Church of Oprah Exposed: Your thoughts?

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by Maguru

If we have a life's purpose that we can awaken, where did it come from?
If we choose our life's purpose, there is nothing to awaken.

Tolle says that everyone has the same purpose and that purpose is "to awaken". Awakening to the spirit within, to Life, to Being, to God. It is awakening the part of each one of us that is Beyond Belief, beyond thought, beyond doctrine or concept but just Is.

You should give the webinar a try, it's free. I think they talk about purpose in chapter 8 or 9.

[Maguru]

Referring to any positives in scientology, my daughter was a member in Germany for four years. At the time she was vulnerable and they did help her. They supported her and helped her to deal with intense emotions. Many of the scientology workers were sincere in their beliefs. My daughter also learned techniques that she still uses today. Without a doubt there were positive experiences.

However, as she became stronger, she recognised the negative also. Manipulation being only one of them. She left the organisation which wasn't easy. In fact they still ring after two years attempting to reel her in. She was a good customer. It cost over $20,000.

My perception is there is good and bad in everyone including Oprah. Denial of this within ourselves and others, perpetuates itself whether it be within scientology, religion, science, new earth and whatever. It is simply life!

Originally Posted by yossarian

All the people that Jesus hung out with committed countless sins before, during, and after he hung out with them.

The point is that you don't get anywhere by condemning people for the wrong they've done.

Scientologists may have flaws which are obvious to you, but is resistance actually effective? Is shunning the members of the cult effective? Oprah presents an example with her behavior and I think her behavior is positive. She shows that you can be friendly with diverse people. It does not have to be a barrier.

Scientology may have a core of bad but it can be easily transmuted to positive. If we alienate them it won't happen, but if we include them and be their friend all of a sudden the Scientology that may have been bad magically turns into a positive force.

You see this kind of thing all the time - a set of beliefs or doctrine is very weak and malleable. People who are feeling a certain way can easily twist the words of anything to be either positive or negative.

Sure, all the stuff L Ron taught is extremely manipulative, but while I don't know a single Scientologist, I have no doubt that many within the organization have transmuted the parts around them to actually help the lives of people. Can you tell me honestly that _everyone_ in Scientology has negative motives and their actions come to negative results? I bet that even Scientology, a religion founded on wholly selfish and evil motives, has genuinely helped people.

The best way to help the victims of Scientology is to aid them in transmuting it. Tom Cruise has positive intentions, and through his friendship with Oprah he will no doubt learn of more positive methods with which he will slowly (and without even knowing that he's doing it) change the organization for the better.

It's a wonderful thing that Oprah has laid her gaze on such uplifting material. IMO it is evidence of the powerful resurgence that is happening in our society. So many people have received the message that Life is Beyond Belief - once people can feel their inner voice it doesn't matter what organization they are a part of. The good is amplified, the bad naturally falls away without struggle. This applies to we individuals, to families, to communities, to entire societies and to the whole world and the Earth itself. Wherever we stand is holy ground, and on it through accessing Life the good where we stand is amplified and the bad falls away. It doesn't matter if you're an SS Officer working for Hitler - by unlocking your awareness you instantly improve the world and dampen the damage that the SS does.

I'm glad that Oprah is friends with Tom Cruise because her Being itself will rub off on him, it will raise his consciousness, and then he will raise the consciousness of the Scientology organization furthering it's transmutation into a positive force.

The overcoming of evil is not done by knocking down towers. It's not done by storming the castle and guillotining the occupants - it is done without fanfare and it is done in a way such that barely anyone notices it happening. The castle still stands but it no longer houses hate and instead houses love. People look back 100 years and say "Wow, things were grim. What happened? Where was the turning point?" There is no turning point, every moment of every day the world is slowly changing to the positive. Every moment is another turning point. Love is viral, distributed, grass-roots. Love has no army, it just has an endless supply of secret agents who turn every bad thing into something good.

[jawillie]

Originally Posted by Maguru

My perception is there is good and bad in everyone including Oprah. Denial of this within ourselves and others, perpetuates itself whether it be within scientology, religion, science, new earth and whatever. It is simply life!

It's hard to have this conversation with you because you have not read his books, so you won't get what anyone is saying. (I am not judging, just stating a fact).


