non-duality....some one believe in that

[jaideepv1234]

hey guys out there ........

does in the highest state of non-duality,meditation (there is even no 'higher or lower in this) ,DOES BRAIN,MIND FUNCTIONS?

just want to know what other people think on this?

in meditation ,whatvere thing we experience ......this will come under the 'subjective reality or objective reality ''
what u think guys?........

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

hey guys out there ........

does in the highest state of non-duality,meditation (there is even no 'higher or lower in this) ,DOES BRAIN,MIND FUNCTIONS?

just want to know what other people think on this?

in meditation ,whatvere thing we experience ......this will come under the 'subjective reality or objective reality ''
what u think guys?........

Is there only oneness?
Duality is the illusion that we think up can exist without down. But with oneness one realizes they come together. Up and down are mutually arising and dependent on each other. They only exist because of each other. What happens is our minds like to think up and down are two different things. If we can know and take up and down to be the same thing, in the way that neither exists without the other, and really know that in our depths - we will feel a oneness, but the duality is still there. We just don't see the duality as separated and individual concepts.

Duality is the objective way of thinking. Subjective reality is oneness (non-duality). At least that's how I map those ideas.

Yes, I experience oneness at times. It shows up and my brain is still operating. I like to think it's possible to have oneness feelings and still think. That we can operate as individuals (duality) in a secondary way to oneness.

A Part From The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power:http://www.joelkramer-dianaalstad.co...ss_chapter.pdf

Originally Posted by ;From The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power

The actual experience of underlying unity is different from thought
creating an abstract concept of it, and then making that concept
more real than individuated existence. What should not be
forgotten is that it takes an individual to experience unity. Oneness
is an abstraction that presents itself as beyond dualism, but has
within it a hidden duality. Dividing the cosmos into two categories
or levels of reality is dualistic by nature. The ideology of Oneness
(as opposed to the experience of it) creates an opposition with
multiplicity, calling itself "higher" and more real. And although the
mystical experience can give a person a deeper connection with the
cosmos, by contrast the ideology of Oneness with its camouflaged,
hierarchical dualism has separated the spiritual from the worldly
and humanity from nature.

[Sukie]

I believe that in Reality there is no duality between us and our maker, what ever name you choose to give, our maker.

For me as I started on my journey to expand my Spiritual Awareness, or as I sometime call it Self Mastery, I experimented with things such as crystals, tarot cards and readings. Each of them worked for me according to my belief in them and I learned allot.

But when I began studying Science of Mind by Ernest Holmes I realized that there is no duality between my maker and I and I can tap into all the power and knowledge I need to live an empowered life DIRECTLY!!!

I'm not knocking anyone who uses "mediums" to contact Source it's just something that as I expanded my awareness I no longer needed.

Blesssings

[jaideepv1234]

hey sukie
i think we shared SAME THE AIM IN LIFE'''TO LIVE THE EMPOVERED LIFE

[Nneka]

I have experienced being in a meditative state and still functioning. You must dispel the myth that the meditative state is this oohey place, where you are zoned out. In a meditative stateI experienced, during silent meditation and actively doing something, a state of heightened awareness with All - complete in the moment being. So much so that sometimes, I just oberve myself doing something, like a narrator.

Jesus is a good example of this also, except he lived there and I'm only there for about 5 minutes every 5 months:-)

[infinitethoughts]

I'd just like to add. In a certain sense, Non-duality is never fully attainable.

Why do I say this.

Because, in the NOW, which goes on "forever" (which is a nonsense term because we're playing with this toy we've created....."time") there will always be duality.

The duality of you as the Void and you as the non-Void.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

The duality of you as the Void and you as the non-Void.

It has always been this way, it is this way Now, it will always be that way.
(The above was spoken in the sense of the existence of "time".)

[dave marshall]

HI,

for me one of the most challenging aspects of my journey has been to accept the notion of group consciousness and what I experience to be oneness.

I have have learnt that althoug we appear separate from every one and thing else, we are also part of everything, body else.

Experiences like 'time' and the seeming 'end' of the physical body in terms of skin cause us to experience reality in a form of separation however neyond the physical experience we are connected. So we are separate and part of a group at the same time.

As I look through my physical eyes I appear separate but within my feelings and psychic/mental experience I can experience a oneness. As I focus my attention inward, away from the physical senses I gain a real experience of the connectedness within my experience, I am learning to bring that cosncious knowling of my connection with my reality whilst experiencing the physical separation from my physical senses.

dave

dave

[bellemeadows]

Originally Posted by dave marshall

HI,

for me one of the most challenging aspects of my journey has been to accept the notion of group consciousness and what I experience to be oneness.

I have have learnt that althoug we appear separate from every one and thing else, we are also part of everything, body else.

Experiences like 'time' and the seeming 'end' of the physical body in terms of skin cause us to experience reality in a form of separation however neyond the physical experience we are connected. So we are separate and part of a group at the same time.

As I look through my physical eyes I appear separate but within my feelings and psychic/mental experience I can experience a oneness. As I focus my attention inward, away from the physical senses I gain a real experience of the connectedness within my experience, I am learning to bring that cosncious knowling of my connection with my reality whilst experiencing the physical separation from my physical senses.

dave

dave

Dave -- beautifully stated. I agree completely. It is possible to be aware of the all-that-is, and still function in this world. Jesus termed that state being in this world, but not of it. All you need do to get there, is truly in your heart want it, and set your intention to achieve it. All the tools, the mind-training, whatever you need to achieve that state will be provided.

