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Old 05-18-2008, 03:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The SHIFT.

As everyone knows by now there is a Shift going on.

What is it?

In as simple words as ever, it is throwing away the idea that Linear time exists.
What is Linear time?

It is the dinosauric view that we are stuck in the "flow of time", the flow of Past > Present > Future.

There's one little problem with this view.

It completely gets rid of the present.

I've even read by esteemed Scientist's that they are now saying, because of this "flow of time" it is impossible to experience the "present".

This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. They have gone down to the depths of stupidity.

Think about it. You cannot experience the "present" because it is constantly being "swallowed" by the past and the future?

This is the Shift.
The Shift into Quantamic Time.

Your Now, is creating Everything around you.
Your Now, is All that you can ever experience.
From this continual, never "ending" Now, you are Literally creating your past and future.

This Shift is also getting rid of "god", and all the limits that such a belief entails.

There are clues in the Bible.
The first sentence states, "In the Beginning was the word."

Reverse engineer the Statement and you have, There is no Beginning and Words are what make us think there was. That word is Time.
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The first sentence states, "In the Beginning was the word.".....That word is Time.
I thought the word is love.
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And Kudos to Steve and Erin for setting up a forum that draws in huge numbers of people that talks about these subjects.
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I thought the word is love.
Lol....!

I'm Really beginning to think that it's not love that binds this universe, but Humor.

Lol.....!
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I think you might be right. Anyway, love is pretty funny, don't you think? Time sure is!
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The "word" was the name of God. Also a cosmic sound.

The present only exists as an illusion to humanity because of our impediment of only being able to see reality in a linear fashion. When we evolve to the next level, this won't be an issue anymore.

So, what's stopping you from evolving?

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When I evolve to the next level, I want to have a sixth, opposable digit that extends out from the insteps of my feet. I think that would be very helpful in my evolution.

It shows up in my dreams a lot. Maybe this is de-evolution though, because it is sort of, well, simian.
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The "word" was the name of God. Also a cosmic sound.

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Jennifer.
I'm not here to argue "god". It becomes an infinite regress with no progress.
Just to point out the Shift.
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And I appreciate that you opened this small virtual room so that I may ponder life's deeper questions with you.

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I had an interesting conversation about this with my eleven year old yesterday.

He said, "How can you ever be late for something? Time is a concept. Whenever you get there you are 'on time'?"

"Good point. Time is an illusion." I look forward to the day he says this to one of his employers.

"I wonder why it is that we grow old then." He pondered.

I responded, "Do we grow old? Right now I am 31 and you are 11. Ten years from now, I will be 41 and you will be 21. But it will still be right now. In fact, no other time exists but right now."

He got this interesting look on his face as he chewed on this thought. I imagine I looked similar the first time I realized this when I was 16.

I tend to think that time is concentric from the present moment. We are not caught in the flow of time so much as the origin of time is now and it ripples off from there. Like if I think of the past or future, I am really looking at a ripple or reflection of this present moment.

Right now exists everywhere at once. It is a constant, the origin of conscious being itself. The seat of power: nothing can occur outside of the present. It may not be God, but it is a close approximation.

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I love the way you put this.
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Thanks!

As for the Shift, I was not aware it had to do with time. The Shift everyone else is talking about has to do with human consciousness and evolution to another level of conciousness. But maybe because quantum mechanics will play a huge role in that shift, and does play a huge role in life already, perception of time may change with the shift.

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I believe there is a shift going on too (at least i hope there is!) I just read "A New Earth; Awakening To Your Life's Purpose" and from the sounds of it,some of you have too...and it talks about this exactly. I'm excited Evolve or die. Count me in as one of the evolvers!
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(: I've talked about this recently a bit. I figure high consciousness breeds high consciousness, so it'd tend to go in a logarithmic scale, i.e. critical mass, liftoff.

I think this generation will be the beggining of something amazing ^^ Say what you like, with the industrial and informational revolutions here and golbal warming on the doorstep, we can't not expect some pretty major shifts to take place.
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Thanks!

