Question about Subjective Reality

[Nani]

Hi!

I've been reading Steve's blog for a looong while now, and one thing I've never really thought about but am interested in now is subjective reality. It's really interesting but I don't understand it completely.

In Steve's case, if there is only one conciousness, his conciousness, then why does he speak and give advice to people as if their conciousness is all there is?

Also, let's say you're playing a game of chess with another person. You truly believe and intend that you will win the game even though you've never played it before, and there is no hidden higher belief that you have about this, like the belief that you need lots of experience to win a game of chess. Then, under subjective reality...would you win?

And I don't understand to what extent I have power in my reality. If I'm looking for an accurate model, then doesn't that mean reality works a certain way and has its own rules, so I can't just create my own. If I truly, truly believe I can fly, or the laws of physics are wrong, then I can really fly and make up my own rules about physics?

I also don't get relationships with people in this kind of reality. I understand that the relationships are really your relationships with yourself (right?) but then, if everyone is really a part of me, then me is all there is, and isn't that lonely? I'm trying not to get my ego mixed up in this, but I find that with one conciousness and dream characters walking around in it, being the real me, is still lonely. ...

Sorry if these are silly questions. I want to understand this.

[jsam]

Hi Nani!

I'll try to give you my take on this difficult to understand concept.
First, in our ego world, especially in the Western communities, we place great value in doing. When we think of power, we usually think of what we might do with it. I think what is described as subjective reality is the state called "non doing" which is taught in many spiritual diciplines. In Tolle's book, "The Power of Now", he is teaching that there is a greater power than any the ego can imagine- the power of just "being", which blows away the illusions of our daily lives. Can one use this power to do what one wants in this world? I do not know, from my experience. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that prayer works, that people can be healed psychically, that strong intentions can bring many desired consequences. For me, the jury is still out, but I like to think that we can will without ego filtering, and make the world a better place.

Namaste...sam

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Nani

In Steve's case, if there is only one conciousness, his conciousness, then why does he speak and give advice to people as if their conciousness is all there is?

Consciousness is communicating with itself. That can be expressed in many ways I guess. I'm you talking to you now. Or is it me talking to me now? It's both.

Originally Posted by Nani

Also, let's say you're playing a game of chess with another person. You truly believe and intend that you will win the game even though you've never played it before, and there is no hidden higher belief that you have about this, like the belief that you need lots of experience to win a game of chess. Then, under subjective reality...would you win?

Probably. But could someone in the human experience pull this off? Doubtful. There way too much denial in our experience.

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Originally Posted by Nani

And I don't understand to what extent I have power in my reality. If I'm looking for an accurate model, then doesn't that mean reality works a certain way and has its own rules, so I can't just create my own. If I truly, truly believe I can fly, or the laws of physics are wrong, then I can really fly and make up my own rules about physics

You create your experience. 100% of it. Reality is a reflection of you.
If you're looking for an accurate model to create reality with, you're trying to see consciousness with the mind. You can't. The mind is an expression of consciousness. It is created by consciousness. It can't see how it or anything else comes into our reality.

You can fly in the world, but you need to get through a lot of denial first. First one being -- I am the creator and I create all my experience, now

Originally Posted by Nani

I also don't get relationships with people in this kind of reality. I understand that the relationships are really your relationships with yourself (right?) but then, if everyone is really a part of me, then me is all there is, and isn't that lonely? I'm trying not to get my ego mixed up in this, but I find that with one conciousness and dream characters walking around in it, being the real me, is still lonely. ...

Yes you're having a relationship with yourself. I don't know about the dream characters part. They ARE you. 'They' are consciousness just as you are. They're not fake. They're you. Go hit one and find out. They're quite real in one sense, and everything in this reality is an illusion in another sense. Gotta love ambiguity.

I think the lonely part is coming from your mind. When I experience everyone I meet as myself I find I'm quite fascinated. I am huge. There's a lot to me that I never see.

[Angela]

I can't answer for Steve's philosophy, but here's my understanding of your questions.

Originally Posted by Nani

In Steve's case, if there is only one conciousness, his conciousness, then why does he speak and give advice to people as if their conciousness is all there is?

"Steve" is one aspect of the Steve consciousness. "Others" are more aspects of the Steve consciousness, none more "real" another. "Steve" and "others" are all illusional aspects (like game characters) of the one consciousness, all mirroring each other, all part of the same game. The real "real" is the one consciousness; the game (of physical reality) is "his" ("our") fun, growth-filled, challenging, playful experiment in hiding our true nature from ourselves and experiencing the expansion into who we really are -- infinite power.

