|04-30-2009, 02:08 AM||#31 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
is like asking is Destiny exist...
you have a Destiny but you can use your free will to avoid it...
You have free will but there is a Destiny that's always knocking at the door remaining you what you should do.
I believe everything we do depends of what already happened and that all the future is "written" and we can not change it.
There's lot of precognizition stuff to show that. I've learnt myself things in my dreams that predicts thing about the next day. But in the past I didn't see any pattern or thought it was my imagination.
But what you do is already decided much before you do it. And others too.
I use to have a recurrent dream before any bad day for me and other dream before any day I'll achieve a great thing.
It has taken away much of excitation for the "good days" but the "bad days" are not so hard for me cause i'm more relaxed.
It's just part of the "script"...
|04-30-2009, 02:14 AM||#32 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
he can not destroy himself. he can not turn back time. he can not alter himself in anyway, he just is, etc.
|04-30-2009, 02:27 AM||#33 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Because God wants a sophisticated enough being to understand the creation.
And these are we. All the matter evolved till dust to the masterpiece, the human brain, that's basicallly the Universe/God trying to understand itself.
And I guess in the future there'll be a greater sophistication so we/whoever will be more conscious about it all.
I mean rocks and planets are not enough to understand, they can not think. We're quite some steps forward , while alive of course, and any alive being, who understand what does hurt him or does him good.
He feels it, that's why we need the pain and the pleasure.
I mean we're better having 2 hands, so if your finger aches is cause is sending a message to you there's something going wrong.
Without that you would put a finger in a fire yet not noticing any pain and fire all yourself.
But not, god/source/the big consciousness wants you alive, he likes life, you know... it took long to achieve that in the universe
|04-30-2009, 10:47 PM||#34 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2009
In the world of Transfinite numbers that rule is true about the lower infinities. But the highest infinity - The Absolute Infinite - which would be the one representing God cannot be manipulated with math.
There is a thing called the "Reflection Principle" which says any description you have of the Absolute is only a reflection of the actual thing. So it can't be used to make conclusive statements. In math god is unknowable.
Still a good intellectual topic.
|05-12-2009, 08:47 AM||#39 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: on God's beautiful earth, in heaven :), & you?
You want God, to also save humanity from its 'stupid' choices, too?
GOD should let us each, as He does so well, choose... who & what we will pattern... our eternal lifestyle after, right?
|05-17-2009, 10:24 AM||#40 (permalink)|
Join Date: Feb 2009
Egoic free will doesn't exist. Egos are all products of external influences. Those external influences are products of precursor external influences. You can keep going back until you reach the only logical conclusion, that source is the original external influence (or internal for that matter). In this way, ego is source. The thought that you have choice is an illusion, but it is the only thought you can have if you have it (as you have no will).
Now, there is room for internal influences, but those are not egoic (because any egoic internal influences are just the culmination of external influences). Which leaves source as the only internal influence. This flow is not choice based, either. You can not live in flow and choose what you do.
As I said before, though, the idea of ego vs source is silly to start with. That duality cannot exist because ego is of source. Therefore, everything is in perfect harmony and flow and even those of you fighting your idea of flow with your idea of free will are in flow.
You cannot escape, everything is right and you have no control.
|05-17-2009, 10:50 AM||#41 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: I'm a traveler everywhere and nowhere.. currently in Denver.. where else?
There is a protection system in place.. if you want to call it that..
Even when some of us our provided evidence of the "truth" to play the game we forget.. we disavow.. we deny the truth if we wish it is our right as players by choice in this limitation game..
In addition that release you talk about 1 method is simply death.. Your also missing even more rules to the game such as parallel reality's, a re-load in effect.. the use of selective memory.. and that we our given guidance in our lives in somewhat form..
Maybe you should knock it up a step in your theoretical model..
What if we had a genie with 3 wishes and some of those harder wishes might be?
I wish you genie and me and reality in its unlimitedness to not exist
Now you might ask why can't we do this?
Because we are in a limitation game.. we don't even have access to our own powers which are far greater than that.. and all our powers as it were are slowed down/delayed by TIME SPACE illusion.. and convoluted belief systems.. the game is the equivalent to saying (computer metaphors) I love being level 100.. but I feel like maybe I should throw myself into darkness and start all over again.. at level 1 working my way back up to level 100 cause obviously the JOURNEY is the fun..