We all make "mistakes" in life... yes, even Oprah. We do that when we act out of ego or our painbody. So, I don't believe anyone here is putting Oprah on a pedestal.

If she raped and pillaged people tomorrow, I would think, 'Is that so?' and go on with my life.... still thankful for the webinars with Tolle because I benefitted from that.

So, aren't you being the very thing you seem not to like by NOT even checking it out? You are putting assumptions into something you don't even know anything about because you have not read the books or wached the webinars.

At the same time you want us to see she is not above doing wrong, why not look within yourself and see that she IS capable of DOING RIGHT???

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Tolle says that everyone has the same purpose and that purpose is "to awaken". Awakening to the spirit within, to Life, to Being, to God. It is awakening the part of each one of us that is Beyond Belief, beyond thought, beyond doctrine or concept but just Is.

You should give the webinar a try, it's free. I think they talk about purpose in chapter 8 or 9.

Exactly! That what Tolle says and he must be right, right?

How does he know we all have a purpose?

[jawillie]

Tolle is not the first to say that. He is not the only to say that. He is saying it one way.

This resonates as truth to a lot of people, why does that make you mad?

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by yossarian

All the people that Jesus hung out with committed countless sins before, during, and after he hung out with them.

The point is that you don't get anywhere by condemning people for the wrong they've done.

Scientologists may have flaws which are obvious to you, but is resistance actually effective? Is shunning the members of the cult effective? Oprah presents an example with her behavior and I think her behavior is positive. She shows that you can be friendly with diverse people. It does not have to be a barrier.

Scientology may have a core of bad but it can be easily transmuted to positive. If we alienate them it won't happen, but if we include them and be their friend all of a sudden the Scientology that may have been bad magically turns into a positive force.

You see this kind of thing all the time - a set of beliefs or doctrine is very weak and malleable. People who are feeling a certain way can easily twist the words of anything to be either positive or negative.

Sure, all the stuff L Ron taught is extremely manipulative, but while I don't know a single Scientologist, I have no doubt that many within the organization have transmuted the parts around them to actually help the lives of people. Can you tell me honestly that _everyone_ in Scientology has negative motives and their actions come to negative results? I bet that even Scientology, a religion founded on wholly selfish and evil motives, has genuinely helped people.

The best way to help the victims of Scientology is to aid them in transmuting it. Tom Cruise has positive intentions, and through his friendship with Oprah he will no doubt learn of more positive methods with which he will slowly (and without even knowing that he's doing it) change the organization for the better.

It's a wonderful thing that Oprah has laid her gaze on such uplifting material. IMO it is evidence of the powerful resurgence that is happening in our society. So many people have received the message that Life is Beyond Belief - once people can feel their inner voice it doesn't matter what organization they are a part of. The good is amplified, the bad naturally falls away without struggle. This applies to we individuals, to families, to communities, to entire societies and to the whole world and the Earth itself. Wherever we stand is holy ground, and on it through accessing Life the good where we stand is amplified and the bad falls away. It doesn't matter if you're an SS Officer working for Hitler - by unlocking your awareness you instantly improve the world and dampen the damage that the SS does.

I'm glad that Oprah is friends with Tom Cruise because her Being itself will rub off on him, it will raise his consciousness, and then he will raise the consciousness of the Scientology organization furthering it's transmutation into a positive force.

The overcoming of evil is not done by knocking down towers. It's not done by storming the castle and guillotining the occupants - it is done without fanfare and it is done in a way such that barely anyone notices it happening. The castle still stands but it no longer houses hate and instead houses love. People look back 100 years and say "Wow, things were grim. What happened? Where was the turning point?" There is no turning point, every moment of every day the world is slowly changing to the positive. Every moment is another turning point. Love is viral, distributed, grass-roots. Love has no army, it just has an endless supply of secret agents who turn every bad thing into something good.

Their core belief is they are the only way to become well. Read the post before this one. It cost his daughter 20,000 to get out and, even now, they're still trying to reel her back in. I've moved several times since they offered me a job as a missionary. I don't know how, but they found me and they're sending me DVD's and catalogues and they won't stop hounding me.

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by jawillie

It's hard to have this conversation with you because you have not read his books, so you won't get what anyone is saying. (I am not judging, just stating a fact).