Also, let's say you're playing a game of chess with another person. You truly believe and intend that you will win the game even though you've never played it before, and there is no hidden higher belief that you have about this, like the belief that you need lots of experience to win a game of chess. Then, under subjective reality...would you win?

It takes more than just belief to build something into the fabric of reality at will. And anyway, it's no fun or challenge to just *poof* win at a game (chess OR expansion); the delight and growth we get in playing out the game is not to be missed, if we're going to make the most of it here. And we are!

And I don't understand to what extent I have power in my reality. If I'm looking for an accurate model, then doesn't that mean reality works a certain way and has its own rules, so I can't just create my own. If I truly, truly believe I can fly, or the laws of physics are wrong, then I can really fly and make up my own rules about physics?

Again, it's not just beliefs. Part of the way we've designed this expansion game is that we create it so well that we're absolutely convinced by the illusion. So, it's rare that the "laws" appear to be broken, because we are really, really talented at keeping the fabric of the illusion intact, so that we can best play the game. And.... the laws can be broken, on purpose. There is no limit to our power but the illusionary "rules" we've imposed on ourselves for purposes of the game.

I also don't get relationships with people in this kind of reality. I understand that the relationships are really your relationships with yourself (right?) but then, if everyone is really a part of me, then me is all there is, and isn't that lonely? I'm trying not to get my ego mixed up in this, but I find that with one conciousness and dream characters walking around in it, being the real me, is still lonely. ...

I would say quite the opposite of lonely. I would say that it's the ultimate connection. Right now I'm talking to you, and I love you, and you've never met me, but you've created me "speaking" in answer to these questions that you would love to figure out. How powerful are you to have been able to do that?!? Infinitely powerful, that's how powerful! and I am only one tiny aspect of you which you have conjured up. I am you and you are me and we are altogether. Doesn't that feel good?

[IsaachElric]

the way i see it, you can't fly because the laws of physics are already manifested in your subjective reality

from the moment you come into existence and start observing the world you are already creating it.

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Nani

Hi!

I've been reading Steve's blog for a looong while now, and one thing I've never really thought about but am interested in now is subjective reality. It's really interesting but I don't understand it completely.

In Steve's case, if there is only one conciousness, his conciousness, then why does he speak and give advice to people as if their conciousness is all there is?

I don't know about Steve, but I tend to think consciousness is the basic building block of the universe. As in, the universe is conscious and everything in it is conscious to a particular degree. I don't think of consciousness as something you own (like my consciousness, your consciousness), though we might talk about it like that for the sake of discussion.

Imagine the world is like a living picture. You and I are standing there looking at this picture. I might say, "look at all the darkness and despair" and you might say, "look at all the light and bliss". These are two basic states of consciousness. The picture itself includes both states and everything in between. And the picture itself changes because we are looking at it, we are part of it.

Also, let's say you're playing a game of chess with another person. You truly believe and intend that you will win the game even though you've never played it before, and there is no hidden higher belief that you have about this, like the belief that you need lots of experience to win a game of chess. Then, under subjective reality...would you win?

What you are looking for here is the relationship between you and chess. In order to win the game, you would have to change you, not the game. Your intention would lead you to make this change, but it would not win the game for you.

And I don't understand to what extent I have power in my reality. If I'm looking for an accurate model, then doesn't that mean reality works a certain way and has its own rules, so I can't just create my own. If I truly, truly believe I can fly, or the laws of physics are wrong, then I can really fly and make up my own rules about physics?

I understand where you are coming from here. Reality does have it's own rules. Some of those are objective and apply to everyone. Some of them are subjective and apply to you personally. It is the subjective rules you are trying to discover. The more you understand how the rules apply to you, the more power you have to create your own reality. And it does mean you can bend some of the objective rules.

Let me ask you though, what do you think would be easier to do: make money out of thin air or go to work and get a paycheck? Fly like superman or take an airplane? It's not so much that you can't make money out of thin air or fly like superman, but is it worth the time and effort to discover how to do these things? You could spend your whole lifetime trying to find the answer without a solution.

I also don't get relationships with people in this kind of reality. I understand that the relationships are really your relationships with yourself (right?) but then, if everyone is really a part of me, then me is all there is, and isn't that lonely? I'm trying not to get my ego mixed up in this, but I find that with one conciousness and dream characters walking around in it, being the real me, is still lonely. ...

Sorry if these are silly questions. I want to understand this.

Think of you as a relationship between spirit and matter. The self isn't this solid thing... it is the connection between two things. It is hard to be lonely when you are a relationship.

[vapourmile]

Originally Posted by Nani

In Steve's case, if there is only one conciousness, his conciousness, then why does he speak and give advice to people as if their conciousness is all there is?

Because he's a hypocrite.