for a single person 24/7. And if people like Mother Theresa and Jesus are immature, then I'm going to take that as a compliment

And finally, I don't really understand your concern for the extinction of the human race. Have you seen what we've done to the planet? We're not an asset: we're parasites, and no other species is going to miss us. It's an invalid arguement anyway. There will always be people who honestly want children, and said children will then A) be welcome, and B) have a cleaner planet with more resources. Everyone wins!

P.S: if my parents did not want children, you would be talking to them now.

[Ninja]

Originally Posted by lasti

I don't think you could say this in general. It depends completely on your motivation.
You can have a selfless or selfish motivation if you want children but also if you don't want them.

Exactely. You can choose either for selfish or selfless reasons, which is why I tend to get annoyed when a parent walks up to me and says I'm selfish by default. Oh, and who says you're not?

[Tuumble]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy1

What do you think about the theory that smart people (higher IQ) less kids while people who aren't (lower IQ) have a bunch of kids they don't even know how to raise. The theory is, because of this, eventually the genetic gene-pool will have so many more dumb people, it will bring down the intelligence of the human race. It's just a theory I heard.

There is a British TV show called Dragons' Den which features five entreprenneurs who invest in the public to help bring their business ideas to fruition. Their combined wealth is over £1bn.

Peter Jones, who also appears on American Inventor, has five children, Theo Paphitis has five and Duncan Bannatyne has six! It seems they didn't work late at the office every night.

OK, money doesn't indicate intelligence but it shows that it's not a black and white issue.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Mags

This is an interesting discussion, but it is one that is flawed right from the start because it assumes that IQ test results are synonymous with intelligence, something that IQ proponents will assert is true, yet which is a controversial and unproved topic within the scientific community itself.



Back in the day when IQ tests were first developed and the "feeble-minded" or "mentally defective" were being sterilised or institutionalised, idiot was actually an official scientific term. It denoted people with IQs below 20. The words moron and imbecile were likewise also official terms for certain ranges of IQ score.

We've now included EQ into the equation.

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Ninja

Having a child would be a horrible thing for me. Not everyone wants to parent. And to be honest, I think having a child is much more selfish than not having one, because it's all me-me-me. I want to pass on my genes, I want to feel what it's like to be a parent, I want to fit in with the rest of society, I want someone to care for me when I'm old. I could go on for years. Many people stay childfree for selfish reasons like more money, spontanious sex or sleeping in on the weekend, but don't put parents on a pedestal: they are just as selfish as the rest of us. You know why? Because in the end, we're all human. And that's okay.

I don't want children, because with that freedom, I can do a lot more for the world, rather than having to care for a single person 24/7. And if people like Mother Theresa and Jesus are immature, then I'm going to take that as a compliment

And finally, I don't really understand your concern for the extinction of the human race. Have you seen what we've done to the planet? We're not an asset: we're parasites, and no other species is going to miss us. It's an invalid arguement anyway. There will always be people who honestly want children, and said children will then A) be welcome, and B) have a cleaner planet with more resources. Everyone wins!

P.S: if my parents did not want children, you would be talking to them now.

People without kids are WAY WAY WAY more selfish than most parents. I know because I was like you until I had a son and realized I had to put his life before mine. You don't have time to be selfish when you have an infant. If you were, the child might die. You have to watch them every second. You cannot even sleep, let alone do anything you want to do.

You have no idea what it's like to raise a child and the way you're talking, please don't. People like you complain about strollers and babies crying when a parent can't control them. You just have not clue how hard it is. How selfish people like yourself don't give up your seat for a pregnant woman... How people with cigarettes inadvertently blow smoke in your asthmatic child's face. You know some idiot actually stepped on my baby in his stroller and her boyfriend told me to calm down?! Parents don't get to see movies, go out to dinner, and they certainly don't get sleep. Don't compare yourself to a parent when it comes to selfishness. You're out of your league.

Now, can we get back on track here? We're supposed to be having a silly brainstorming session on how our society is evolving based on who is having kids... IQ, EQ, socioeconomic background...

[Brutha]

Maybe you should examine why you don't want children. I guess if the whole world didn't want children then eventually the human race would end, now wouldn't it?

At the moment there are a lot of good arguments to be made that our problem is overpopulation and not underpopulation.
I think that there is a good case to be made that the planet would be better of with 2 billion people than with six.

After we got our overpopulation problem handeld by raising the third world to our present level of wealth (wealthy people get less children) in 2100, simply not dying might be another solution that would solve the problem of keeping the human race alive.

[MrNotebook]

Originally Posted by Brutha

At the moment there are a lot of good arguments to be made that our problem is overpopulation and not underpopulation.
I think that there is a good case to be made that the planet would be better of with 2 billion people than with six.

After we got our overpopulation problem handeld by raising the third world to our present level of wealth (wealthy people get less children) in 2100, simply not dying might be another solution that would solve the problem of keeping the human race alive.

I admit, you got a good argument Brutha. I can't deny the truths here. Didn't think of it from this angle.

[Craiz8]

I happy to see this is finally getting back on subject.

The fact that we were made to create, makes this entire post circumstantial. Dumb people will undoubtedly have more children because they either don't care or are to stupid to stop. Smarter people (meaning they think about something beforehand) will be more reserved.

BUT, that doesn't mean that our species will really have any effect on anything. Mother EARTH will menstruate and probably abort us, then douche us all away.

We are a stinky, nasty, growing virus, that is polluting the central balance.

So whether it is idiots or geniuses we are still not helping. And if we were to fathom, the earth as a living entity:

Earth: Yes doctor I have been experiencing some really weird symptoms lately.
Doctor: What are they?
Earth: I stink, My skin is dry, I itch EVERYWHERE, I have dark spots, I feel weak, My stomach is always gurgling.........
(couple of decades later)
My head hurts, and I'm experiencing hot flashes.
Doctor: Well... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............
We are going to have to do some major reconstruction and some evasive procedures. We usually just give you some antibiotics and send you on your way. BUT, YOU are a mess. Do you have any history?

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Craiz8

I happy to see this is finally getting back on subject.

The fact that we were made to create, makes this entire post circumstantial. Dumb people will undoubtedly have more children because they either don't care or are to stupid to stop. Smarter people (meaning they think about something beforehand) will be more reserved.

BUT, that doesn't mean that our species will really have any effect on anything. Mother EARTH will menstruate and probably abort us, then douche us all away.

We are a stinky, nasty, growing virus, that is polluting the central balance.

So whether it is idiots or geniuses we are still not helping. And if we were to fathom, the earth as a living entity:

Earth: Yes doctor I have been experiencing some really weird symptoms lately.
Doctor: What are they?
Earth: I stink, My skin is dry, I itch EVERYWHERE, I have dark spots, I feel weak, My stomach is always gurgling.........
(couple of decades later)
My head hurts, and I'm experiencing hot flashes.
Doctor: Well... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............
We are going to have to do some major reconstruction and some evasive procedures. We usually just give you some antibiotics and send you on your way. BUT, YOU are a mess. Do you have any history?

That's hilarious! I love it.