We all make "mistakes" in life... yes, even Oprah. We do that when we act out of ego or our painbody. So, I don't believe anyone here is putting Oprah on a pedestal.

If she raped and pillaged people tomorrow, I would think, 'Is that so?' and go on with my life.... still thankful for the webinars with Tolle because I benefitted from that.

So, aren't you being the very thing you seem not to like by NOT even checking it out? You are putting assumptions into something you don't even know anything about because you have not read the books or wached the webinars.

At the same time you want us to see she is not above doing wrong, why not look within yourself and see that she IS capable of DOING RIGHT???

Oh dear, you seem upset. I feel like the lion who has been thrown to the christians

Err, your not judging, just stating facts that I have not read the books and have not watched the seminars appears very presumptious on your part.

How do you know these 'facts' concerning me are true?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by jawillie

Tolle is not the first to say that. He is not the only to say that. He is saying it one way.

This resonates as truth to a lot of people, why does that make you mad?

Jawillie, what are you referring to? Say what?

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by jeff3

By leading, not pushing.

Self help junkies are particularly susceptible to this sort of thing because their brains are already in "search mode" and the most common meme being sold is the "this is the answer to all your problems" meme.The success of The Secret validates that idea. Christianity is probably the most well crafted and well evolved bundle of memes being sold today, the million dollar question is......Is it really such a bad thing if it gives meaning and purpose to peoples lives?

But who qualifies to be leader? If the leading is leading others to draw their own conclusion and to choose for themselves who they wish to be and are not moulded into any form of mini-me, and each led to choose for themselves their own life's purpose (if they even want one) and guided to decide their own life meaning, then I will follow.

[jawillie]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Oh dear, you seem upset. I feel like the lion who has been thrown to the christians

Err, your not judging, just stating facts that I have not read the books and have not watched the seminars appears very presumptious on your part.

How do you know these 'facts' concerning me are true?

I am not mad at all, actually, I am just conversing with you.

I have seen several people ask if you have read the book and you have not replied, so I assumed you haven't. You are right, that is presumptious.

But isn't it also presumptious of people here to say people who are reading Tolle or watching Eckhart are "brainwashed idiots?" ???? It has been said in this thread on more than one occasion.

I am not as eloquent or as far along on the awakened path as others, so yes, my ego will come out blaring still.

No one can "win" this kind of a conversation.

You see your truths through your filters and I see mine.

Think of me as a brainwashed idiot. Think of me as sad and pathetic because I am reading a book that Oprah is reading. That's truly okay.

Next time I will walk away from this type of conversation WITHOUT getting all emotionally charged up so I thank you for the practice!

[jawillie]

Originally Posted by Maguru

But who qualifies to be leader? If the leading is leading others to draw their own conclusion and to choose for themselves who they wish to be and are not moulded into any form of mini-me, and each led to choose for themselves their own life's purpose (if they even want one) and guided to decide their own life meaning, then I will follow.

That's exactly the message I get out of Power of Now and ANE.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by krisking911

Yes, Ive seen the video myself. And that really opened my eyes to let me know that "WE" as the Consciously aware, need to band together in unity and help bring the light to everyone. Eckhart Tolle is a light bringer....and Oprah was aware of it and felt what he was saying...(I do as well).

But as you seen in the video, there are alot of ppl "lost". And when i say lost, i mean are not fully aware or awakened that God or (universe, prime force, allah, ect) is not a belief. It is aninner feeling. You know when something doesnt resonate with your soul. Its just ppl are willing to go with the majority, even though it clearly doesnt make sense. It is so important for all of us (the minority)that have some sort of clarity of the truth, to get this out to the majority. That video just says to me that it'll be a "fight" so to speak. Bcus their not giving in at all. But niether am I...!

Hallelujah! Well said,i totally agree!

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by Maguru

But who qualifies to be leader? If the leading is leading others to draw their own conclusion and to choose for themselves who they wish to be and are not moulded into any form of mini-me, and each led to choose for themselves their own life's purpose (if they even want one) and guided to decide their own life meaning, then I will follow.

The irony is that you are basically saying exactly what Tolle says.