And it's just about here.. that I give up on my point as it seems lost in translation and I don't really give a F#$%
I can only say that we our 3rd dimension entity's we may not be able to see the bigger picture which given were in a limited reality makes sense that we will only get a limited view..
One of the laws of creation for yah..
1. The all is one, the one is all (chew on that one for a while )
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|05-21-2009, 04:22 AM||#42 (permalink)|
Join Date: May 2009
God did more than create us with just a body and a brain. He also created us with special mental and emotional qualities. A key part of our mental and emotional makeup is free will. Yes, God implanted in us the faculty of freedom of choice. It was indeed a wonderful gift from him.
No normal person wants his life taken out of his control so completely. Why not? Because of the way God made us. The Bible tells us that God created man in his ‘image and likeness,’ and one of the faculties God himself has is freedom of choice. (Genesis 1:26; Deuteronomy 7:6) When he created humans, he gave them that same wonderful faculty—the gift of free will. That is one reason why we find it frustrating to be enslaved by oppressive rulers.
So the desire for freedom is no accident, for God is a God of freedom. The Bible says: “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom..” (2Corinthians 3:17) Hence, God gave us free will as part of our very makeup. Since he knew the way our minds and emotions would work, he knew that we would be happiest with free will.
To go with the gift of free will, God gave us the ability to think, weigh matters, make decisions, and know right from wrong. (Hebrews 5:14) Thus, free will was to be based on intelligent choice. We were not made like mindless robots having no will of their own. Nor were we created to act out of instinct as were the animals. Instead, our marvelous brain was designed to work in harmony with our freedom of choice.
To show how caring God was, along with the gift of free will, our first parents, Adam and Eve, were given everything that anyone could reasonably want. They were put in a large, parklike paradise. They had material abundance. They had perfect minds and bodies, so they would not have to get old or get sick or die—they could have lived forever. They would have had perfect children who could also have had a happy, everlasting future. And the expanding population would have had the satisfying work of eventually turning the entire earth into a paradise.—Genesis 1:26-30; 2:15.
Regarding what was provided, the Bible relates: “God saw everything he had made and, look! it was very good.” (Genesis 1:31) The Bible also says of God: “Perfect is his activity.” (Deuteronomy 32:4) Yes, the Creator gave the human family a perfect start. It could not have been better.
However, did God purpose for free will to be without limits? Imagine a busy city without any traffic laws, where everybody could drive in any direction at any speed. Would you want to drive under those conditions? No, that would be traffic anarchy and would surely result in many accidents.
So too with God’s gift of free will. Unlimited freedom would mean anarchy in society. There have to be laws to guide human activities. God’s Word says: “Behave like free men, and never use your freedom as an excuse for wickedness.” (1Peter 2:16) God wants free will to be regulated for the common good. He purposed for us to have, not total freedom, but relative freedom, subject to the rule of law.
And whose laws were we designed to obey? Another part of the text at 1Peter 2:16 states: “You are slaves of no one except God.” This does not mean an oppressive slavery, but, rather, it means that we were designed to be happiest when in subjection to God’s laws. (Matthew 22:35-40) His laws, more than any laws devised by humans, provide the best guide. “I am your God, the One teaching you to benefit yourself, the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk.”—Isaiah 48:17.
At the same time, God’s laws allow for great freedom of choice within their boundaries. This results in variety and makes the human family fascinating. Think of the different types of food, clothing, music, art, and homes throughout the world. We surely prefer to have our choice in such matters rather than have some other person decide for us. Thus we were created to be happiest when subject to God’s laws for human behavior. It is similar to being subject to God’s physical laws. For instance, if we ignore the law of gravity and jump off a high place, we will be injured or killed. If we ignore the internal laws of our body and stop eating food, drinking water, or breathing air, we will die.
As surely as we were created with the need to submit to God’s physical laws, we were created with the need to submit to God’s moral and social laws. (Matthew 4:4) Humans were not created to be independent of their Maker and be successful. The prophet Jeremiah says: “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” (Jeremiah 10:23,24) So in every way humans were created to live under God’s rulership, not their own.
Obedience to God’s laws would not have been burdensome for our first parents. Instead, it would have worked for their welfare and that of the entire human family. Had the first pair stayed within the limits of God’s laws, all would have been well. In fact, we would now be living in a wonderful paradise of pleasure as a loving, united human family! There would not have been wickedness, suffering, and death.
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