As for the Shift, I was not aware it had to do with time. The Shift everyone else is talking about has to do with human consciousness and evolution to another level of conciousness. But maybe because quantum mechanics will play a huge role in that shift, and does play a huge role in life already, perception of time may change with the shift.

Jennifer
I think it is a shift to autonomy. The growing sentiment I see is towards a world where we don't need a government because we can govern ourselves. We won't need employers because we employ ourselves. We don't need dogmatics because we think for ourselves. Ultimately, we become independent because we understand the inter-dependence of all beings. I wouldn't hurt someone, deceive them or control them because I understand that this not only effects me as an individual, but also "me" as the whole of humanity, "me" as a planet or "me" as a cosmos.

This is the culmination of a vision that has been replayed throughout human history. And that culmination, as an individual consciousness, occurs as the here and now.

I don't mean to sound all dramatic, it's just the decor in this virtual room
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Awesome.
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I had an interesting conversation about this with my eleven year old yesterday.

He said, "How can you ever be late for something? Time is a concept. Whenever you get there you are 'on time'?"

"Good point. Time is an illusion." I look forward to the day he says this to one of his employers.

"I wonder why it is that we grow old then." He pondered.

I responded, "Do we grow old? Right now I am 31 and you are 11. Ten years from now, I will be 41 and you will be 21. But it will still be right now. In fact, no other time exists but right now."

He got this interesting look on his face as he chewed on this thought. I imagine I looked similar the first time I realized this when I was 16.

I tend to think that time is concentric from the present moment. We are not caught in the flow of time so much as the origin of time is now and it ripples off from there. Like if I think of the past or future, I am really looking at a ripple or reflection of this present moment.

Right now exists everywhere at once. It is a constant, the origin of conscious being itself. The seat of power: nothing can occur outside of the present. It may not be God, but it is a close approximation.



I love the way you put this.
Smart kid.


Yeah the implications are astounding.
Personally I'm watin for all the old people to die off, so that the New Paradigm, which is with the young, can take off.
(I bit morbid, but thats what I believe.)


The old are holding on to Linear time for dear life. It's what they know.
(Of course, there are exceptions.)
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I tend to think that time is concentric from the present moment. We are not caught in the flow of time so much as the origin of time is now and it ripples off from there. Like if I think of the past or future, I am really looking at a ripple or reflection of this present moment.
Linear time is ingrained deep in our psyche's.
BUT, to get rid of it, doesn't take long, if one makes the effort.
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I think this generation will be the beggining of something amazing ^^ Say what you like, with the industrial and informational revolutions here and golbal warming on the doorstep, we can't not expect some pretty major shifts to take place.
I agree 100%.
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Personally I'm watin for all the old people to die off, so that the New Paradigm, which is with the young, can take off)...

...The old are holding on to Linear time for dear life. It's what they know.
Infinite, you made me laugh out loud with the irony of this statement.

Take a look, and see if you can spot the opportunity for a leap in awareness.
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Infinite, you made me laugh out loud with the irony of this statement.

Take a look, and see if you can spot the opportunity for a leap in awareness.
I know, I know.....

But at the same time, there is truth to it.
Cause we are all connected telepathically.
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I know, I know.....

But at the same time, there is truth to it.
Cause we are all connected telepathically.
So you can see that you are waiting for a part of yourself to die off, yes?
That you are *shoulding* the world and therefore yourself -- making yourself wrong and, incidentally, being married to linear time?
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So you can see that you are waiting for a part of yourself to die off, yes?
That you are *shoulding* the world and therefore yourself -- making yourself wrong and, incidentally, being married to linear time?
Of course.

I like that "married to linear time".

I'm workin on the divorce.

hehehe....
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I'm workin on the divorce.
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I hope it's amicable, for the sake of all the "children" you and linear time have had together.
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I hope it's amicable, for the sake of all the "children" you and linear time have had together.
Lol......
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Time: The Past is a memory, i.e. an idea, an object of consciousness. The Future is an image, another idea, another object of consciousness. The Present, which we never know until it is Past, is therefore also an idea, a notion, an object of consciousness. None of them is real, each is imaginary. Time does not exist.
The eternal present, the now-moment, the interval between thoughts, which we normally never perceive, alone is real.