Blessings from Belle,

[jaideepv1234]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

I'd just like to add. In a certain sense, Non-duality is never fully attainable.

Why do I say this.

Because, in the NOW, which goes on "forever" (which is a nonsense term because we're playing with this toy we've created....."time") there will always be duality.

The duality of you as the Void and you as the non-Void.

hi infinitethoughts, i m going as u say,i m paying attention to NOW.but as m paying attention,firstly m aware of paying attention to now,but after sometime i forget to pay attention to now,suppose when i meet my friends,at that time i forget.or i lose my grip on this task.

i know continues hardwork is neccessary,

thanks for this useful advice...m njoying the task.
see u soon
take care
hey i send u request on skype.........bye bye

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

,but after sometime i forget to pay attention to now,suppose when i meet my friends,at that time i forget.or i lose my grip on this task.

LOL.......!
jaideep. That was funny.


Try this. In the beginning it's extremely beneficial to do it by yourself.
Make the time in the morning, (this is the best time, since you've just "returned" from "eternity") make tea or coffee, smoke tobacco to help the neurons in your brain........then simply sit and ask yourself AM I A PRODUCT OF MY PAST.

Additionally, make yourself aware that at each moment, you are generating your/the past and your/the future.

Do this every morning.

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

hey i send u request on skype.........bye bye

I screwed up. Gave you the wrong name. Try martin.haffner or martin haffner
Then I should get it.

[jaideepv1234]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

LOL.......!
jaideep. That was funny.


Try this. In the beginning it's extremely beneficial to do it by yourself.
Make the time in the morning, (this is the best time, since you've just "returned" from "eternity") make tea or coffee, smoke tobacco to help the neurons in your brain........then simply sit and ask yourself AM I A PRODUCT OF MY PAST.

Additionally, make yourself aware that at each moment, you are generating your/the past and your/the future.

Do this every morning.



I screwed up. Gave you the wrong name. Try martin.haffner or martin haffner
Then I should get it.

hey thanks i did this in the morning.......and that was amazzing.....i first time experienced that in my life...m very happy
feeling very nice....i m getting my answers now.........thnks infinie.for this exercise.......to prctise this in morning (for future) is really hard for me.i m in night ship in the hospital so,any time i may get the call by patient......( i know ,losser never gives excuses)
but anyhow i have to do it...........( coz i want it to do it)
see u buddy ......
pls take care

[bellemeadows]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

I'd just like to add. In a certain sense, Non-duality is never fully attainable.

Why do I say this.

Because, in the NOW, which goes on "forever" (which is a nonsense term because we're playing with this toy we've created....."time") there will always be duality.

The duality of you as the Void and you as the non-Void.

Ok, I have to disagree, just a little. I believe that nonduality is our basic state. So time is just a temporary phoenomenon we experience, a dimension of our experience of the NOW. What happens when we transcend dimensions in our awareness?

I have no proof; I just believe this. However, from a scientific standpoint, I believe there is some evidence this may be so -- Einstein got this concept. But I have no proof to give. . . .

Blessings from Belle,

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by bellemeadows

Ok, I have to disagree, just a little. I believe that nonduality is our basic state. So time is just a temporary phoenomenon we experience, a dimension of our experience of the NOW. What happens when we transcend dimensions in our awareness?

I have no proof; I just believe this. However, from a scientific standpoint, I believe there is some evidence this may be so -- Einstein got this concept. But I have no proof to give. . . .

Blessings from Belle,

The issues is if the Void is really oneness. Or if Non-void is? Duality is everywhere. But is it in oneness? Is there an opposite to oneness? To have a working definition of oneness - there can be no opposite of oneness. I don't think oneness can be thought of as void/non-void. Then again oneness probably can't really be thought of at all - since thought seems to always have a duality to it. But then oneness does kind of have to have something else that isn't oneness for it to be something. argh...

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by bellemeadows

Ok, I have to disagree, just a little. I believe that nonduality is our basic state. So time is just a temporary phoenomenon we experience, a dimension of our experience of the NOW. What happens when we transcend dimensions in our awareness?

I have no proof; I just believe this. However, from a scientific standpoint, I believe there is some evidence this may be so -- Einstein got this concept. But I have no proof to give. . . .

Blessings from Belle,

Hey Belle.

Try this:
Where ever you are now, imagine that the words "past" and "future" do not exist.

What this does is, it puts you in a state of reality.

All "problems" (they're not really problems but mechanism's to wake up) do is give you the opportunity to learn and then wake up (but waking up doesn't mean you can't keep playing the game) from this game we've set up called "time".

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

The issues is if the Void is really oneness. Or if Non-void is? Duality is everywhere. But is it in oneness? Is there an opposite to oneness? To have a working definition of oneness - there can be no opposite of oneness. I don't think oneness can be thought of as void/non-void. Then again oneness probably can't really be thought of at all - since thought seems to always have a duality to it. But then oneness does kind of have to have something else that isn't oneness for it to be something. argh...

I got a headache readin that, Wolfgang.

LOL............!

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

I got a headache readin that, Wolfgang.

LOL............!

yeah- where's the smiley for headache?

my mind chases it's tail over oneness...

[PerDev]

Originally Posted by jaideepv1234

hey guys out there ........

does in the highest state of non-duality,meditation (there is even no 'higher or lower in this) ,DOES BRAIN,MIND FUNCTIONS?

just want to know what other people think on this?

in meditation ,whatvere thing we experience ......this will come under the 'subjective reality or objective reality ''
what u think guys?........

I WOULD REQUIRE TO TRY IT