Tolle is widely recognized because the techniques he presents have been found to be immensely useful by many people. He isn't pushing any kind of belief system whatsoever, and in fact constantly says that he is not an authority and should not be trusted, but that rather everyone should try stuff out and see what works.

It's a very positive message. Oprah has not always had the most positive people on her show, but Oprah lives and learns like all of us. Eckhart is no doubt a new high for Oprah's show.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Although I agree with the concept Oprah is promoting, I also believe she can be dangerous.

Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter whether or not it is true. Both Oprah and Tolle make statements as facts, For example they speak of a life's purpose. Hmm... and who says we have a life's purpose? Is that not just a belief? Where did that belief originate?

This one belief alone is controlling the masses. Is this any different to religion? I wonder who are the 'brainwashed idiots' around here?

I dont believe there can be such a thing as brainwashing the truth to the world. Because doesnt brainwashing MEAN you are filling their heads with crap? And if the truth is real,and good,and can help the world,why would it be a bad thing to do?

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

I worked at a bookstore for a while and this woman came in looking for some book called The Secret. It was hard to find because there are a lot of books with the word "secret" in the title. We had one copy mixed in with all the other New Age books.

Then Oprah talked about this book on her show and we all knew what book they were talking about after that... they were being sold faster than the publisher could print them.

That's a sad commentary on the American public. A television talk show host has to invoke you to read something.

Yeah thats bad,when you cant even refer a book to someone cuz they say "well i've never heard of it,it must not be good". I have a co worker who fell under the spell of "the secret" yet when she tried to read Eckhart Tolle she got confused and gave up. Thats the mentality of most people,it has to be a quick fix and magical in order to appeal to them.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I think they certainly are advocating a 'lifes purpose' as a belief. Isn't finding your 'lifes purpose', the purpose of the Tolle/Oprah webinar? Are they not advocating that we all have a purpose in this life?

Who says so? Oprah does! I wonder how many people are now 'emotionally' brainwashed into believing they have a life's purpose?

Why would some people have a life purpose and others not? Obviously everyone has one. Erin does readings to help people find theirs,maybe you should book one

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Maguru

My point is that Oprah believes she has a life's purpose. I do not doubt she believes it. The spiritual message being advocated by Oprah is to 'awaken to your life's purpose'. It is on the front cover of a New Earth, right?

If we have a life's purpose that we can awaken, where did it come from?
If we choose our life's purpose, there is nothing to awaken.

Again, this is where I get the idea that you have still not read the book. "Awakening," the way Tolle uses the word in A New Earth, refers to being present in the moment -- that's what he calls the primary life purpose of humans. You are right, it is his belief, and maybe Oprah buys into that, but neither of them have ever announced that you must believe anything they say is true. In fact, Tolle has specifically instructed people NOT to buy blindly into anything he says.

And perhaps Oprah also has as secondary life's purpose -- something about making a difference in the world, but where do you get the idea that an individual's declaring her purpose in life is brainwashing? That's the idea I find so funny. That someone who is committed to making a positive difference in the world and has demonstrated that commitment repeatedly and dramatically -- would be "controlling the masses." "Inspiring" the masses, maybe -- but controlling?

On a personal note, Angela, in previous discussions concerning Oprah, you suggested that I look at myself and I did. I openly admitted that I was feeling and behaving like a woman scorned. Might I suggest you try to see yourself in your response? Who the hell are you being?

Well, thank you for the invitation! What do you see me being, that has you so bugged? You seem to be getting pretty reactive about what I'm saying. Why is that? What are you seeing that I'm not seeing?

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Maguru

My point is that Oprah believes she has a life's purpose. I do not doubt she believes it. The spiritual message being advocated by Oprah is to 'awaken to your life's purpose'. It is on the front cover of a New Earth, right?

If we have a life's purpose that we can awaken, where did it come from?
If we choose our life's purpose, there is nothing to awaken.

We are all born with gifts. Our purpose usually (as far as i know) deals with whatever gift you were born with. Or whatever youre passionate about,or good at. All the same thing,really. And awakening means to come out of our unconscious trance and make ourselves live the life we were born to live. For example,someone working at a fast food resteraunt,miserable,just going through the motions,should "awaken" and realize that she has a talent for,say,writing. So maybe her purpose is to be a writer. See?