Time is only an inference, devised in an effort to explain growth, development, extension and change, which constitute a further direction of measurement beyond the three that we know and at right-angles to volume; and 'past', 'present' and 'future' are inferences derived from this temporal interpretation of the further dimension in which extension appears to occur. All forms of temporality, therefore, are conceptual and imagined.

Happiness is dependent on duration: it can only appear to exist in the sequence of 'time'. Moreover nobody can know that he is happy - an animal doesn't, a child doesn't; a man may know it afterwards. Therefore happiness can only be an effect of memory.


Some thoughts from Wei Wu Wei on time.
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Happiness is dependent on duration:......
.....Therefore happiness can only be an effect of memory.....
You're back in the false belief of the "flow of time".

Get out.

All you can experience is NOW.
Happiness is always NOW.
You are NOW.
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I often consider what you are saying about the flow of time as I'm working. Then I consider how this job makes me show up at a certain time or else I am punished. And I leave at a certain time as well. And other times, I don't have to show up because it is designated time off. While I am at work, I have to produce so much within a given amount of time.

The whole deal seems to remove me from the present moment. It turns my life into a hamster wheel. And I'm not sure how to get off.

I guess what I am asking is how do you apply this thought in the real world?
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I often consider what you are saying about the flow of time as I'm working. Then I consider how this job makes me show up at a certain time or else I am punished. And I leave at a certain time as well. And other times, I don't have to show up because it is designated time off. While I am at work, I have to produce so much within a given amount of time.

The whole deal seems to remove me from the present moment. It turns my life into a hamster wheel. And I'm not sure how to get off.

I guess what I am asking is how do you apply this thought in the real world?
That's the core isn't it?
Work.

The way to get rid of it is not to work.
But you need money.

How do you get enough money so as not to work. (Or another angle is you could live somewhere where no money is needed.)

I submit that the way to do it is through going into the depths of what this NOW is.

What is NOW?
Let me know what you think.
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That's the core isn't it?
Work.

The way to get rid of it is not to work.
But you need money.

How do you get enough money so as not to work. (Or another angle is you could live somewhere where no money is needed.)

I submit that the way to do it is through going into the depths of what this NOW is.

What is NOW?
Let me know what you think.
I'm not sure if this is the 'right' answer. I'll probably have a different one here right after I post this.

It occurred to me that everything is happening in this moment. The universe was born/sustained/destroyed in this moment. What's really changing is what I am aware of or what I perceive to be NOW. Kind of like being in a dark room with a flash light. What I perceive as 'the room' depends on where I point the light. And everything in existence is in the room somewhere.

Bringing this around to work and money. The money I need so as not to work exists in the Now. It's a matter of perceiving it. My real job is perceiving. Intention is just choosing to perceive certain experiences in the Now.

That's what I got so far. What do you think?
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I'm not sure if this is the 'right' answer. I'll probably have a different one here right after I post this.

It occurred to me that everything is happening in this moment. The universe was born/sustained/destroyed in this moment. What's really changing is what I am aware of or what I perceive to be NOW. Kind of like being in a dark room with a flash light. What I perceive as 'the room' depends on where I point the light. And everything in existence is in the room somewhere.

Bringing this around to work and money. The money I need so as not to work exists in the Now. It's a matter of perceiving it. My real job is perceiving. Intention is just choosing to perceive certain experiences in the Now.

That's what I got so far. What do you think?
Cool Answer.

So now you have to tackle the nitty gritty of "perceiving" it NOW. From my experience, what'll always come up is Linear Time.

It's a matter of continually looking at Linear Time, seeing what it is, and this moves you to what really is.
Linear time is just a Habit, that needs to be replaced.

What happens is that this "problem" of perceiving it NOW, is really not a problem but more so a Gift. A gift to start Waking up.

As it stands now, you'll have to start from there. (This is where I'm at right now.)
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